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11/25/2006 9:26:47 PM EDT
I know that there are restrictions on what modifications you can do to a firearm acquired through a C&R license, but I'm not sure what is and isn't OK.  For instance, could I legally buy an SKS and put an aftermarket synthetic stock on it?  I remember reading about modifications that "change a firearm from the original military configuration" being illegal for C&R firearms.  
If somebody can point me in the right direction for information on what changes can legally be made to C&R firearms I would appreciate it.
11/25/2006 9:29:55 PM EDT
[#1]
The restrictions on changing firearms from their "original military configuration" only apply to guns that are less than 50 years old.

If the receiver of the gun is more than 50 years old, you can do whatever you want with it.
11/25/2006 9:45:43 PM EDT
[#2]
That 922(r) complicates things a bit.

Dennis Jenkins



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I know that there are restrictions on what modifications you can do to a firearm acquired through a C&R license, but I'm not sure what is and isn't OK.  For instance, could I legally buy an SKS and put an aftermarket synthetic stock on it?  I remember reading about modifications that "change a firearm from the original military configuration" being illegal for C&R firearms.  
If somebody can point me in the right direction for information on what changes can legally be made to C&R firearms I would appreciate it.
11/25/2006 10:05:24 PM EDT
[#3]

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That 922(r) complicates things a bit.

Dennis Jenkins




Yes, it does... hence my line of questioning.  So would putting a synthetic stock on an SKS purchased through a C&R be legal?  How about a 9mm barrel for a CZ52?  Don't some of these rules change if you purchased the gun using your C&R license vs. if you purchased the gun through an FFL 01?
11/25/2006 11:14:15 PM EDT
[#4]
Good question...Also, how about adding an aftermarket folding stock?
11/26/2006 7:40:07 AM EDT
[#5]
I don't believe there are any restrictions on what you can do to a C&R gun (at least none that are any different from any other gun.  There are restrictions on what you can do if you want it to remain a C&R gun, but I only care about the C&R status of a gun in order to aquire it with my C&R;  after that, I don't care if its C&R or not any more.

Somone else might know better.g
11/26/2006 8:36:44 AM EDT
[#6]

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I don't believe there are any restrictions on what you can do to a C&R gun (at least none that are any different from any other gun.  There are restrictions on what you can do if you want it to remain a C&R gun, but I only care about the C&R status of a gun in order to aquire it with my C&R;  after that, I don't care if its C&R or not any more.

Somone else might know better.g


If I'm not mistaken, a gun acquired with your C&R license that is modified to longer be C&R eligible is now an illegal gun.  Just like if you buy an AR-15 through you local gun shop and modify it to be fully automatic, it is now classified as an NFA weapon and no longer legal for you to own as it was not registered as such a firearm.  
11/26/2006 11:20:46 AM EDT
[#7]
Are you sure you are not talking about what constitutes a C&R firearm for purchasing purposes. For example, a bubbaed Enfield rifle is not eligible to be purchased with a C&R license because it is not in original military form. On the same note, if you make a change to a C&R firearm and it no longer is in original military form then you can not sell it as a C&R firearm and the buyer will have to use a FFL as go between.

Once the firearm is yours you can do pretty much what you want to it as long as it does not violate existing firearms laws such as full auto.
11/26/2006 12:27:10 PM EDT
[#8]

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I don't believe there are any restrictions on what you can do to a C&R gun (at least none that are any different from any other gun.  There are restrictions on what you can do if you want it to remain a C&R gun, but I only care about the C&R status of a gun in order to aquire it with my C&R;  after that, I don't care if its C&R or not any more.

Somone else might know better.g


If I'm not mistaken, a gun acquired with your C&R license that is modified to longer be C&R eligible is now an illegal gun.  Just like if you buy an AR-15 through you local gun shop and modify it to be fully automatic, it is now classified as an NFA weapon and no longer legal for you to own as it was not registered as such a firearm.  


I believe you ARE mistaken.  As long as the modification does not create a configuration that would otherwise be illegal for ANY firearm (C&R or not) such as full auto or sub 16" bbl, you are free  to perform what ever mods you want, but it may cause your gun to no longer qualify as a C&R gun.  Presumably, you could even log the gun out of your C&R book as it would no longer be a C&R gun.
11/26/2006 12:29:22 PM EDT
[#9]

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Are you sure you are not talking about what constitutes a C&R firearm for purchasing purposes. For example, a bubbaed Enfield rifle is not eligible to be purchased with a C&R license because it is not in original military form. On the same note, if you make a change to a C&R firearm and it no longer is in original military form then you can not sell it as a C&R firearm and the buyer will have to use a FFL as go between.

Once the firearm is yours you can do pretty much what you want to it as long as it does not violate existing firearms laws such as full auto.


Of course, as long as you live in the same state as the other party, private person to person transfers w/o FFL or paperwork are perfectly legal under federal law, but that gun could no longer be transfferred to a C&R in another state without a go-between.
11/26/2006 12:54:47 PM EDT
[#10]

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I don't believe there are any restrictions on what you can do to a C&R gun (at least none that are any different from any other gun.  There are restrictions on what you can do if you want it to remain a C&R gun, but I only care about the C&R status of a gun in order to aquire it with my C&R;  after that, I don't care if its C&R or not any more.

Somone else might know better.g


If I'm not mistaken, a gun acquired with your C&R license that is modified to longer be C&R eligible is now an illegal gun.  Just like if you buy an AR-15 through you local gun shop and modify it to be fully automatic, it is now classified as an NFA weapon and no longer legal for you to own as it was not registered as such a firearm.  


I believe you ARE mistaken.  As long as the modification does not create a configuration that would otherwise be illegal for ANY firearm (C&R or not) such as full auto or sub 16" bbl, you are free  to perform what ever mods you want, but it may cause your gun to no longer qualify as a C&R gun.  Presumably, you could even log the gun out of your C&R book as it would no longer be a C&R gun.


I probably am mistaken, I honestly don't know and that is why I posted this thread to begin with.  I have read so many laws and rules that I'm not sure what I can legally modify on C&R guns that I acquire through my license.  I hope that you are right and that I can modify the gun to my liking within the law.  I am not doubting that you are right, but do you know where I can look to find proof that it is ok to modify a C&R firearm so long as I don't resell it as a C&R?  
11/26/2006 3:46:12 PM EDT
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I probably am mistaken, I honestly don't know and that is why I posted this thread to begin with.  I have read so many laws and rules that I'm not sure what I can legally modify on C&R guns that I acquire through my license.  I hope that you are right and that I can modify the gun to my liking within the law.  I am not doubting that you are right, but do you know where I can look to find proof that it is ok to modify a C&R firearm so long as I don't resell it as a C&R?  


Well, there doesn't seem to be any official documentation in the regs that state it's allowed, just like there aren't any regs that state it's OK to put a scope on your remington hunting rifle.

There is no provision in law that prevents modifying C&R weapons to non-C&R status.  The 03FFL is not required to own the C&R weapon, just to acquire it.

It would be nice if one could find a letter or Q&A from the ATF on the subject.
11/27/2006 10:58:31 AM EDT
[#12]
It is my understanding that any firearm older then 50 yrs, is a C&R.
So even if you "modify it from it's original military configuration", how does that change the fact that it is still older then 50 yrs?
11/27/2006 12:32:12 PM EDT
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It is my understanding that any firearm older then 50 yrs, is a C&R.
So even if you "modify it from it's original military configuration", how does that change the fact that it is still older then 50 yrs?


Good question.  Then again, most laws regulating firearms don't make much sense to me.
11/27/2006 12:40:04 PM EDT
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It is my understanding that any firearm older then 50 yrs, is a C&R.
So even if you "modify it from it's original military configuration", how does that change the fact that it is still older then 50 yrs?


Good question.  Then again, most laws regulating firearms don't make much sense to me.


Putting my tin foil on and fetching the soapbox: Gun laws are that way on purpose and open to interpretation so you are never really safe if they become interested in you.
11/27/2006 12:42:26 PM EDT
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It is my understanding that any firearm older then 50 yrs, is a C&R.
So even if you "modify it from it's original military configuration", how does that change the fact that it is still older then 50 yrs?


It's likely a combination of various ATF BS.

I suppose it's similar to the domestic parts count BS you have with AK's built on US receivers.  On the AK's, too many imported parts make it an imported gun, even though the receiver is the only part classified as a gun.  I guess if you modify a 50 year old gun enough, it becomes new.  I wonder if it becomes C&R again 50 years after you modify it?
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