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Understood. I'm just trying not to get perforated, and not become a heat casualty due to having too much on. I understand that it is NOT level IV standing alone, but ONLY with a level II vest underneath it. I am not talking about the one that is in-conjunction with level III. To quote their website:
That's approximately the level of protection I would need, at a weight I can carry, and without overheating. I'll google your outfit, as well, and have a look. Anything in this biz is a compromise. After I get on with a good outfit, then I will be able to afford better equipment, if it is not already issued. Right now, I'm going to be coming off of a lower quality contract, and will have to have my own equipment, with the money I currently have. |
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| Looked at www.practicaltactical.net. He has a Level IV aramid/Aluminum Oxide composite stand-alone for just a little more than the BulletProofMe.com in-conjunction plate. BTW, do you have REAR plates of that, or just front ones? I am looking for both. |
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The Triple Curve plates can be used front and rear. PM inbound. |
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Any feelings on this stuff in the EE? Too good to be true for stand-alone? CLICK ME I should say that I am only looking for some stand alone stuff for shoot-houses and maybe one trip to Africa... |
Don't know about the quality but most folks seem to prefer the operator cut. |
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| Interesting. I will have to read this more when I am looking for some body armor. |
The person who has nothing for which they are willing to fight, nothing more important than personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
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Can anyone tell me about these plates? I hope you can read the pic if not this is how it reads: Model;12244-5.56-1 (Type IV) complies with IAW NIJ STD 0101.03 including Bakface Deformation (blunt trauma) For:Type Iv-30.06 AP M2up to 2800FPS |
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I can only offer opinion on the steel, but it's what I'm considering for myself. I think the steel might do better with multiple closely-spaced hits. The steel plates also are the most 'durable' option it seems, since they don't have the heat sensitivity issues of the polyethylene or the susceptibility to cracking that ceramic plates have. They also tend to be cheaper. The main disadvantage to steel that I see is the issue with bullet splatter. It's no fun catching bullet fragments- especially since I can see how the fragments could possibly come up at such an angle as to get past your eye protection. I've seen it suggested to take the layers out of an old kevlar vest and layer them in front and behind the plate to help with the problems of splatter and spall. One way I thought up to test the kevlar-over-steel would involve buying a cheap steel plate, covering it with a few layers of old vest kevlar, and attaching cardboard/wood around the plate to make a shape like a packing-box-turned-on-end. Then shoot the plate and see how well the kevlar works in preventing the fragments from perforating the 'sides' of the box where they are closest to the plate. Hopefully the kevlar will trap any fragments that try to deflect outside a cone of, say, 60 degrees off the face of the plate. Check out the review Dr. Roberts did on a new, coated, steel plate over on the Terminal Ballistics section at the Tactical Forums. |
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I have had two Point Blank vests and have had no issues. I am due for a third and will be looking at that company again. |
I noticed that no one ever posted pics of these. I've had a set for nearly a year, and love them. I'm likely going to grab a second set if they're still priced right after the first of the year. I'll edit this post in a bit and add some quick pics of my Botach CPC plates. ETA Plate Pics:     |
thanks Tim..I'm seriously looking at your level 4 standalone plates on your website :) |
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I'd go for it. The ceramics are definitely worth it if you don't 'mishandle' them. And they're not as fragile as people like to make out. Don't slam them into each other, and don't drop them on the concrete, and you're good. I wouldn't do these things with steel plates, either, despite the fact that they're crack-proof. If you can manage to take care of your things, you have nothing to fear from ceramics. |
| OK, this is for anyone who has gotten the Inter-American Securities Inc. Level III steel plates. I got mine yesterday. I was surprised to find that there is nothing covering the plates. No nylon, no labels! I was reassured by the company that they are level III stand alone, but at least a label would make me feel better, not to mention if I ever sold them to someone else. I went ahead and made spall covers from some kevlar panels I had lying around, not a big issue. Anyone else buy these plates without labels on them? I would not think this is standard practice among armor plate companies. |
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I have set of their 8x10 level 111 steel plates and they have a black nylon cover and no tags. Also, it feels like there is a piece of foam over the outside face of the plate under the nylon cover. Is your plate painted grey? If so it maybe made by international body armor. I know the level 111 5x8 steel plates inter-american sells are from International body armor and are painted the same light grey as the level 111 Titanium/Steel plates pictured on the International armor wedsite. |
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I got a set like these tit/steel, I also applied four layers of kevlar, also use level3a panel on the back side. http://www.internationalbodyarmor.com/BodyArmor/HardArmor/TitaniumPlate/ The other set of plates I have, does have spall guard in front and covered in ballistic nylon, this is also rated level3 stand alone. http://www.interamer.net/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=138 The tit/steel plates is a little thicker. TG  |
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http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4829/asans001wy3.jpg Bought at ebay.de. Meets the german "Schutzklasse 3". The only think i need now are soft inlays for my SDS OTV. I hope i find some. Btw: Difference betwen german and american protection class: Link |
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I have a question. I have a set of Ceramic plates that were given to me and i wanted to know if they are worth anything. They are manufactured by Tactical Armor Products. They are size 9.5x 11.5 and are Gamma Plus manufactured in 2003. If there is any info that can be provided it would be greately appreciated. Thanks, Pete |
Not yet, unless you're a felon, or committing a crime while using it. But that's okay. They're working on denying you protection right now: Bill to Prevent Civilian Purchase of Body Armor in NY |
That is what I got too.  Gunman, when did you order yours. I was slightly disconcerted...
 Not quite this ymmv ETA: I dont really consider a "fold" or "bend" to be an operator cut. |
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
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No they bent the center horizontaly so it would "curve" to the body... The angles at the top are operator cut. I was expecting the conture to be at least similar to their ad on the web.
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
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Ah, okay. I'm not surprised. I've never seen a triple curve steel plate. Rather shitty of them to put an image of a ceramic plate up. |
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yes, please. I was distinctly under the impression that I was purchasing a curved plate, with appropriate cuts, spall guard and a FRICKING LABEL. I had spoken to an individual in the company before I ordered and did ask questions and was under the impression I was receiving a name brand plate. For all I know some bubba just cut this, put it in a shop press and painted it. I need to give them a call tommorow and see what the deal is. I will update. If I had seen a picture of these in advance and chosen not to believe ghillie716 got exactly what I ordered, I would have just droped the extra change on Kejo plates... |
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
Sigmund Freud
Sigmund Freud
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Their use to be some pictures floating around of these plate being shot with 7.62x39, 556 and .308 nato. I have a new pc now,no longer have pixs on hand, but this plate stoped the round mention. I also have a set of tit/steel plates, it didnt come with spall guard, had to add my own. TG |
Keep us posted, like to know myself, cause I dont wish to point any future customers in their direction, if their going to start taking short cuts to save on money. TG  |
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Update: Spoke with Russ at Inter-American just a minute ago. I asked why the plates were not marked with a label, SN, manufacture or rating? I was first given the explanation that they were a GSA company and misrepresenting any products was a felony for them. That GSA is a four star rating, everything they sell is USGI approved as supplied to the troops. When I asked how I could tell, other than the company's word that my plates were in fact made of ballistic steel, who the manufacturer was, why there were no identifying marks on the plate, and why other plates had been sent with a cover and a spall guard and mine had not, I was just asked if I wanted to return them. I just wanted a few questions answered, the questions were deflected and I was asked if I wanted to return them. I said yes, was told the address to return them to was on the box, and to address it to Russ. That was the end of it. No explanations, other than "the company is GSA rated." No offer to pay return shipping, no apologies. I was polite and calm, but had a few questions. And the best part is that I am sure I will get boned on the shipping.  ETA: I also just noiticed, if you look in the picture I posted you can see it too. There is a little hole the size of a ball point pen tip in the lower right part of each plate. |
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
Sigmund Freud
Sigmund Freud
I smell bullshit of some sort. Not saying the plates aren't the real deal, but if he can't even answer some simple questions to allay the concerns of a customer, there's something going on. I've never spoken to anyone who sells body armor who wasn't happy to answer any questions I had. This is, after all, material that you are betting your life on. Apparently Russ here neglects the power of word-of-mouth. For the response you received alone, I will never purchase anything from Inter-American. (And if they're so hoity-toity GSA certified, why don't they say that anywhere on their site? 'US Government certified supplier' just doesn't mean the same, to me.) |
| I was rather miffed myself. And the thing that makes me laugh on the inside is that as a Marine, I have NEVER seen anything of worth, EXPECIALLY ARMOR that excluded a Serial Number. |
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
Sigmund Freud
Sigmund Freud
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