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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Akins Ruling released (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/9/2007 10:13:32 AM EDT
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Here's a link to the ruling: www.atf.gov/alcohol/info/revrule/rules/atfruling_2006-2.pdf |
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"A shooter pulls the trigger which causes the firearm to discharge. As the firearm moves rearward in the composite stock, the shooter’s trigger finger contacts the stock. The trigger mechanically resets, and the device, which has a coiled spring located forward of the firearm receiver, is compressed. Energy from this spring subsequently drives the firearm forward into its normal firing position and, in turn, causes the trigger to contact the shooter’s trigger finger." Bump firing is now an illegal machinegun. Because I was born in 1987, after the '86 ban, I must dispose of my right index finger. For those of you born before '86, consider yourselves lucky. The rest of us must either cut off our fingers or go to federal prison. Or since our fingers are just a part of the body, maybe WE are machineguns. In which case there's only 1 way out...  ETA: doesn't each time "the trigger contacts the shooter's trigger finger" a separate "pull of the trigger" occurs????? |
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And here's where you send that EVIL spring. www.atf.gov/alcohol/info/revrule/rules/2006-2_q_and_a.pdf |
THis was just posted over at subguns. I don't think Tom has had a chance to update the Akins website... Funny thing: Even withthe spring removed, an AA equipped 10/22 with a light enough trigger will still fire rapidly if the rifle is aimed down using gravity instead of the spring. Lets see if the ATF has the balls to ban GRAVITY! Also, I think it would be fun to start sending springs to ATF. Leaf springs, coil springs, torsion springs, in all sizes from watch springs to truck springs... 
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And I bet you could get some pretty real-looking fingers, toes, etc from a party/halloween store and send those in with the springs. |
That's what got me - what about the poor bastages who sold theirs to some guy at the gun show? Not like anyone was expected to take the personal info of someone buying a stock. |
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I saw at a gunshow a couple weeks ago a device that was a spade grip hooked up to some contraption that I think could be hooked to a 1919 to simulate auto fire. It worked on the same principle as this device which is basically bump fire the weapon. He had his ATF ruling letter taped to the table next to it. Has anyone ever seen what I'm talking about? And I wonder if it's on the ATF radar since it's not Bowers and Co. |
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-- Update 1/9/07-- firefaster.com/ ATF has published a new ruling in .pdf format here: http://www.atf.gov/alcohol/info/revrule/rules/atfruling_2006-2.pdf ATF has also published a basic Compliance Plan in .pdf format here: http://www.atf.gov/alcohol/info/revrule/rules/2006-2_q_and_a.pdf Akins Group Inc. will publish a complete Compliance Plan here upon written receipt of answers to a number of outstanding questions. It is our belief that those questions are important for a complete Plan, but that the answers will have no immediate impact on either Akins Group Inc. or any of our customers who are stateside and have immediate access to their devices. For those customers who have immediate access to their devices, we recommend sending the spring to ATF via Certified US Mail, return receipt requested so you have proof of mailing if it's lost. When we have a complete Compliance Plan to publish, we will be posting it here along with the answers we receive to our questions, as well as instructions on how to safely remove the spring. We will also be contacting our customers directly with that information. There are already people who are short-sighted enough to be complaining about the compliance plan consisting of surrendering the spring. To put things in perspective, the initial proposal from ATF was to surrender the entire unit. Individuals who think they're cute by proposing that people sabotage this compliance process by sending piles of springs in to ATF aren't doing anyone any favors. With this method of compliance, if Akins Group Inc. prevails, we can get our customers running again inexpensively and without months of delays. For people who don't understand the law, ATF's position is that this device is a "collection of parts" which together comprise a machine gun conversion device. This solution allows the removal and surrender of a key part, the spring, at which point ATF's position is that the remaining parts no longer constitute a "collection of parts" which comprise a machine gun. This is a reasonable solution to the compliance problem, and was negotiated at significant expense to protect Akins Group Inc. and our customers from enforcement action while helping protect our inventory and our customers' property. |
I really like the idea of thousands of people mailing springs to the BATFE, but this "rat out other people" form has given me an idea... There must be all kinds of people that could be reported with this form. Ted Kennedy, Hillary, the head of the BATFE, etc... 
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Pissing off the ATF sounds like a great idea  Just send the spring in and lets see where it goes from there. |
I would want my money back, false advertising. The thing is worthless without the spring. |
No false advertising and no liability by Akins either. When it was sold it was legal. Akins stopped selling as soon as they were notified by ATF of the new ruling. If they'd continued to sell then that would have been a very different story. Fortunately the folks who bought them are so happy with the product that rather than demanding their money back, they're offering contributions to a legal defense fund. And, as has been pointed out, the device does work w/o the spring if the shooter holds the gun just right. |
I doubt there is any of "your money" left over to pay lawyers. You need to account for both the variable costs of production and the fact that all the fixed costs were spread over a relatively small number of units produced. I figure Akins Group is lucky if they broke even and I strongly suspect they haven't. You should have known you were taking a risk buying into something on the "bleeding edge" of legality. If you didn't realize this then consider this your lesson. Joe |
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What a terrible thing to happen...to have your hopes and dreams crushed by the "Evil BATF Empire". So, doesn't the TAC Trigger somewhat do the same thing? Were the makers harrassed by the BATF ? And what about rubberbands, are they going to outlaw rubberbands as well? |
Of course! You might use that rubberband like a shoestring! |
What if they decide that your not adding a rubber band to your AR, but instead you are adding an AR to your rubber band? I see very little real differance between a rubber band & an AR and a selector and an M14 receiver. |
| I hope that this issue gets resolved, because if ' single function of the trigger ' takes on the definition that it is presently being redefined to mean, not only will things such as the Tac Trigger become illegal, also all semi autos will be illegal by virtue of the fact that you can dump a magazine by bump firing. |
I don't know exactly where you are going with that but your last statement seems a little off. Look at the post right after yours---that guy knows where it's at. |
No it is not. Bumpfiring is a technique. A technique cannot be an object (machinegun). A device that facilitates bumpfiring is a machinegun under federal law.
No. There is only one trigger pull, and as long as the trigger finger remains in the pulled position, the weapon keeps firing.
I'm not a fan of NFA rules or the ATF, but this ruling appears to be legally correct. |
I don't think that bumpfiring as a technique could cause that result. Semi autos are not designed to fire that way - bumpfiring just takes advantage of physics and the mechanics of the weapon. The AA was designed to facilitate bumpfiring. |
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Counsel for Akins Group Inc. has requested BATFE reconsider their reclassification. A copy of that request and an explanation of our position is in .pdf format here: www.firefaster.com/Reconsideration.pdf. Call to Action! Here is a short position statement followed by a sample letter to Acting Director Sullivan. Please print out the letter and sign it, or write your own polite letter and send it to Acting Director Sullivan at the address provided inside. This is an important step; please pass the word. Ask your family and friends to sign, print copies and get them signed when you go to the range, ask anyone who might be interested. Ask them to help spread the word and get others involved. Time is of the essence as the Request for Reconsideration is already submitted. You can mail multiple letters in one envelope, it's important to get a significant number of letters from real people with names and addresses. : www.firefaster.com/CalltoAction.doc As of 2/8/07 a mailing has gone out to everyone on our customer list advising of the classification change and the compliance plan details. |
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This needs a post in GD for wider dissemination... GD thread here: www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=545543 Dropped off page one in a heartbeat. Can I get a bump or maybe some well thought out letters that others may use instead of the AGI form letter? |
My trigger finger is designed to facilitate bump firing. So is my 2 lb. Jard trigger. 
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The ATF is a corrupt agency. This is no different than buying a plasma TV, and then a week later, the government saying, "you know what, that tv that was legal last week is NOW illegal...turn it in, and oh yeah we won't compensate you for it either". Sounds fair, huh? Action should be taken, and nobody in a free society should have to put up with this crap. What part of "shall not be infringed" is unclear? |
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Here's the greatest part: go to the range in boots or sneakers with a semi-auto weapon, and you are in possession of an illegal machinegun. Shoelace + semiauto = bumpfiring aid = mg. It is a "combination of parts" that can be "readily restored" into a mg as defined by the AA ruling. ETA: Also, IIRC, the ATF ruled that a shoelace used as a bump-aid was a mg as well. We all have a "combination of parts!" Oh teh noes!!!!! |
Makes me think that Akins Group already has an idea to make the stock work in another configuration..... Maybe some sort of vertical foregrip that acts like a pump shotgun..... Could be interesting |
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The Akins Website has been updated --Update 4/12/07-- To all Akins Accelerator™ customers and others who have weighed in to ATF and their federal officials on the Akins issue: Akins Group Inc. needs to compile a list of US Senators and Congressmen who have been contacted on the Akins Group Inc. issue and ATF’s Ruling 2006-2. If you have written, called or faxed your US Senator(s) or Congressman, please call or email Akins Group Inc. and let us know whom you contacted, any response or lack thereof you have received and any action they have proposed. This will help us in organizing our efforts and ensure that we can coordinate our efforts through our advocates on the Hill. If you have the ability to scan or fax your letter(s) and any response(s) you have received, those documents would be of use to us and we would appreciate copies. If you have already notified Akins Group Inc. and/or provided documents, we greatly appreciate your efforts and already have your assistance on file. Please email dconway@removethisspamblockoryourmessagewillbouncefirefaster.com (remove the obvious) or call us at 503-359-1359 with the information at your earliest convenience. Thank you again for your continued support, Akins Group Inc. |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Akins Ruling released (Page 1 of 2)
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