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Originally Posted By 0uTkAsT:
Shameless bump. I'm looking for the slimmest/flattest horizontal belt mountable med pouch possible that can accommodate a flat folded windlass TQ, hemostatic gauze, gloves and a 4" pressure bandage. Is the BFG Micro TKN my best option, and can/will it hold what I need it to? I have yet to see one in person so I'm having a hard time gauging its actual size and capacity. View Quote Recommend watching the videos on their product page to get a better idea of size. I am very satisfied with mine, but as with all things there are trades. Another option for low profile belt mount might be this along with the Dark Angel TQ Holder. Additional pics with Sharpie for size reference: |
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The BFG pouch will hold plenty of necessary items, however the TQ is not going to fit.
If you are ok with mounting the TQ to you gear separately or on the outside of the BFG pouch you are likely ok. Side note: I am really glad to see this thread moving again! |
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Originally Posted By unine:I think the BFG Micro TKN is too small for the items you listed. (especially the TQ)
Recommend watching the videos on their product page to get a better idea of size. I am very satisfied with mine, but as with all things there are trades. Another option for low profile belt mount might be this along with the Dark Angel TQ Holder. Additional pics with Sharpie for size reference: https://s7.postimg.org/c5kjm63iz/BFGMicro1.jpg https://s7.postimg.org/ok7bmi2qz/BFGMicro2.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By unine:I think the BFG Micro TKN is too small for the items you listed. (especially the TQ)
Recommend watching the videos on their product page to get a better idea of size. I am very satisfied with mine, but as with all things there are trades. Another option for low profile belt mount might be this along with the Dark Angel TQ Holder. Additional pics with Sharpie for size reference: https://s7.postimg.org/c5kjm63iz/BFGMicro1.jpg https://s7.postimg.org/ok7bmi2qz/BFGMicro2.jpg Originally Posted By Badaim:
Not sure about the BFG pouch, but LBT's 9022B pouch will fit all that in a very slim package. Originally Posted By RayJaxShooter:
The BFG pouch will hold plenty of necessary items, however the TQ is not going to fit. If you are ok with mounting the TQ to you gear separately or on the outside of the BFG pouch you are likely ok. Side note: I am really glad to see this thread moving again! |
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Congrats and thanks for the update. If your willing, would be interested in a fully loaded pic and list of contents whenever you are done.
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I know this opens from the top but looks like it might fit the need for a low pro belt mount kit with TQ. Looks like you could use a Raven Concealment Moduloader Frame on it instead of the Malice clips if you so desired.
http://darkangelmedical.com/edc-kit/ I carry their Pocket DARK Mini kit in my front pants pocket as my EDC. I also keep the Pocket DARK Junior with a CAT tourniquet and Hyfin Vent Chest Seals in a pocket on my man purse/lap top bag that goes pretty much everywhere I do. |
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Originally Posted By Boats75:
I know this opens from the top but looks like it might fit the need for a low pro belt mount kit with TQ. Looks like you could use a Raven Concealment Moduloader Frame on it instead of the Malice clips if you so desired. http://darkangelmedical.com/edc-kit/ I carry their Pocket DARK Mini kit in my front pants pocket as my EDC. I also keep the Pocket DARK Junior with a CAT tourniquet and Hyfin Vent Chest Seals in a pocket on my man purse/lap top bag that goes pretty much everywhere I do. View Quote |
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Best part about Dark Angel if you have to use the kit to save a life they'll replace it. Luckily I've never had to take them up on the offer.
Before I bought their kit I built my own. I took the items I had from my old kit, threw them in a Ziploc bag and keep them in my range bag. Just a thought, ultimately your money your call. |
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Has anyone had experience with both the Chinook Medical IFAK pouch and the Dark Angel? I'm curious as to how they compare. Right now I'm leaning towards the Chinook.
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Alright, I volunteer as tribute to get going again. I have a few different varieties. The first one I ever bought was a TacMed Solutions Operator's IFAK. It usually sits in my shooting bag for range use. My duty plate carrier has a Dark Angel Medical D.A.R.K. Gen 3, and I've got another one sitting in my closet as a spare. On my personal AVS I have an ATS fold out med tray in a TT triple M4 pouch, and a separate NAR CAT pouch right next to it. My primary assault pack (MR Komodo Dragon) has an ATS medium GP pouch on the side with an issued Phokus group IFAK that's supposed to fit behind your front plate (no thanks) stuffed inside of it, my other work backpack has a vacuum sealed trauma kit refill that I was given by my previous unit (nice and flat so doesn't take up much space), and finally I've got an HSGI Bleeder as a GSW kit on my battle belt.
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Originally Posted By bigstick61: Has anyone had experience with both the Chinook Medical IFAK pouch and the Dark Angel? I'm curious as to how they compare. Right now I'm leaning towards the Chinook. View Quote I just received my dark angel slim kit and I am very happy with the quality of the pouch and insert. It is a little pricey at $200 but you can supposedly send in the kit in the event it is actually used and they will refill/replace it. Of course you could just by any pouch from $20-100 and the supplies separately and probably come out around $150 total but the convenience of buying all together is nice, and the decomp needle is a little harder to come by separately. I spent about $125 on my trex kit buying the pouch and supplies separately and it’s smaller but not as well stocked |
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As an inexpensive tear-away pouch, this has been working well for me:
Failed To Load Product Data Has plenty of room for what I carry: Shears, 4" compression bandage, Celox applicator, hemostatic gauze, 2 vented chest seals, TQ, wipes & gloves. Tomac |
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Originally Posted By Tomac: As an inexpensive tear-away pouch, this has been working well for me: www.amazon.com/dp/B08LVQJD5C Has plenty of room for what I carry: Shears, 4" compression bandage, Celox applicator, hemostatic gauze, 2 vented chest seals, TQ, wipes & gloves. Tomac View Quote Well I can’t NOT order one....😬 |
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I know this might be a longshot; but, could anyone recommend an IFAK pouch that DOES NOT use zippers? It is difficult to find a US Army surplus multicam one online (at a decent price).
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Originally Posted By joker581: Originally Posted By Beetle: I know this might be a longshot; but, could anyone recommend an IFAK pouch that DOES NOT use zippers? It is difficult to find a US Army surplus multicam one online (at a decent price). SOTech Viper. @joker581 Thank you for the suggestion. Yes, it meets the requirement; but is over twice as expensive as a surplus US Army IFAK pouch. Kinda defeats the purpose, right? |
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Originally Posted By Beetle: I know this might be a longshot; but, could anyone recommend an IFAK pouch that DOES NOT use zippers? It is difficult to find a US Army surplus multicam one online (at a decent price). View Quote Not sure what your budget is going off your last post, but I've been happy with my LTC Responder pouch. Holds everything I need and nothing I don't for a belt mounted IFAK. |
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Originally Posted By DEDX: Not sure what your budget is going off your last post, but I've been happy with my LTC Responder pouch. Holds everything I need and nothing I don't for a belt mounted IFAK. View Quote The budget is of course for an EMPTY pouch that is at the same price or cheaper than a us army surplus multicam IFAK pouch/insert. Like I said, the question was a long shot. |
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I pieced together my own IFAK contents. I'm not a big fan of the kits I've seen that are sold as a package deal. I'm a big fan though of the Israeli combat bandages, which are a bit bulky and I know not everyone likes them for that reason, but I like how easy they are to use under pressure and quick they are. For me, I always want a few pairs of non-latex gloves as well, I see so many guys with just one pair and I've seen those things rip or guys discard them and then "oh man, I need them again."
In terms of chest seals I have both the Halo and the Hyfin Compact, I highly prefer the Hyfin Compact, because the Halo packaging is just huge. I know some guys like the Halo, and if size wasn't an issue at all I'd much rather have the Halo on hand. It's just for my IFAK the size of the Halo was too big. I'm planning on doing a much more extensive stand alone Medical Pack with a lot more kit and the Halos will go inside it. |
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You do not want the issued pouch, it is total garbage. Nothing wrong with zipper pouches. I prefer them because they keep the dust out. Zip closure pouch that Velcros to a molle base and tears off is best of both worlds imo
Another great option if you absolutely cannot have zippers is a pull out insert shoved into a Velcro or fastex closure mag or utility pouch. The ATS one is a good product. |
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Originally Posted By berserker19: You do not want the issued pouch, it is total garbage. Nothing wrong with zipper pouches. I prefer them because they keep the dust out. Zip closure pouch that Velcros to a molle base and tears off is best of both worlds imo Another great option if you absolutely cannot have zippers is a pull out insert shoved into a Velcro or fastex closure mag or utility pouch. The ATS one is a good product. View Quote Out of curiosity, what don't you like about the issued poich? @berserker19 |
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Originally Posted By NotIssued: Out of curiosity, what don't you like about the issued poich? @berserker19 View Quote The molle footprint is huge for an ifak and it’s hard to actually find a spot to fit it. When filled it is absolutely massive and bulky for the stuff it holds. The retention of the insert is terrible, it always is trying to work itself out of the shell no matter how you pack it. So it pops out during a battle drill and you end up dragging it behind you with the cable like an idiot. It’s like the designer thought the soldier using it is a total moron, labeling each spot for you. Yea thanks I know what a bandage looks like without you printing it on the pouch. |
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Originally Posted By berserker19: The molle footprint is huge for an ifak and it’s hard to actually find a spot to fit it. When filled it is absolutely massive and bulky for the stuff it holds. The retention of the insert is terrible, it always is trying to work itself out of the shell no matter how you pack it. So it pops out during a battle drill and you end up dragging it behind you with the cable like an idiot. It’s like the designer thought the soldier using it is a total moron, labeling each spot for you. Yea thanks I know what a bandage looks like without you printing it on the pouch. View Quote This. And it also doesn't contain chest seals somehow..... |
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The T-Rex Arms medical kit is pretty nice if you're look for a small belt worn one. I have it and I like that it has the belt loops for attachment, make it sit very tight on the belt. The insert kit they offer is pretty good for the size as well. Overall, very pleased with it.
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Are there any good options for using a Dangler-type pouch for medical?
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Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470: Are there any good options for using a Dangler-type pouch for medical? View Quote I can't find them in stock, but the Haley Strategic Multi-Mission Hanger Medical Insert looks promising. The Shaw Concepts Raid pouch is pretty nice and would do well as a Medical hanger pouch. Some good reviews on Youtube, it's pretty big though. Ferro Concepts has been teasing for awhile a medical roll-up type hanger that looks interesting, but with the demands they've had for their current product line it could be awhile before we see it come to market. |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: I can't find them in stock, but the Haley Strategic Multi-Mission Hanger Medical Insert looks promising. The Shaw Concepts Raid pouch is pretty nice and would do well as a Medical hanger pouch. Some good reviews on Youtube, it's pretty big though. Ferro Concepts has been teasing for awhile a medical roll-up type hanger that looks interesting, but with the demands they've had for their current product line it could be awhile before we see it come to market. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470: Are there any good options for using a Dangler-type pouch for medical? I can't find them in stock, but the Haley Strategic Multi-Mission Hanger Medical Insert looks promising. The Shaw Concepts Raid pouch is pretty nice and would do well as a Medical hanger pouch. Some good reviews on Youtube, it's pretty big though. Ferro Concepts has been teasing for awhile a medical roll-up type hanger that looks interesting, but with the demands they've had for their current product line it could be awhile before we see it come to market. Haha, I was just coming back to say I might have answered my own question with the HSP insert. I went ahead and ordered their hanger, I'll just have to keep my eyes peeled for the insert. |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: I can't find them in stock, but the Haley Strategic Multi-Mission Hanger Medical Insert looks promising. The Shaw Concepts Raid pouch is pretty nice and would do well as a Medical hanger pouch. Some good reviews on Youtube, it's pretty big though. Ferro Concepts has been teasing for awhile a medical roll-up type hanger that looks interesting, but with the demands they've had for their current product line it could be awhile before we see it come to market. View Quote I bought some <$15 dangler off Amazon. Have been running it downrange for months now as an IFAK, and I am very impressed. Wish the velcro was a bit better on it, but it has never fallen off or come loose or anything. Just not as secure as the hook and loop that is on my actual kit. " /> |
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Originally Posted By ThickkSarge: I bought some <$15 dangler off Amazon. Have been running it downrange for months now as an IFAK, and I am very impressed. Wish the velcro was a bit better on it, but it has never fallen off or come loose or anything. Just not as secure as the hook and loop that is on my actual kit. https://i.ibb.co/DVqXHNT/IMG-20201024-191144-317.jpg" target="_blank">https://i.ibb.co/DVqXHNT/IMG-20201024-191144-317.jpg View Quote If it works it work. I think the hangers makes a lot of sense for an IFAK unless you're Airborne or otherwise jumping or doing a lot of water work (velcro doesn't like water) I'd say they'd be good choice. I like my set-up so that I can sit down in a vehicle or otherwise for that matter so I'm not a fan of having bulky stuff on my sides or back. Some velcro will wear over time. In fact, I find the multicam velcro actually seems to wear a bit sooner for some reason so watch out for anything with multicam velcro. I know at least on my Patagonia L9 the velcro on those pants wears out and they suck if you have to be in the water for a long period with them. I used to wonder why the Navy likes everything to have a button, now I know. |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: If it works it work. I think the hangers makes a lot of sense for an IFAK unless you're Airborne or otherwise jumping or doing a lot of water work (velcro doesn't like water) I'd say they'd be good choice. I like my set-up so that I can sit down in a vehicle or otherwise for that matter so I'm not a fan of having bulky stuff on my sides or back. Some velcro will wear over time. In fact, I find the multicam velcro actually seems to wear a bit sooner for some reason so watch out for anything with multicam velcro. I know at least on my Patagonia L9 the velcro on those pants wears out and they suck if you have to be in the water for a long period with them. I used to wonder why the Navy likes everything to have a button, now I know. View Quote I have actually done quite a bit of repelling and FRIES and such with it, holds up great. It is great for a vehicle. I actually couldn't be happier with it. |
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Originally Posted By ThickkSarge: I bought some <$15 dangler off Amazon. Have been running it downrange for months now as an IFAK, and I am very impressed. Wish the velcro was a bit better on it, but it has never fallen off or come loose or anything. Just not as secure as the hook and loop that is on my actual kit. https://i.ibb.co/DVqXHNT/IMG-20201024-191144-317.jpg" target="_blank">https://i.ibb.co/DVqXHNT/IMG-20201024-191144-317.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ThickkSarge: Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: I can't find them in stock, but the Haley Strategic Multi-Mission Hanger Medical Insert looks promising. The Shaw Concepts Raid pouch is pretty nice and would do well as a Medical hanger pouch. Some good reviews on Youtube, it's pretty big though. Ferro Concepts has been teasing for awhile a medical roll-up type hanger that looks interesting, but with the demands they've had for their current product line it could be awhile before we see it come to market. I bought some <$15 dangler off Amazon. Have been running it downrange for months now as an IFAK, and I am very impressed. Wish the velcro was a bit better on it, but it has never fallen off or come loose or anything. Just not as secure as the hook and loop that is on my actual kit. https://i.ibb.co/DVqXHNT/IMG-20201024-191144-317.jpg" target="_blank">https://i.ibb.co/DVqXHNT/IMG-20201024-191144-317.jpg Link? |
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View Quote I have one. If you don't have access to regular medical equipment it works well. I got mine in sale around Christmas, for that price it was worth the cash. Compact, easy to manipulate, and fits well. My only gripe is that it is a double magazine pouch off your molle webbing so placement took a while to figure out. |
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WTF is up with this bullshit anti-bayo lug crap. Was there a group of irrate japanese guys bonzai charging disabled school children and puppies that I wasn't aware of?
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Might get drug for my choice of pouch but it works for me and didn’t cost a fortune.
It’s a Condor EMT LITE tear away. I assembled the contents based on researching what was recommended. I didn’t include a vent needle because I don’t know how to use it. Everything else I’ve at least practiced on a dummy. I also added celox hemostatic gauze. It’s at the 2 o’clock on my PC. I can reach the TQ with either hand as well as tear the pouch away. The pic doesn’t show the tq holster because I was waiting on my NAR OD green holster to come in. Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By enforcer5369: Might get drug for my choice of pouch but it works for me and didn’t cost a fortune. It’s a Condor EMT LITE tear away. I assembled the contents based on researching what was recommended. I didn’t include a vent needle because I don’t know how to use it. Everything else I’ve at least practiced on a dummy. I also added celox hemostatic gauze. It’s at the 2 o’clock on my PC. I can reach the TQ with either hand as well as tear the pouch away. The pic doesn’t show the tq holster because I was waiting on my NAR OD green holster to come in.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/104899/8EF10DE3-32E5-45B3-81A4-9EC9E5EBD11D_jpe-1846218.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/104899/002F427E-5D42-4724-9515-2119CA92D1E8_jpe-1846219.JPG View Quote There's nothing wrong with having a needle, even if you don't know how to use it. Maybe a buddy who does is near you, or even a rando in the area who used to be a 68W or corpsman or something. Besides, your IFAK is for you or others to use on you, and I'm pretty sure that if you're to the point where you have a tension pneumothorax that needs decompression, you'll be in no condition to use that thing on yourself. |
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Originally Posted By QuickReactions: There's nothing wrong with having a needle, even if you don't know how to use it. Maybe a buddy who does is near you, or even a rando in the area who used to be a 68W or corpsman or something. Besides, your IFAK is for you or others to use on you, and I'm pretty sure that if you're to the point where you have a tension pneumothorax that needs decompression, you'll be in no condition to use that thing on yourself. View Quote Good point |
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Really good thread. Read it all the way through. Interesting how information and tactics change over the course of 13 years.
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I have an hsgi BB pouch thats old tbh and I never actually got around to filling it out.
Whats a good kit to make good use of the size of the pouch and what are good shears for the shears slot on the backside? |
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After taking TNVC Night Fighter 101, I decided I needed re-work my belt. They were very prescriptive about everyone having an IFAK on their person, not in a range bag. I had a TQ on my belt, but nothing else medical.
Having experienced a spinal injury (extremely painful, but not permanently damaging) during a Defensive Tactics session long ago, I am extremely wary about having any gear on my belt positioned on my back. I stripped off a dump pouch (never used it, even in bad weather) and a second rifle mag pouch. Even after removing those, a couple of the larger IFAKs I tried seemed like a huge barnacle, likely to get caught on things in the environment, and a potential source of injury in a fall. Looking through my nylon gear box, I found an old smoke grenade pouch. I was able to cram a TQ, Israeli bandage, and gloves into it, without being substantially larger than the rifle magazine it replaced. It is easily reachable on my support side, with a second TQ available on my strong side. All of that stuff is well clear of my spine. I feel like this a significant upgrade over what I had on my belt before. I will of course have a complete set of med gear in a tear-away IFAK on my range bag as well, in case things get really sporty. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Beetle: I know this might be a longshot; but, could anyone recommend an IFAK pouch that DOES NOT use zippers? It is difficult to find a US Army surplus multicam one online (at a decent price). View Quote HSGI Bleeder Blowout doesn't use zippers, but you're also extremely limited on space. Pretty sure all I was able to cram inside of mine was a 4" israeli bandage, an NPA, and a pair of shears in the back MOLLE webbing. I had to pirate the hair tie stash in my fiancee's bathroom drawer to secure my CAT to the outside until I bought one of those BFG TQ NOW straps. |
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