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Posted: 11/20/2009 1:33:34 PM EDT
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How does the 7.62x25 compare to the M1 Carbine's .30 caliber round?
I keep hearing some much about the ballistic for the TT33 round and how powerful it is, yet there was always the talk that the M1's .30 caliber was way under powered. Based on the casing, the .30 carbine seems like it would hold the same if not more. Wasn't able to find any 7.62x25 reloading information. Anyone care to shed some light on this for me? Is there really much more powder in that cartridge or is it something else? |
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I do not have any hard ballistic data on this one either, but I think the differing reputations are due more to the application of the round than actual ballistic performance.
The .30 cal carbine was issued with a longarm and although intended as a pistol replacement was therefore (unfairly) compared in performance to other longarms. From this came its reputation. It is a very powerful pistol round. The 7.62x25 was issued with pistols and the PPsh SMGs. It was never compared directly to rifle rounds, as the .30 carbine was. I expect the 7.62x25 would be just a prone to pass through targets without expanding or transferring much energy. |
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How does the 7.62x25 compare to the M1 Carbine's .30 caliber round? I keep hearing some much about the ballistic for the TT33 round and how powerful it is, yet there was always the talk that the M1's .30 caliber was way under powered. Based on the casing, the .30 carbine seems like it would hold the same if not more. Wasn't able to find any 7.62x25 reloading information. Anyone care to shed some light on this for me? Is there really much more powder in that cartridge or is it something else? The 7.62x25 shoots an 85 gr bullets roughly at 1,400 fps. The M1 .30 Carbine shoots 110 gr at 2,200 fps. One is a rifle. One is a handgun. They really don't belong in the same sentence. Because its a "narrow" .30 caliber bullet going 1,400-1,500 fps from a handgun it'll zip through some kevlar bullet proof vests. This is where the hysteria comes into the discussion. Its a zippy little sucker. Its an even better submachinegun cartridge as in the Ppsh41 with a 75 rd drum and full auto. Its gotta be one of the better alley fighting smg's. Been a few found and used in Iraq (a few thousand brand new ones). As far as "cop killer" bullets..... The 7.62x25mm gets thrown in this category due to its vest penetrating characteristics. But ALL normal, average bottleneck rifle cartridges like the .30-30 Winchester from 1894 will do the same thing and do it better. Does that mean they are ALL "cop killer" bullets? Yep. Every single one. This is a fact of life that the unwashed masses need to get over. As if a bullet proof vest was the end-all for cops. So raise your point-of-aim 12 inches for a head shot. What good did that bullet proof vest do for ya? This simple fact of life is completely washed over, with great deliberation, by the libtards who cackle on and on about "cop killer" bullets. They're all cop killer bullets. Larger diameter handgun bullets, even going the same speed, can't penetrate like the 7.62x25. And this is also why the FN 5.7mm is being demonized by the libtards. Think of this issue as a foot-in-the-door for them to ban or heavily regulate a particular handgun ammunition. Extrapolate the lead ammo ban around the California condor preserve. The libtards, ever plotting, are now trying to get lead ammunition banned in ARIZONA because carrion being eaten by CALIFORNIA condors is killing the f'ing birds. Earlier this year more traditional heads prevailed when the libtards tried to get ALL OF CALIFORNIA banned as "historic condor habitate" therefore qualifiying it under the law to ban lead ammunition. Behold the mindset of thy enemy of mankind. This illustrates the process of the nazi mentality. Know it. Understand it. Kill it. Dutch |
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