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Originally Posted By BuddyChryst: No. To most people, it truly doesn’t. Maybe with your circle it means something, but for most people it says “I wish I was something I’m not”. And that’s it. I mean, I do live rurally in the mountains. Things are different up here than in the urban / suburb areas. |
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People who wear camo outside of situations that camo provides function (hunting, military ops, some LE roles, airsoft, etc) seem to fall into a few categories: 1) Rural / farmer types that spend their clothing budget on the best hunting clothing they can afford. Therefore when it’s really cold they’re wearing the best coat which happens to be camo. 2) Blue collar folks who don’t care or want to identify a certain way. 3) Vietnam gen vets trying to identify as such. 4) People who wear it intentionally and fashionably. More often the camo pattern I see herein is MCB or a MC knock off that has been saturated in green or grey. Just walk thru a Sierra store clothing section. |
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Originally Posted By BuddyChryst: Personally, I feel it’s all rather LARP-y. Im slightly embarrassed that I have 5.11 pants that I bought just because they had knee pad inserts to help with some 3-gun stages after kneeling on gravel. And the chest rig I bought for 3-gun gets put on just before I’m on deck for the stage and taken off immediately after. I use it because it’s the cheapest option to carry up to 8 rifle mags, 4 pistol, and a board of shells. Heck, I even made a face when the free hooded sunshirt I got from Daiwa has camo sleeves. I use it, but am glad I’m generally alone in the middle of a lake when I’m wearing it. I understand some think they look cool in tactical gear. Some also think it’s cool to rev their engines, squawk their tires, and roll coal. I am not one of them. In short, tactical gear should always be function over form. And no, “looking cool” is not a function, nor do I agree that it does, in fact, look cool worn outside of a tactical environment.  I think you hit on 2 of its best properties: It doesn't make any sound and you don't have to wear it. |
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Originally Posted By marnsdorff: Plus it looks cool. And looking cool is half the battle. Originally Posted By marnsdorff: Originally Posted By lew: Good to hear about ATACS-FG sppolin' up again. Works superbly in the woods here. Plus it looks cool. And looking cool is half the battle. And, as G.I. Joe said: the other half is gratuitous violence. 
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Originally Posted By ROCK6: Okay, call me MC-Black gay Now to be fair, my MC Black stuff is actually meant for low-profile, discreet carry. Like wearing under a jacket or large shirt. As long as your clothing isn't light or bright colors, the MC black does blend in a little, but I'd say the same about dark gray, regular black and darker OD green colors.These are really when I travel and plan to be around metro/urban areas more...plus they look cool https://hosting.photobucket.com/3a5ba44e-72a5-4ded-b00a-39a4440c67c0/7c039642-03b9-49c5-89a6-028d0b7801cc.jpg?width=960&height=720&fit=bounds" target="_blank">https://hosting.photobucket.com/3a5ba44e-72a5-4ded-b00a-39a4440c67c0/7c039642-03b9-49c5-89a6-028d0b7801cc.jpg?width=960&height=720&fit=bounds I did RIT dye a bunch of old UCP camo pouches and a TT MAV with black dye and they kind of came out multicam blackish. I'll need to dig them out... ROCK6 LGBTQiMCB. Not judging. That kit looks pretty awesome and the logic you constructed to justify it is the exact same (fake) logic I’ve been contemplating to justify buying something I don’t need: a MCB discreet battle rig. ETA: discreet low viz travel is also on my justification list. |
| Camo around here is pretty common. Kids wear old school brown camo to church and even adults wear it everywhere. Especially in the cooler months. |
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Originally Posted By sdwornicki: Keeping “clean” or simply hiding stains is legit. I have a cheap SKD field shirt in MCB that I wear when I change oil and any stains blend right in. It would also be a great tanker or maintainer uniform for that reason. Half joking. Tactical oil changes bro. Honestly you're not wrong. It'd make a kick-ass mechanic's uniform for even a civilian shop. |
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Well, I RIT dyed some new USGI issue multicam uniforms over the weekend. I am not entirely sure I like how it turned out, but then again I was guessing on the quantities of the two dye colors I used (the only shade of Green available locally and Black). It looks more "grey" than anything else. You want pictures. I know. Maybe tomorrow. ETA: I dyed uniforms because they have virtually no resale value anyway. I'm selling off my stuff and NOBODY is going to buy the uniforms so I thought why not try it. |
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Originally Posted By GaryT1776: You want pictures. I know. Maybe tomorrow. ETA: I dyed uniforms because they have virtually no resale value anyway. I'm selling off my stuff and NOBODY is going to buy the uniforms so I thought why not try it. Same. I need to dig out that stuff I dyed (UCP camo shit) that came out psuedo multicam black. If you show me yours I'll show you mine ROCK6 |
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Originally Posted By sidpost: Those RIT Dyed pictures look good to me. Originally Posted By sidpost: Those RIT Dyed pictures look good to me. Originally Posted By marnsdorff: Yea, that doesn't look too bad. Maybe I should try dyeing some multicam with a touch more green and brown, darken it up a little. It's too light for use around here. Thanks. It didn't turn out how I envisioned it, but I honestly do (somewhat) like it. Multicam, especially after being washed a few times, is too "bright" or "light" as @marsndorff said. Occasionally I'll see some that is more green dominate, but the stuff that is light sand and/or pink dominate is too light for my area (apart from very late autumn and some areas during winter). Regarding "pink" in camo, it is actually EXTREMELY effective. A lot of the WW2 German camo incorporated pinks and were highly efficient. In fact, when I first saw Multicam I thought "someone researched SS camo". The Austrian "pea" camo (technically called KAZ 57) has a pink background with "peas" over the top. I tested uniforms and gear (in this pattern) fairly extensively in the early 1990s and it was remarkably effective in a lot of different environments and seasons. Last autumn my wife surprised me by walking to the end of a half-marathon training ruck I was on in largely agricultural area. From a far distance I could see her black leggings and our 87 pound black dog but couldn't make out what exactly I was seeing (because she was wearing a sweater that is roughly the same shade of pink as KAZ 57 base color). It wasn't until she was much closer that I could tell I was seeing a human. Pink works, oddly, well. |
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I have a couple of other Multicam and/or OCP uniforms that I plan on dying with different "base colors": A) Brighter green similar to CADPAT. B) Pink similar to KAZ57. C) Muted green similar to ATACS-FG. The big project I'm considering is turning micro pattern Multicam into a macro pattern by using "tie dying" techniques. The concept is to overlay dark greens, light greens and mid browns over Multicam to get a quasi M81 Multicam. |
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Again, I've been testing camouflage since the early 1980s (really heavily starting in the early 1990s) and have found the micro vs macro pattern issue to be a challenge. Micro patterns work great at close range, but essentially merge into a blob at distance. Macro patterns work great at distance, but contrast too heavily at close range. The idea of overlaying a solid colorway gear over a micro pattern uniform is very effective. A la USMC Marpat with Coyote Brown gear or M81 with Multicam gear or Multicam with Ranger Green gear. This disrupts the overall "human blob" by disconnecting the parts we see as human with a MASSIVE macro contrast. It would be interesting to see a micro - macro pattern where each macro color is comprised of a color dominate micro pattern. |
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Originally Posted By marnsdorff: *coughcough* Pencott *coughcough* Look at Pencott Greenzone. https://i.ibb.co/f6ZvwJW/pencott.jpg A colleague talks about that pattern often. I know he has some clothing in it so I'll ask him to bring it in for me to see in person. |
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Originally Posted By GaryT1776: A colleague talks about that pattern often. I know he has some clothing in it so I'll ask him to bring it in for me to see in person. I've got a pack in it. It looks even better in real life. It has this weird feature that it tends to darken or lighten in appearance depending on the environment it is in - ie, in a shady spot, it tends to appear darker than when it is in the sun. Same with lighter / darker backgrounds in general. I quite like it. Pencott just recently started production on a new batch of fabric, they haven't made one in years. There are a few other variations of it - a lighter, kinda multicam color pallet version. And Helikon has their own variation that is kinda a mix of Greenzone and the multicam-ish one. There's also an arid version if I remember right. |
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Sorry to continue the derailment, but this discussion triggers the ‘tism…. Orion Design Group had a family of patterns that had both micro and macro elements and were, in my opinion, quite effective and pretty innovative at the time. Attached File Unfortunately the guy behind ODG isn’t the best at running businesses and doesn’t seem to want to produce anything in the patterns anymore. Only thing ODG sells regularly is a cool-guy helmet cover. Beyond Clothing had a whole line in the patterns, I have a set of pants and a zip up shirt in it that are amazing. Pre-5.11 acquisition. Probably never gonna see anymore of it though. |
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