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Posted: 2/5/2011 5:23:26 AM EDT
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Mods - I hope this is okay, this a true peice of history.
A very historic Gas Trap Garand. I've known Frank for years dating back to when we both had FFLs and were doing gun shows together. He always had a knack for coming across some really interesting "stuff." I saw this rifle at Nation's a while back when I walked by Frank's table and there it was! He let me field strip it and look it all over, what a treat to hold and examine a real gas trap. Nation's is coming up again next week an maybe it will be there again and I can see it before it gets sold. FWIW - Even though I know Frank, I have no interests whatsoever in the sale of this rifle. Gas Trap |
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Fascinating info on a wonderful rifle. Funny, I read the part that said "Should somebody be the winning bidder I will personally deliver the rifle. It is much to valuable to risk shipping." I thought "Wow," and paged up to see that the guy is probably 30 minutes from me.  |
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For a weapon you expect to get more than 32K out of (hasn't met his reserve at that price), I find his pictures lacking. He should have detailed closeup pictures from a pro with good equipment. I also wonder why he would white out the name of the vet. It was after all posted in the news paper article? It is a very nice gas trap though.
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For a weapon you expect to get more than 32K out of (hasn't met his reserve at that price), I find his pictures lacking. He should have detailed closeup pictures from a pro with good equipment. I also wonder why he would white out the name of the vet. It was after all posted in the news paper article? It is a very nice gas trap though. The pictures are fine. Anyone interested in actually buying it, knows what it is, and owns the book referenced in the description. |
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How many legit gas traps are still in circulation? I'm guessing the serious Garand collectors know each and every one. Fascinating piece. You don't get provenance that good very often. I'll go out on a limb here and predict low six figures. There are probably not a dozen original gas traps out there. Back when the economy was good, and gun price were up a several years ago - that would be an easy $65K rifle. Today, I don't expect it to go much over $40K. |
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Mods - I hope this is okay, this a true peice of history. A very historic Gas Trap Garand. I've known Frank for years dating back to when we both had FFLs and were doing gun shows together. He always had a knack for coming across some really interesting "stuff." I saw this rifle at Nation's a while back when I walked by Frank's table and there it was! He let me field strip it and look it all over, what a treat to hold and examine a real gas trap. Nation's is coming up again next week an maybe it will be there again and I can see it before it gets sold. FWIW - Even though I know Frank, I have no interests whatsoever in the sale of this rifle. Gas Trap URL is blocked for me Chief! 
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Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is so special about a "Gas Trap Garand"? I did a Google search and couldn't find a lot about them. The original M1 Garand design. To Garand collectors, what an original Shelby Cobra is to car guys to some extent. The cars can be rebuilt/restored, but if there If there were only 5 original engines in the world, the shelby with the original engine would be BIG BUCKS. With the Gas Trap M1s, all the parts are out there to build them, but there are basically NO original barrels to be found. 80% of the selling price of a Gas Trap M1 is the barrel alone. |
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Pics would be nice. I already drooled on your room pics. ANd the nice vid of the 308 F/A AR you posted in the retro forum . Quoted:
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ADCO doesnt need one for the pattern room? What makes you think I don't already have one? Mine is a restore/put together, but all the real parts are there with the exception of the barre, which is one of the (very few)repros Gene Barnett made about 15yrs ago. I was glad to see the seller on GB has a -1 Op Rod on his too. I'd love one of the early slanted welded rods, but those are as rare as original barrels. I also noticed the trigger housing group is newer than expected on a gas trap. 
housing is a early with no dash 
cover is stamped, but faint. Mine is just a reassembly, but its an honest example of Gas Trap for my collection. |
| That's cool bigbore! And the best part about your rifle is you wouldn't (or I wouldn't anyway) feel bad about taking it to the range and put a clip thru it every 2 or 3 yrs. I can't imagine anyone buying the rifle in the o-p would dream of actually shooting it. |
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Wow you really do have everything!!!. I have a part I want to give ya but your IMs are blocked. It needs a good home. Quoted: Quoted: Pics would be nice. I already drooled on your room pics. ANd the nice vid of the 308 F/A AR you posted in the retro forum . Quoted: Quoted: ADCO doesnt need one for the pattern room? What makes you think I don't already have one? Mine is a restore/put together, but all the real parts are there with the exception of the barre, which is one of the (very few)repros Gene Barnett made about 15yrs ago. I was glad to see the seller on GB has a -1 Op Rod on his too. I'd love one of the early slanted welded rods, but those are as rare as original barrels. I also noticed the trigger housing group is newer than expected on a gas trap. http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/trap1.jpg http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/trap2.jpg http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/trap3.jpg housing is a early with no dash http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/trap4.jpg cover is stamped, but faint. Mine is just a reassembly, but its an honest example of Gas Trap for my collection. |
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Wow you really do have everything!!!. I have a part I want to give ya but your IMs are blocked. It needs a good home. email is the way to get a hold of me [email protected] amazing what one little piece can mean. 
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There is a five page thread on this auction on the CMP forums. The consensus of the experts is that the story is total BS, but the rifle appears to be legit. What is their reasoning? Most all Gas traps were fazed out/converted prior to WWII. The only really documented use of Gas Traps in WWII is on Wake Island. By the time the US was in Europe, they were all gas port guns. Add to that the logistics of a GI "stealing" his M1 and bringing it home, the story gets muddy. |
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Not to mention the condition of the rifle. No way that thing survived being used by The Lost Battalion in the Ardenne. Much less dragged across Europe befor then...
He may have sent/brought it home from Central America...but even that part of the story is suspect as the unit history of the veterans unit conflicts with much of the story. Who's lieing? The Veteran, or the guy looking to make a cool 50 large on his rifle? You decide. |
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Flush nuts predate the Lockbar. The only way to adjust the sight is with a tool that loosens that nut you see in the pic above. Nice hunh? Lets carry a tool around in case we need to make a sight adjustment during combat... Then, gues what happens if the nut gets loose and falls off? The rear sight falls off too!
The Lockbar was a way to more easily loosen the sights for adjustment, while still keeping them locked down otherwise so the rigors of combat, or more likely in the eyes of the Army, the average low IQ Joe's didnt screw them up! |
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Email sent Quoted: Quoted: Wow you really do have everything!!!. I have a part I want to give ya but your IMs are blocked. It needs a good home. email is the way to get a hold of me [email protected] amazing what one little piece can mean. http://www.adcofirearms.com/junkpics/trap.jpg |
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Should the rifle have lock bar sights? I was wondering the same thing. no, the flush nut rear sight is correct. Flush nut: http://www.adcofirearms.com/m1pics/flush_nut_1.jpg do u need a son?? hell do u need a daughter |
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