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3/31/2009 3:55:26 PM EDT
has anyone used or heard anything about the aites socom rack kit? good or bad? seems like a good deal, i just dont know if the brand is good quality or what. thanks!

HERE
3/31/2009 5:17:10 PM EDT
[#1]
I have an AITES Multicam Waist Pack, the buttpack for the MOLLE II/RACK system.   Sewing is well done, all materials appear to be the mil-spec components.
4/1/2009 9:49:59 AM EDT
[#2]
Looks like an HSGI Woosatch "A" when using the crossback configuration.
Woosatch A is $150.00
Gives ya the option of using the remainder of the cash for your personal preference of pouches..
I'll try and get some pics up for ya asap..

CXS
4/1/2009 10:01:10 AM EDT
[#3]
Also, take this for what its worth..

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2009/022009/02102009/444818


4 plant workers charged over deportation orders

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FLS Customer Care
Immigration officials arrest four employees of city business

BY EMILY BATTLE

Date published: 2/10/2009

BY EMILY BATTLE

Four employees of L.B. Technologies in Fredericksburg have been arrested by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement because they had been given final orders for deportation by an immigration judge.

ICE found the employees after reviewing L.B. Technologies' employment records, according to an ICE spokeswoman.

The agency subpoenaed to obtain those records after a routine fire inspection of the building L.B. Technologies leases at 404 Willis St. caused Fredericksburg officials to shut the building down and call in the federal agency. According to city police, the roughly 50 employees found at the scene when the fire marshal arrived all fled when city police showed up.

ICE determined there was probable cause to believe illegal immigrants were working at the business.

ICE, along with the General Services Administration, the Office of the Inspector General, the Department of Labor's wage and hour division and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms continue to investigate L.B. Technologies.

The company, which makes apparel under U.S. military contracts, is run by John P. Straiton, who was convicted in 1986 of selling faulty Yugoslavian ammunition as an American product to the government of El Salvador under a U.S. military contract.

L.B. Technologies has no business license to operate in the city, and had no occupancy permit to be in the Willis Street building.

That building remains classified as unsafe, which means no one can enter without a permit from the city building official. Building Official Steve Smallwood has permitted Straiton to enter the building, but nobody else.

Business cannot resume at that location until Straiton gets permits and inspections for a number of alterations that were made to the building.

Smallwood said Straiton had not begun the permitting process as of yesterday.

Emily Battle: 540/374-5413
Email: [email protected]


Read more stories about Fredericksburg
Date published: 2/10/2009 .


CXS
4/1/2009 2:44:03 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
Looks like an HSGI Woosatch "A" when using the crossback configuration.
Woosatch A is $150.00
Gives ya the option of using the remainder of the cash for your personal preference of pouches..
I'll try and get some pics up for ya asap..

CXS



It looks exactly like a MAV with a bib and the leftovers from a rifleman FLC kit.

No fucking way it's worth $250.

Use $90 for a MAV and a bib and troll surplus stores or the EE for FLC pouches.

ETA: My bad, it also has 3 blatantly-ripped-off-design TT 2-mag 5.56 pouches.  That's another $60.
4/1/2009 3:05:30 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Also, take this for what its worth..

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2009/022009/02102009/444818


4 plant workers charged over deportation orders

Make a post about this story on FredTalk. Get a printer-friendly version of this page. E-mail this story to a friend.

FLS Customer Care
Immigration officials arrest four employees of city business

BY EMILY BATTLE

Date published: 2/10/2009

BY EMILY BATTLE

Four employees of L.B. Technologies in Fredericksburg have been arrested by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement because they had been given final orders for deportation by an immigration judge.

ICE found the employees after reviewing L.B. Technologies' employment records, according to an ICE spokeswoman.

The agency subpoenaed to obtain those records after a routine fire inspection of the building L.B. Technologies leases at 404 Willis St. caused Fredericksburg officials to shut the building down and call in the federal agency. According to city police, the roughly 50 employees found at the scene when the fire marshal arrived all fled when city police showed up.

ICE determined there was probable cause to believe illegal immigrants were working at the business.

ICE, along with the General Services Administration, the Office of the Inspector General, the Department of Labor's wage and hour division and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms continue to investigate L.B. Technologies.

The company, which makes apparel under U.S. military contracts, is run by John P. Straiton, who was convicted in 1986 of selling faulty Yugoslavian ammunition as an American product to the government of El Salvador under a U.S. military contract.

L.B. Technologies has no business license to operate in the city, and had no occupancy permit to be in the Willis Street building.

That building remains classified as unsafe, which means no one can enter without a permit from the city building official. Building Official Steve Smallwood has permitted Straiton to enter the building, but nobody else.

Business cannot resume at that location until Straiton gets permits and inspections for a number of alterations that were made to the building.

Smallwood said Straiton had not begun the permitting process as of yesterday.

Emily Battle: 540/374-5413
Email: [email protected]


Read more stories about Fredericksburg
Date published: 2/10/2009 .


CXS



Just as bad as the Michael Bianco factory with the MOLLE II contracts to supplement SDS.  
4/1/2009 11:14:20 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:

It looks exactly like a MAV with a bib and the leftovers from a rifleman FLC kit.

No fucking way it's worth $250.

Use $90 for a MAV and a bib and troll surplus stores or the EE for FLC pouches.

ETA: My bad, it also has 3 blatantly-ripped-off-design TT 2-mag 5.56 pouches.  That's another $60.


This kits looks very similar to the TT MAV for a reason.  Look at the history of the rig...

Back in the day, TT produced the RACK for some guys in the 75th.  It was basically a MAV with the BIB sewn on, and the pouches sewn down onto the body of the rig itself.  The rig was very popular, so big Army looked at solicitations for a modular version of the same rig for wider distribution.  For reasons unknown to me, SDS got the contract to make the RACK.  They produced it to spec for the Army, based on the original TT design (but modular).  Eventually, the MAV evolved into what it is today, with a removeable bib and modular pouches (or sewn pouches in a modified configuration).  The RACK also evolved over time to what you see linked by the OP, now produced by AITES (LB Tech).  The canteen pouch and radio pouches have been redesigned.

The pouches for the FLC rifleman kit were taken from the RACK, so those are the same.  Blackhawk came along very quickly behind SDS and copied the RACK (exactly)... surprise!

It's not a bad deal for $210 (MSRP $250), considering MSRP on the same items from TT is over $310.  However, most people won't need 4x M4 pouches, 4x grenade pouches, and 2x radio pouches.  If you just get the pouches you need, it will probably be comparable in price, and with TT you get the lifetime warranty and pay homage to the originator of the design... but they don't offer it in coyote brown like AITES.

Good luck!
-Randy
4/2/2009 4:47:16 AM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Quoted:

It looks exactly like a MAV with a bib and the leftovers from a rifleman FLC kit.

No fucking way it's worth $250.

Use $90 for a MAV and a bib and troll surplus stores or the EE for FLC pouches.

ETA: My bad, it also has 3 blatantly-ripped-off-design TT 2-mag 5.56 pouches.  That's another $60.


This kits looks very similar to the TT MAV for a reason.  Look at the history of the rig...

Back in the day, TT produced the RACK for some guys in the 75th.  It was basically a MAV with the BIB sewn on, and the pouches sewn down onto the body of the rig itself.  The rig was very popular, so big Army looked at solicitations for a modular version of the same rig for wider distribution.  For reasons unknown to me, SDS got the contract to make the RACK.  They produced it to spec for the Army, based on the original TT design (but modular).  Eventually, the MAV evolved into what it is today, with a removeable bib and modular pouches (or sewn pouches in a modified configuration).  The RACK also evolved over time to what you see linked by the OP, now produced by AITES (LB Tech).  The canteen pouch and radio pouches have been redesigned.

The pouches for the FLC rifleman kit were taken from the RACK, so those are the same.  Blackhawk came along very quickly behind SDS and copied the RACK (exactly)... surprise!

It's not a bad deal for $210 (MSRP $250), considering MSRP on the same items from TT is over $310.  However, most people won't need 4x M4 pouches, 4x grenade pouches, and 2x radio pouches.  If you just get the pouches you need, it will probably be comparable in price, and with TT you get the lifetime warranty and pay homage to the originator of the design... but they don't offer it in coyote brown like AITES.

Good luck!
-Randy


i need cb. why cant tt make cb? it kind of erks me when i see tac manufacturers that dont offer that color. no one uses khaki anymore.

4/2/2009 6:01:36 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
i need cb. why cant tt make cb? it kind of erks me when i see tac manufacturers that dont offer that color. no one uses khaki anymore.



I don't understand why they don't offer coyote as a standard color.  They could get so much more USMC and civilian business!

Actually, most of my gear is khaki (MJK Eagle) or coyoteish (Emdom).  My SOTech coyote pouch is the exact same color as my MJK Eagle CIRAS.  It blends well enough together... my belt is coyote and mixes well with everything else.  Anyways, Tactical Tailor's offered color is "tan" and noticeably lighter than all of the above.  I put a TT E&E pouch on the back of my CIRAS and it stuck out like a sore thumb, until it was in Iraq long enough to get its first coat of dirt.

If you want the RACK design and need coyote, Paraclete makes one... of course it has a Paraclete price tag as well.  Eagle has made runs of their RRV in coyote if you can find one.  I think TAG makes one as well... now they cost more that Paraclete!

Good luck!
-Randy
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