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2/14/2012 7:31:06 PM EDT
I just purchased a plate carrier for active shooter type situations.  While i hope to never use it I do have a question.  What do you guys and gals carry in your accessory pouch?  

Just looking for ideas.  Thanks
2/14/2012 8:15:00 PM EDT
[#1]
My.   Active shooter rig only has mags. Flex cuffs.. small surefire light and some surgical gloves just incase

No need to go over kill more than likely you will be around your car or others
2/14/2012 8:26:35 PM EDT
[#2]
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My.   Active shooter rig only has mags. Flex cuffs.. small surefire light and some surgical gloves just incase

No need to go over kill more than likely you will be around your car or others


This and a blow out kit.
2/14/2012 8:42:04 PM EDT
[#3]
Not LE but,.... Mentos.
2/14/2012 11:02:10 PM EDT
[#4]
not a cop but you can do a lot with door stops in an urban enviroment
2/15/2012 6:52:03 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
My.   Active shooter rig only has mags. Flex cuffs.. small surefire light and some surgical gloves just incase

No need to go over kill more than likely you will be around your car or others


+1 also a couple tourniquets or quick clot just in case, also if you dont have a weapon mounted light i would carry a spare, 2 is one and one is none, but above mentioned is excatlty what I carry in mine
2/15/2012 6:57:18 PM EDT
[#6]
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My.   Active shooter rig only has mags. Flex cuffs.. small surefire light and some surgical gloves just incase

No need to go over kill more than likely you will be around your car or others


This and a blow out kit.


And a CAT.

Edit: I see the posted above me beat me to it.
2/16/2012 6:58:05 PM EDT
[#7]
I would throw in extra flex cuffs, 550 cord or duct tape to secure doors if situation dictates, marker for writting on stuff, people etc.  Could even attach 550 cord to blow out kit in case you can't get to an injured person or officer you could throw and miss a few times or even pull them somewhere.  Whatever Macgyver it up.  I would even grab a few glow sticks JIC.
2/17/2012 7:35:59 AM EDT
[#8]
Zip ties and yellow lumber crayons for marking doors.  Lowe's has them.
2/17/2012 3:51:30 PM EDT
[#9]
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not a cop but you can do a lot with door stops in an urban enviroment


Those shouldn't be on an active shooter rig, but in a backpack that can be grabbed if needed. Active shooter rigs need to be light and quick, and should only contain bullets, things to plug holes made by bullets, and the means to call for more bullets. Anything more than that is not Active Shooter anymore, but working as a rescue team or the like.

2/17/2012 9:10:48 PM EDT
[#10]
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not a cop but you can do a lot with door stops in an urban enviroment


Those shouldn't be on an active shooter rig, but in a backpack that can be grabbed if needed. Active shooter rigs need to be light and quick, and should only contain bullets, things to plug holes made by bullets, and the means to call for more bullets. Anything more than that is not Active Shooter anymore, but working as a rescue team or the like.



if some door stops slow you down you dont need to be saving people you need to be in the gym.

i suppose he shouldnt carry a marker, a tac mirror, flex cuffs, or spare batteries either right? you never know what youll run into out there its better to have the tools on you than not.

2/17/2012 9:18:33 PM EDT
[#11]
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not a cop but you can do a lot with door stops in an urban enviroment


Those shouldn't be on an active shooter rig, but in a backpack that can be grabbed if needed. Active shooter rigs need to be light and quick, and should only contain bullets, things to plug holes made by bullets, and the means to call for more bullets. Anything more than that is not Active Shooter anymore, but working as a rescue team or the like.



if some door stops slow you down you dont need to be saving people you need to be in the gym.

i suppose he shouldnt carry a marker, a tac mirror, flex cuffs, or spare batteries either right? you never know what youll run into out there its better to have the tools on you than not.



You start adding every little item that 'might be useful' and you have a huge, heavy, bulky super vest. I think that was his point. It adds up. An active shooter rig is lightweight, ammo...
2/17/2012 9:26:39 PM EDT
[#12]
just a suggestion, either this cop takes it or leaves it. he asked for advice on what to put in it, not what a rig should be. theres a few threads on that already.
2/17/2012 9:29:37 PM EDT
[#13]
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just a suggestion, either this cop takes it or leaves it. he asked for advice on what to put in it, not what a rig should be. theres a few threads on that already.


Just adding my own opinion.
2/17/2012 9:33:35 PM EDT
[#14]
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just a suggestion, either this cop takes it or leaves it. he asked for advice on what to put in it, not what a rig should be. theres a few threads on that already.


Just adding my own opinion.


game recognize game, respect.
2/18/2012 1:18:55 PM EDT
[#15]
Mine was ammo, comms, blow out kit, eatra CAT and a small pouch for NODs just in case. My rig now is set up the same way. pistol and primary mags up front. Blow out kit and CAT on left side, extra mags and comms on back and nods on left side (kept mostly clear to get to pistol). i also had a gas mask on a drop leg with the quick detach JIC.
2/19/2012 8:36:01 PM EDT
[#16]
From a LE stand point for a active shooter kit,

Like some said, all good ideas.  Some from experience in training.  (Thank god, no real world expeirence)

So some thoughts     When it comes to extra mags for weapons....  maybe not so much for ammo but for "fixing weapons"  (jams, failures, etc)  20 Rounders are good for rilfe.  Savs weight and space.

Also, hadnt seen it, could have missed, make sure you have big fat black sharpie marker so you can what write ever you need.  Rooms cleared, your path, number of victims inside, times, or triage info on victims, etc.
2/20/2012 9:43:21 AM EDT
[#17]
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not a cop but you can do a lot with door stops in an urban enviroment


Those shouldn't be on an active shooter rig, but in a backpack that can be grabbed if needed. Active shooter rigs need to be light and quick, and should only contain bullets, things to plug holes made by bullets, and the means to call for more bullets. Anything more than that is not Active Shooter anymore, but working as a rescue team or the like.



if some door stops slow you down you dont need to be saving people you need to be in the gym.

i suppose he shouldnt carry a marker, a tac mirror, flex cuffs, or spare batteries either right? you never know what youll run into out there its better to have the tools on you than not.



You start adding every little item that 'might be useful' and you have a huge, heavy, bulky super vest. I think that was his point. It adds up. An active shooter rig is lightweight, ammo...


I didn't say that he didn't need it. There is a different place for it. Define the intents. Active Shooter is for go right now, as a Hunter/Killer Team. Speed is of the essence, and you aren't taking time to use door stops to either keep doors open or keep them shut. You aren't going to take the time to change batteries. There is an average of a death every six seconds with the whole event finished in about six minutes total, including the time it took you to respond.

I've been an officer for 18 years, have been tasked with Active Shooter policy creation as well as working on a SWAT team for over seven years in various roles, and have always been the officer that carried all that and more on my entry vests. I've used the door stops, flex cuffs, spare batteries, and carry a mirror in my admin pouch. You don't use those things in an Active Shooter until the situation changes and either slows down, or you are a part of a Rescue/Search team, working traditional tactical search techniques. You are better off keeping your gear modular. Instead of loading everything into one heavy-ass rig, you have a light rig for just active shooter. If you need more, you carry the additional gear in a small 1000-1800ci pack that has what you need, including gas mask. As part of a Rescue/Search team you have the extra seconds to put the extra equipment on, and you will LIKELY be assembling into a traditional 3-5 man formation. You can access those items easily or you will have partners that will fight off your back and grab what's needed while you're in a covering position. Work smarter, not harder, and not for reasons because that's always the way we've done it before.

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