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8/18/2009 11:59:06 AM EDT
ok so i recently got a 8mm mauser
only 175$
german k98k
1943
got out to the range today thinking
ok one more surplus rifle
got that first round off and was like
dam this is nice.....
5 shots lessthan 1" grouping at 50 yards ok time to move out more
5 shots at 100 yards 4 in
ok thats dam good for an "antique"
8/18/2009 1:19:54 PM EDT
[#1]
Congrats.  What ammo were you using?  I used 150gr Romanian suplus and was barely hitting the top of the target at 50 or 100 yards.  Ordered a taller front sight post from Midway but haven't used it yet.

Is it safe to use S&B 8x57 JS in a WWII K98?
8/18/2009 2:56:40 PM EDT
[#2]
It's safe to use S&B in any 8mm Mauser made or rebarreled after 1905.  so YES  (assuming good condition, proper headspace etc)

The Older J round is like the us M1903 (30-03) very uncommon in real life.
8/18/2009 4:39:48 PM EDT
[#3]
i was using pmc 170 grain
8mm mauser
I have some roamy ammo on the way
but i like the pmc ammo i need to get a few more boxes
and the ww2 mauser uses the newer js round
8/18/2009 6:22:02 PM EDT
[#4]
Please post a follow-up on how you do with the Romanian.  I had heard that it shoots high because it's a light bullet for 8mm.  Since I ordered two crates of the stuff from AIM, I'm going to have to learn to live with it.  I also plan on trying the 196gr rounds from S&B and Prvi Partizan.

My K98 RC was made in 1945.
8/18/2009 6:30:05 PM EDT
[#5]
i have 150 rounds of older stuff comming
and a can of roamy coming...
will do a post on both
and when i get my gear i will post my reloads
8/20/2009 2:07:46 PM EDT
[#6]
I've got a Yugo M48 8mm and shoot the 198gr Yugo surplus ammo.  It's a great shooter and very accurate with the 198gr bullets.  Bought the rifle for $70 shipped and 3k rounds of ammo for $165 shipped.

8/20/2009 2:28:51 PM EDT
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I've got a Yugo M48 8mm and shoot the 198gr Yugo surplus ammo.  It's a great shooter and very accurate with the 198gr bullets.  Bought the rifle for $70 shipped and 3k rounds of ammo for $165 shipped.



Is your Yugo ammo the 1950's variety that came packed in 900 round tins? If so, I still have about 500 rounds left of this stuff. I get about 50% misfires from this ammunition, with all three of my rifles.

8/20/2009 4:18:11 PM EDT
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I've got a Yugo M48 8mm and shoot the 198gr Yugo surplus ammo.  It's a great shooter and very accurate with the 198gr bullets.  Bought the rifle for $70 shipped and 3k rounds of ammo for $165 shipped.



Is your Yugo ammo the 1950's variety that came packed in 900 round tins? If so, I still have about 500 rounds left of this stuff. I get about 50% misfires from this ammunition, with all three of my rifles.



Yes it's the 1950 vintage ammo.  I have never had a misfire on my Yugo, but my old Turk 8mm did.  Buy a heavier striker spring if you haven't already.  I replaced my Turks with a 24lb spring and the misfires went away.  If that doesn't cure it then you may have a headspace issue, excessive headspace and you'll get occasional light primer strikes.

Edit:  A couple buddies and I had bought 4 Turk mausers from the same distributor.  Only 1 out of the 4 never had a misfire, the other 3 had either weak springs or excessive headspacing.  Bought 2 Yugo M48's, both worked perfectly and zero misfires.
8/20/2009 4:43:01 PM EDT
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I've got a Yugo M48 8mm and shoot the 198gr Yugo surplus ammo.  It's a great shooter and very accurate with the 198gr bullets.  Bought the rifle for $70 shipped and 3k rounds of ammo for $165 shipped.



Is your Yugo ammo the 1950's variety that came packed in 900 round tins? If so, I still have about 500 rounds left of this stuff. I get about 50% misfires from this ammunition, with all three of my rifles.



Yes it's the 1950 vintage ammo.  I have never had a misfire on my Yugo, but my old Turk 8mm did.  Buy a heavier striker spring if you haven't already.  I replaced my Turks with a 24lb spring and the misfires went away.  If that doesn't cure it then you may have a headspace issue, excessive headspace and you'll get occasional light primer strikes.


Thanks! I'll get heavier springs. My rifles are indeed Turkish Mausers. Hopefully, that will clear up the problem. I would like to add that I also have two cases of Romanian surplus made in the 1970's, beautiful, bright and shiny, that fires every time out of my rifes.

8/20/2009 6:26:41 PM EDT
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I've got a Yugo M48 8mm and shoot the 198gr Yugo surplus ammo.  It's a great shooter and very accurate with the 198gr bullets.  Bought the rifle for $70 shipped and 3k rounds of ammo for $165 shipped.



Is your Yugo ammo the 1950's variety that came packed in 900 round tins? If so, I still have about 500 rounds left of this stuff. I get about 50% misfires from this ammunition, with all three of my rifles.



Yes it's the 1950 vintage ammo.  I have never had a misfire on my Yugo, but my old Turk 8mm did.  Buy a heavier striker spring if you haven't already.  I replaced my Turks with a 24lb spring and the misfires went away.  If that doesn't cure it then you may have a headspace issue, excessive headspace and you'll get occasional light primer strikes.



Thanks! I'll get heavier springs. My rifles are indeed Turkish Mausers. Hopefully, that will clear up the problem. I would like to add that I also have two cases of Romanian surplus made in the 1970's, beautiful, bright and shiny, that fires every time out of my rifes.



The Yugo ammo has very hard primers unlike the Romainian which explains why it works better for you.  If the spring doesn't work you're going to need to fix the headspacing.  We took the bolt out of the one good Turk and swapped it around to the others and all of them fired without any misfires using that bolt.  After checking the headspacing on the bolts that didn't work we found the bolts were worn (I'm guessing your bolt serial number doesn't match your receivers, none of ours did either).  You can to weld up the lugs and refit it or try to find another bolt but that could get expensive.  

We only paid $50 apiece for the Turks so it was a cheap gamble when we got em.


8/23/2009 4:32:56 PM EDT
[#11]
update finaly got pics.......



DONT KNOCK MY MOSIN POUCH.....
im cheep and havent got a german one yet
8/24/2009 7:04:12 AM EDT
[#12]
There are a few things that could be causing or at least contributing to the misfires posted here.  Also it is just plain good sense to go and order quality Go, NoGo, and Field headspace gauges from Brownell's, Midway, or somewhere, when dealing with mismatched milsurps.

50% misfires in 3 different rifles kind of points to the ammo, but it could just be coincidental.

The cruder the parts the more troubles or at least bigger troubles than nice fitting parts.  The turks did what they had to do to keep these guns running and they did use them for decades.  Crude turk bolt parts may have been put in nice German, Czech, or Belgium made guns after the fact.  

The cocking piece needs to move freely and smoothly in the bolt sleeve.  Either of these two parts could be slowing the firing pin.

The firing pin diameter(collar, spring, and firing pin itself) may not have enough clearance in the bolt bore.  The bolt bore itself may have those issues.

There also could be corrosion, or gunked up grease/cosmoline in any of these areas slowing the firing pin.

Weak springs

Insufficient firing pin protrusion.  This may be a bad pin or again blockage due to corrosion, grease, dirt, or cosmoline.  A good rule of thumb, easily measured is the firing pin should protrude the thickness of a dime, through the bolt face when fired.
8/24/2009 7:30:40 AM EDT
[#13]
The Yugo ammo  likes to misfire/take double strikes to fire in non -Yugo rifles. ( As others have said )

Here are two of my 8mm.



8/24/2009 12:33:59 PM EDT
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The Yugo ammo  likes to misfire/take double strikes to fire in non -Yugo rifles. ( As others have said )

Here are two of my 8mm.

http://www.lavasseur.net/PII/8mmgoodness.jpg



What is the make and model of the top rifle?
8/24/2009 12:49:45 PM EDT
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The Yugo ammo  likes to misfire/take double strikes to fire in non -Yugo rifles. ( As others have said )

Here are two of my 8mm.

http://www.lavasseur.net/PII/8mmgoodness.jpg



What is the make and model of the top rifle?


  It's an FN-49 made for Egypt by Fabrique Nationale in Belgium. It's a great rifle but it was pretty much obsolete the day it was made. The magazine is not detachable for practical use. It shoots great , It is very much like an M1 Garand to shoot. This one is 8mm but they made them in 30-06 and 7x57 as well.

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