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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Official Medical Gear Thread (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 5/20/2012 9:44:43 PM EDT
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i know we have an ifak thread, but i figure we can have a full on medical setup thread that is not just ifaks/boks. ive been around the survival forum and there really isnt a dedicated thread there either, but i figure there are people that have more expansive setups than just a small pouch somewhere.
i have a med bag for each car, a big LBT bag for the house, a med kit in my edc pack, a pocket edc kit, my camping kit, and my BOK. ill take pics tomorrow but i just wanted to get this thread up and running. |
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while i know that the bok is supposed to be used on yourself, i prepare mine with the thought process of, if someone gets shot (me or not), its going to be at the range (with respect to the kit on my rig)(more probable than getting shot in an invasion of CONUS), and, if someone else goes down theres a very high chance they do not have their own kit to use on them, so it will be coming from mine.
just something to think about with respect to what you said about the NPAs and chest seals. other than that, looks good! for the vehicle kit, i would add 1 big or a few of the smaller (4x4 or 4x6) burn jel packets. the one you have is for like sunburn but they make the larger ones for actual burns. its something ive been meaning to put in mine, but theyre a bit pricey. |
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while i know that the bok is supposed to be used on yourself, i prepare mine with the thought process of, if someone gets shot (me or not), its going to be at the range (with respect to the kit on my rig)(more probable than getting shot in an invasion of CONUS), and, if someone else goes down theres a very high chance they do not have their own kit to use on them, so it will be coming from mine. just something to think about with respect to what you said about the NPAs and chest seals. other than that, looks good! for the vehicle kit, i would add 1 big or a few of the smaller (4x4 or 4x6) burn jel packets. the one you have is for like sunburn but they make the larger ones for actual burns. its something ive been meaning to put in mine, but theyre a bit pricey. I have thought about that too, but I myself wouldn't be comfortable placing a NPA in someone. A chest seal would be doable, but really I need more training and practice. We all do. I had a very substantial kit in my truck at one time with some really good burn cream that was used on more than one occasion. I tottalled that truck in December and lost two med kits, bug out bag, hunting knives and lots of other stuff, the list keeps getting bigger. It keeps slipping my mind to get more burn cream. Many guys where happy I had it. One of the mods here got a hot shell stuck between his eyelid and his glasses one time, the burn cream helped ease his pain a bit. Note: I was in the process of bandaging my head after my wreck when the medics pulled up, set me down and did it for me. Put your vehicle kit where you can reach it...you never know.
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NPAs are easy. Lube it up, do NOT put it in someone who has a head injury, and just use common sense. I've had an NPA in a few times, it's never comfortable, but it's not painful, and it's pretty hard to screw up. Just be prepared to secure it in place with some tape, and make sure not to cover the hole. If it's lubed enough to go in, it will come out pretty easily just with the patient breathing, so you'll have to tape the flange down to their nose if you can.
Obviously don't use it on small children, and again, don't use it on people with suspected head injuries. Otherwise you should be good to go. Don't take the same approach to needle chest decompressions and other invasive procedures though. I've seen a lot of people who think that treating a tension pneumothorax is no big deal, but it really is. Other interventions are similar, but I don't think there's an intervention that people are more over confident and under prepared to do out there more so than this one. |
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Don't take the same approach to needle chest decompressions and other invasive procedures though. I've seen a lot of people who think that treating a tension pneumothorax is no big deal, but it really is. Other interventions are similar, but I don't think there's an intervention that people are more over confident and under prepared to do out there more so than this one. For that reason, I decided to skip the decomp needle. Anyone able to do that will have their own, and, for those that cannot/should not, they shouldn't be touching one any way. NPA's and OPA;s are stupidly easy, though. |
| That's a nifty little kit there Nape! The safety pin reminded me of something I seen on a AAR for a combat lifesaver module. Safety pins are good to pin things like ears, fingers and toes back onto the patient so as not to loose during transport. I can see how maybe putting some in my vehicle kit wouldn't be too bad an idea. |
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That's a nifty little kit there Nape! The safety pin reminded me of something I seen on a AAR for a combat lifesaver module. Safety pins are good to pin things like ears, fingers and toes back onto the patient so as not to loose during transport. I can see how maybe putting some in my vehicle kit wouldn't be too bad an idea.
Man, now you are forcing me to get out all my med gear and photo it for this thread. Thanks. I could supply a battalion. Hell I even have a Heartsaver AED and IVP meds. . |
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That's a nifty little kit there Nape! The safety pin reminded me of something I seen on a AAR for a combat lifesaver module. Safety pins are good to pin things like ears, fingers and toes back onto the patient so as not to loose during transport. I can see how maybe putting some in my vehicle kit wouldn't be too bad an idea. thanks! i love it. i never used to EDC a first aid kit of any type, but fuck me running i use this thing constantly! and it holds alot of shit if i do say so myself. most important thing to me is the meds, good to always have around when you are on the go at work/school/whatever. whenever i think of a safety pin, i think of 1) blisters/splinters, or 2) pinning someone's tongue to their lip to prevent it blocking their airway
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That's a nifty little kit there Nape! The safety pin reminded me of something I seen on a AAR for a combat lifesaver module. Safety pins are good to pin things like ears, fingers and toes back onto the patient so as not to loose during transport. I can see how maybe putting some in my vehicle kit wouldn't be too bad an idea.
Man, now you are forcing me to get out all my med gear and photo it for this thread. Thanks. I could supply a battalion. Hell I even have a Heartsaver AED and IVP meds. . SHOW US!!! |
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Quoted: That's a nifty little kit there Nape! The safety pin reminded me of something I seen on a AAR for a combat lifesaver module. Safety pins are good to pin things like ears, fingers and toes back onto the patient so as not to loose during transport. I can see how maybe putting some in my vehicle kit wouldn't be too bad an idea. In a pinch, you can also pin an unresponsive person's tongue to his lip or cheek to help keep his/her airway clear if you don't have an OPA or NPA. |
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That's a nifty little kit there Nape! The safety pin reminded me of something I seen on a AAR for a combat lifesaver module. Safety pins are good to pin things like ears, fingers and toes back onto the patient so as not to loose during transport. I can see how maybe putting some in my vehicle kit wouldn't be too bad an idea. In a pinch, you can also pin an unresponsive person's tongue to his lip or cheek to help keep his/her airway clear if you don't have an OPA or NPA. Its ok, you dont have to read my posts
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My aid bag. Had to stock most of it myself. Raided a CLS bag for the other stuff. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/jmcmahan/Stuff/IMG_2371.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/jmcmahan/Stuff/IMG_2374.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/jmcmahan/Stuff/IMG_2373.jpg That's a great looking kit! I especially love the labels on the individual "modules". Wonderfully organized. |
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Quoted: very nice! is that the MR med bag? and what is the thought behind the bag? (work, SHTF, range, SAR, etc?) It's a Mystery Ranch RATS pack on a NICE frame without BVS. Built it up for SHTF, SAR and camping trips with big groups. Part-time medic and also volunteer EMT with the local FD. I have an issue dept medkit in my POV that sucks donkey dicks. We're a rural service, so every now and then we get a SAR call for a resident of local nursing homes that releases himself/herself on his/her own recognizance and off to the woods we go. Much better to be hands free with this on my back than with a half-assed little orange tick in my hands. I'll stuff this thing with the issue gear so I'm not a liability on an official FD call. I can lash a D-tank of O2 to the bottom of the NICE frame as well, which is pretty awesome. For non-official calls, I keep my own kit in it, which is why I love the compartments with hook and loop on them. Quick swap in and out. It's mostly BLS with some OTC meds for things that happen outdoors. Benadryl, anti-pyretics, Immodium, hydrocortisone gel, TUMS, anti-emetics, etc. Have some HEPA N-95 masks, a splint, cold/hot packs, mylar blankets and other goodies stuffed in the outer pockets. BVM with adult and child masks. Vaseline gauze for chest wounds instead of Bolns or Ashermans because I am cheap and old school. Want to get some CELOX gauze, but that stuff is pricey, so I'll go with what I have for now. For me, SHTF is some major storm that blows through and knocks out power, messes up houses, etc. If I head to a shooting class, it's in the truck, just in case. Same with road trips. Got the multicam because it is boss. They had it in red and coyote, but the 'cam just spoke to me. I'm definitely a MR gear whore of the highest order. |
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Quoted: bump up as a reminder to get pics of my shit. since i have these pics taken ill throw it up. my pocket EDC, in an WWII carlisle bandage tin (because i think it looks super cool, and i like the way it closes more than an altoid tin). http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx81/napearfcom/photobucket-11089-1338048476564.jpg http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx81/napearfcom/photobucket-31338-1338048430964.jpg http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx81/napearfcom/photobucket-4102-1338048387991.jpg contents (from L-R, top to bottom) -Bayer aspirin -Zantac 75 (i have heartburn all the time so this is my most important thing in here) -Benadryl -4x bandaids -Safety Pin -Bacitracin -Hydrocortisone cream -antiseptic wipe -celox 2g -2x smaller bandaids -tape -imodium -pepto bismol (generic, but now you can buy the actual pepto in individual chewables) -ibuprofen -cold medicine generic (guafenesin, phenylephrine, acetaminophen) -big bandaid -2x3 gauze -3x3 gauze I think this is an excellent setup. Love the WWII tin to cap it all off. |
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Quoted: No doubt. It takes a while for a tension pneumo to develop. It's cool to hear a dude's chest pop and all, but it is an advanced lifeNPAs are easy. Lube it up, do NOT put it in someone who has a head injury, and just use common sense. I've had an NPA in a few times, it's never comfortable, but it's not painful, and it's pretty hard to screw up. Just be prepared to secure it in place with some tape, and make sure not to cover the hole. If it's lubed enough to go in, it will come out pretty easily just with the patient breathing, so you'll have to tape the flange down to their nose if you can. Obviously don't use it on small children, and again, don't use it on people with suspected head injuries. Otherwise you should be good to go. Don't take the same approach to needle chest decompressions and other invasive procedures though. I've seen a lot of people who think that treating a tension pneumothorax is no big deal, but it really is. Other interventions are similar, but I don't think there's an intervention that people are more over confident and under prepared to do out there more so than this one. support procedure that should be done after other basic techniques have run their course and the patient is at risk. Know the difference between a simple pneumothorax and a tension pneumothorax. Key signs and symptoms of a tension pneumo are hypotension (systolic BP <100), a narrowing pulse pressure (the margin of difference between systolic and diastolic, ie. 100/86 is a narrow pulse pressure), absence of breath sounds on the affected side, hyperresonance upon percussion of the affected side, and signs and symptoms of hypoxia. Tracheal deviation is a late sign and it means you are in deep shit if you see it. If none of these are present or only diminished breath sounds are present, you have time and should focus on hauling ass and getting that patient to the hospital. If you have O2 on hand, give them that and watch for the S&S listed above. If you have pulse oximetry and/or ETCO2, they can help with monitoring. In the event of a hemothorax, you just need to haul ass so the doc can get a chest tube in the PT to drain the blood. That needle and catheter won't do a whole lot up in the second intercostal space at the top of the ribcage. |
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If the question is "What should I carry" then the answer can be found among the many good posts here on the thread. If the question is "What DO I carry" well, that is another story.
I spend my life in the woods and mountains, on skis and snowshoes in winter and boots and saddle in the green and khaki seasons. I'm far from home often as when checking coyote or wolf snares. I'm alone. I have lots of other stuff to carry. What I do carry is all multi-use stuff; Rags. Electrical Tape. Bailing twine. Bandana. Flask of whisky. Swiss Army Knife with the little scissors. During work I've experienced cuts and such, the worst so far being the loss of part of my right finger {foud it and had it sewn back on} and also when I hit myself with a machete into my left kneecap, the blade sticking into the bone. Numerous cuts. I realize that in the winter if I go down with a serious injury, I'm done. Lathered up as I am in sweat over a 13 mile trek, with no one within many miles. No cell phone, etc. I don't think I'd last a night out under many circumstances. All of my med stuff is multiuse material, but I have had to use every bit of it for emergency medical needs, binding bad cuts, especially. For example, the rags and bailing twine were used to bind my leg for the hike to the ATV. Stayed on thru the hike, then the drive back to the ranch, then the car ride to the hospital. The whisky is used as a anticeptic and it is enough that if something really bad happens and I'm not doing well and see no aid but quiet, I'll just down it all for some pain relief and hope for the best. |
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bump up as a reminder to get pics of my shit. since i have these pics taken ill throw it up. my pocket EDC, in an WWII carlisle bandage tin (because i think it looks super cool, and i like the way it closes more than an altoid tin). http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx81/napearfcom/photobucket-11089-1338048476564.jpg http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx81/napearfcom/photobucket-31338-1338048430964.jpg http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx81/napearfcom/photobucket-4102-1338048387991.jpg contents (from L-R, top to bottom) -Bayer aspirin -Zantac 75 (i have heartburn all the time so this is my most important thing in here) -Benadryl -4x bandaids -Safety Pin -Bacitracin -Hydrocortisone cream -antiseptic wipe -celox 2g -2x smaller bandaids -tape -imodium -pepto bismol (generic, but now you can buy the actual pepto in individual chewables) -ibuprofen -cold medicine generic (guafenesin, phenylephrine, acetaminophen) -big bandaid -2x3 gauze -3x3 gauze I think this is an excellent setup. Love the WWII tin to cap it all off. Yes, I thought the same, loved this kit. I have a couple of the issue survival kits in tins and think they are the best. There is so much packed in those to, but one I unpacked I never could get back to the way it was originally. lol But love that tin kit. |
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very nice! is that the MR med bag? and what is the thought behind the bag? (work, SHTF, range, SAR, etc?) It's a Mystery Ranch RATS pack on a NICE frame without BVS. Built it up for SHTF, SAR and camping trips with big groups. Part-time medic and also volunteer EMT with the local FD. I have an issue dept medkit in my POV that sucks donkey dicks. We're a rural service, so every now and then we get a SAR call for a resident of local nursing homes that releases himself/herself on his/her own recognizance and off to the woods we go. Much better to be hands free with this on my back than with a half-assed little orange tick in my hands. I'll stuff this thing with the issue gear so I'm not a liability on an official FD call. I can lash a D-tank of O2 to the bottom of the NICE frame as well, which is pretty awesome. For non-official calls, I keep my own kit in it, which is why I love the compartments with hook and loop on them. Quick swap in and out. It's mostly BLS with some OTC meds for things that happen outdoors. Benadryl, anti-pyretics, Immodium, hydrocortisone gel, TUMS, anti-emetics, etc. Have some HEPA N-95 masks, a splint, cold/hot packs, mylar blankets and other goodies stuffed in the outer pockets. BVM with adult and child masks. Vaseline gauze for chest wounds instead of Bolns or Ashermans because I am cheap and old school. Want to get some CELOX gauze, but that stuff is pricey, so I'll go with what I have for now. For me, SHTF is some major storm that blows through and knocks out power, messes up houses, etc. If I head to a shooting class, it's in the truck, just in case. Same with road trips. Got the multicam because it is boss. They had it in red and coyote, but the 'cam just spoke to me. I'm definitely a MR gear whore of the highest order. That bag is absolutely tits. Puts mine to shame. What's in the OD green pouch in the third-to-last picture? |
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very nice! is that the MR med bag? and what is the thought behind the bag? (work, SHTF, range, SAR, etc?) It's a Mystery Ranch RATS pack on a NICE frame without BVS. Built it up for SHTF, SAR and camping trips with big groups. Part-time medic and also volunteer EMT with the local FD. I have an issue dept medkit in my POV that sucks donkey dicks. We're a rural service, so every now and then we get a SAR call for a resident of local nursing homes that releases himself/herself on his/her own recognizance and off to the woods we go. Much better to be hands free with this on my back than with a half-assed little orange tick in my hands. I'll stuff this thing with the issue gear so I'm not a liability on an official FD call. I can lash a D-tank of O2 to the bottom of the NICE frame as well, which is pretty awesome. For non-official calls, I keep my own kit in it, which is why I love the compartments with hook and loop on them. Quick swap in and out. It's mostly BLS with some OTC meds for things that happen outdoors. Benadryl, anti-pyretics, Immodium, hydrocortisone gel, TUMS, anti-emetics, etc. Have some HEPA N-95 masks, a splint, cold/hot packs, mylar blankets and other goodies stuffed in the outer pockets. BVM with adult and child masks. Vaseline gauze for chest wounds instead of Bolns or Ashermans because I am cheap and old school. Want to get some CELOX gauze, but that stuff is pricey, so I'll go with what I have for now. For me, SHTF is some major storm that blows through and knocks out power, messes up houses, etc. If I head to a shooting class, it's in the truck, just in case. Same with road trips. Got the multicam because it is boss. They had it in red and coyote, but the 'cam just spoke to me. I'm definitely a MR gear whore of the highest order. That bag is absolutely tits. Puts mine to shame. What's in the OD green pouch in the third-to-last picture? Splint http://www.faretec.com/fast-set-3.html |
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very nice! is that the MR med bag? and what is the thought behind the bag? (work, SHTF, range, SAR, etc?) It's a Mystery Ranch RATS pack on a NICE frame without BVS. Built it up for SHTF, SAR and camping trips with big groups. Part-time medic and also volunteer EMT with the local FD. I have an issue dept medkit in my POV that sucks donkey dicks. We're a rural service, so every now and then we get a SAR call for a resident of local nursing homes that releases himself/herself on his/her own recognizance and off to the woods we go. Much better to be hands free with this on my back than with a half-assed little orange tick in my hands. I'll stuff this thing with the issue gear so I'm not a liability on an official FD call. I can lash a D-tank of O2 to the bottom of the NICE frame as well, which is pretty awesome. For non-official calls, I keep my own kit in it, which is why I love the compartments with hook and loop on them. Quick swap in and out. It's mostly BLS with some OTC meds for things that happen outdoors. Benadryl, anti-pyretics, Immodium, hydrocortisone gel, TUMS, anti-emetics, etc. Have some HEPA N-95 masks, a splint, cold/hot packs, mylar blankets and other goodies stuffed in the outer pockets. BVM with adult and child masks. Vaseline gauze for chest wounds instead of Bolns or Ashermans because I am cheap and old school. Want to get some CELOX gauze, but that stuff is pricey, so I'll go with what I have for now. For me, SHTF is some major storm that blows through and knocks out power, messes up houses, etc. If I head to a shooting class, it's in the truck, just in case. Same with road trips. Got the multicam because it is boss. They had it in red and coyote, but the 'cam just spoke to me. I'm definitely a MR gear whore of the highest order. That bag is absolutely tits. Puts mine to shame. What's in the OD green pouch in the third-to-last picture? Splint http://www.faretec.com/fast-set-3.html Thanks for the reply. Have you any experience with this splint, and could you compare to something like the SAM splint? |
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Quoted: http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f184/larryparamed/KGrHqZHJCIE-pSH68bBPrQmllw60_57.jpg Thought I'd finally get my kit posted. Fuckin' high fuckin' speed Larry. That's tits. |
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Quoted: Are you guys EMT's or something? Where are you carrying this stuff? Paramedic. Have the big bag for similar reasons that Nape cites, preparedness being the primary. Take it with me on road trips, shooting trips, or have it at base camp and also have it easy to get to at home. I'm rural, so if something bad happens, I have tools to do basic life support until the cavalry arrives. |
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Are you guys EMT's or something? Where are you carrying this stuff? Paramedic. Have the big bag for similar reasons that Nape cites, preparedness being the primary. Take it with me on road trips, shooting trips, or have it at base camp and also have it easy to get to at home. I'm rural, so if something bad happens, I have tools to do basic life support until the cavalry arrives. That's what this is all about. I live in the suburbs, and the FD is about 200 yards away, but sometimes, things need to happen right f-in now. If I'm in the bush, I'll probably be the only help around. My lady is a nurse, but I really to beef up her emergency response skills. |
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I applaud the efforts here and the kits give some very good ideas. I'm not "rural", I'm remote, so all of it is certainly interesting.
There's no way I could carry the lot that is in many of these bags, and will continue to carry the stuff I do, but nevertheless, thanks for the answers. One thing's for sure; like guns and other gear, this stuff could become an obscession of collecting and analyzing! |
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I applaud the efforts here and the kits give some very good ideas. I'm not "rural", I'm remote, so all of it is certainly interesting. There's no way I could carry the lot that is in many of these bags, and will continue to carry the stuff I do, but nevertheless, thanks for the answers. One thing's for sure; like guns and other gear, this stuff could become an obscession of collecting and analyzing! mission drives the gear. if you are so far away from any other help, then there's no point to carry gear beyond a certain trauma level. the reason i have a main big big pack is because i live in an apt complex, plus my parents and brother live down the road from me and my wife. my line of thinking was if something bad were to happen, such as a tornado or earthquake, chances are i would be at home (since im a full time student and do not work), and there would be many people hurt because of the way my complex is constructed, and i would be able to help immediately. that was my thinking anyways. then i have the car bags and the smaller kits for camping and whatnot. |
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Quoted: EVR,I applaud the efforts here and the kits give some very good ideas. I'm not "rural", I'm remote, so all of it is certainly interesting. There's no way I could carry the lot that is in many of these bags, and will continue to carry the stuff I do, but nevertheless, thanks for the answers. One thing's for sure; like guns and other gear, this stuff could become an obscession of collecting and analyzing! I've seen your threads and feel the same way. You are one remote dude, and if I were out doing the things you are, my kit would be way smaller. When out backpacking with a couple of dudes, it's really basic. Minor wound care, bug bite stuff, and snivel gear. Anything else, you improvise with what you find in the woods and know how to make smoke signals and the like to get found. My big stuff is set up to be in an environment where you might be treating multiple patients and getting relief from EMS, Fire, and/or LE in a short period. Natural disaster type stuff. And you are correct. It is yet another way to relieve yourself of any disposable income you might have. |
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My big stuff is set up to be in an environment where you might be treating multiple patients and getting relief from EMS, Fire, and/or LE in a short period. Natural disaster type stuff. This makes a lot of sense. I am NOT an EMT, but have had a modicum of first aid training over the years. Now, here at the ranch house, we have all sorts of vet stuff for care of animals and in a disaster would have even penecillin that could be used in a pinch. Most all the people live right along the main highways and many of our neighbors have med supplies stashed away, too. In the field, different case, as you mention, as I carry what I have come to NEED over the years with nothing else to wear out, get wet {the bugbear of medical supplies IMO} and otherwise be compromised "just when I need it". My kids have been raised in a critter-intense world and have treated animals since they were 3 or 4 in some way, at 4 my daughters were steadying ewes while we reached in to help deliver lambs. Improvisation occurs all the time. Knowledge of physiology and a creative mind are certainly valuable assetts when trouble hits. This is a really interesting thread and I keep popping in on it to re-read and examine the gear you guys have assembled. Much is in our med cabinet, but your organization and haversacks and such are really interesting as well. I'm always looking for ideas and this thread is a great one for new perspectives and gear. Great stuff, fellows. |
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I guess this would be relevant here, I bought a HSGI bleeder blowout pouch a week or so ago and last night I ordered some stuff from chinook medical to fill it with.
Items it will contain: -4" Israeli bandage -Halo chest seal -15g of Celox -sof tourniquet I will try and post pics when the stuff gets here |
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