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Posted: 12/28/2012 12:34:27 PM EDT
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I've got an 870. Looking for a good enough semi for my wife that has less recoil than the 870. Benelli is nice but $$$. What is a good choice? Mossberg 930 with factory extended tube?
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| One option is to go to Dick's and buy one of the Stoeger semi autos. Stoegeris owned by Benelli and their semi-autos are Benellis, made on Benelli equipment, with different stocks and a different name on the side for a fraction of the price. The last time I looked at them, I believe they were $399. |
| Why not drop down to a 20ga 870. With a good recoil pad it should be managable. Remington even makes a 20ga 870 HD model. I would think it would have plenty of stopping power with quality ammo and in close range HD situations. I want to add one more 12 ga 870 to my collection and then go for a 20ga 870. |
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Thanks that sounds like a great option. Thanks all for your thoughts.
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One option is to go to Dick's and buy one of the Stoeger semi autos. Stoegeris owned by Benelli and their semi-autos are Benellis, made on Benelli equipment, with different stocks and a different name on the side for a fraction of the price. The last time I looked at them, I believe they were $399. |
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Remington 1100, 11-87, Versa max even a 1148 (first pics) for cost and value
Winchester 1400 older but works good, superX Mossberg 9200 hey the work fine... my son and friend shoots one with no issue with reloads even Beretta 3901, AL390 391 all great guns but if you have the green get the A400 excel hands down the best sporting auto I have ever owned.. I have owned or owned all of the above feel free to asked any questions.. |
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One option is to go to Dick's and buy one of the Stoeger semi autos. Stoegeris owned by Benelli and their semi-autos are Benellis, made on Benelli equipment, with different stocks and a different name on the side for a fraction of the price. The last time I looked at them, I believe they were $399. This interests me however, I'm interested in a slug gun, but I don't see one on Stoeger's website. Anyone know if they make one? |
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One option is to go to Dick's and buy one of the Stoeger semi autos. Stoegeris owned by Benelli and their semi-autos are Benellis, made on Benelli equipment, with different stocks and a different name on the side for a fraction of the price. The last time I looked at them, I believe they were $399. This interests me however, I'm interested in a slug gun, but I don't see one on Stoeger's website. Anyone know if they make one? 31524*18.5"Black Synthetic Pistol Grip39-3/4"6.9 lbs.$509 here There is no rear sight though. You can also get a 20" cantilever barrel here But its 200 bucks and you cant buy it on a gun. i have heard of a combo coming with that barrel One thing is this shotgun has a 14 1/2" LOP. But it feels longer than a gun with the same |
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One option is to go to Dick's and buy one of the Stoeger semi autos. Stoegeris owned by Benelli and their semi-autos are Benellis, made on Benelli equipment, with different stocks and a different name on the side for a fraction of the price. The last time I looked at them, I believe they were $399. This is not correct. The only thing they share is the patented inertia system. The quality of the Stoeger is nowhere near Benelli level. They will not stand up to any real volume shooting and are just not a Benelli in any way shape or form. My choice is the 1100/1187. I love them and they can usually be found used for very little money. |
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One option is to go to Dick's and buy one of the Stoeger semi autos. Stoegeris owned by Benelli and their semi-autos are Benellis, made on Benelli equipment, with different stocks and a different name on the side for a fraction of the price. The last time I looked at them, I believe they were $399. This is not correct. The only thing they share is the patented inertia system. The quality of the Stoeger is nowhere near Benelli level. They will not stand up to any real volume shooting and are just not a Benelli in any way shape or form. My choice is the 1100/1187. I love them and they can usually be found used for very little money. As many rounds as a Benelli? you probably right. Will you get your moneys worth ? Yes. Brian Enos has been shooting one and it held up fine. So has mine. 2500 or so without one malfunction. |
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I am glad yours works. We have seen a handful of them not even make it through a full sporting clays season. I just found it interesting that we sold a a fraction of the stoegers as we did benellis and still have way more that we had to send back.
There is always the exception to the rule but I would bet if you took 10 M2s and 10 stoeger equivalents and ran them for a season or two of 3 gun it would be interesting. |
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I really think 99% of the gun owners out there are way too concerned with the useful life, round count wise, of the guns they buy. I know that if I didn't cast all my bullets out of free wheelweights and buy all my primers and powder in bulk (100 pounds of powder at a time and 20,000 primers per order) to save money, I know I couldn't shoot 1/50 of what I'm fortunate enough to.
Unless someone is really filthy rich, they aren't going to be able to afford to shoot out a Hi-Point, let alone a quality firearm. Sure, the Stoegermay not be the full quality of the Benelli, but I'm willing to bet that most shooters wouldn't know the difference. If your wife is in the market for an auto, pick up a Stoeger over a more expensive Benelli or Remington and spend the money you saved on some bulk ammo. |
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I really think 99% of the gun owners out there are way too concerned with the useful life, round count wise, of the guns they buy. I know that if I didn't cast all my bullets out of free wheelweights and buy all my primers and powder in bulk (100 pounds of powder at a time and 20,000 primers per order) to save money, I know I couldn't shoot 1/50 of what I'm fortunate enough to. Unless someone is really filthy rich, they aren't going to be able to afford to shoot out a Hi-Point, let alone a quality firearm. Sure, the Stoegermay not be the full quality of the Benelli, but I'm willing to bet that most shooters wouldn't know the difference. If your wife is in the market for an auto, pick up a Stoeger over a more expensive Benelli or Remington and spend the money you saved on some bulk ammo. Absolutely, completely, and wholeheartedly disagree. I dont have the money, or the time, for cheap guns. There is nothing more aggravating than a cheap auto shotgun. |
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I really think 99% of the gun owners out there are way too concerned with the useful life, round count wise, of the guns they buy. I know that if I didn't cast all my bullets out of free wheelweights and buy all my primers and powder in bulk (100 pounds of powder at a time and 20,000 primers per order) to save money, I know I couldn't shoot 1/50 of what I'm fortunate enough to. Unless someone is really filthy rich, they aren't going to be able to afford to shoot out a Hi-Point, let alone a quality firearm. Sure, the Stoegermay not be the full quality of the Benelli, but I'm willing to bet that most shooters wouldn't know the difference. If your wife is in the market for an auto, pick up a Stoeger over a more expensive Benelli or Remington and spend the money you saved on some bulk ammo. Absolutely, completely, and wholeheartedly disagree. I dont have the money, or the time, for cheap guns. There is nothing more aggravating than a cheap auto shotgun. Yup. No question that most people will never shoot a gun out. They dont have the time or money to do so regardless of what they tell their shooting buddies. Problem is the cheap guns are a roll of the dice. I argued with a guy that told me his taurus was great even though it had been back 3 times  You just cant reason with that kind of logic
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I really think 99% of the gun owners out there are way too concerned with the useful life, round count wise, of the guns they buy. I know that if I didn't cast all my bullets out of free wheelweights and buy all my primers and powder in bulk (100 pounds of powder at a time and 20,000 primers per order) to save money, I know I couldn't shoot 1/50 of what I'm fortunate enough to. Unless someone is really filthy rich, they aren't going to be able to afford to shoot out a Hi-Point, let alone a quality firearm. Sure, the Stoegermay not be the full quality of the Benelli, but I'm willing to bet that most shooters wouldn't know the difference. If your wife is in the market for an auto, pick up a Stoeger over a more expensive Benelli or Remington and spend the money you saved on some bulk ammo. Absolutely, completely, and wholeheartedly disagree. I dont have the money, or the time, for cheap guns. There is nothing more aggravating than a cheap auto shotgun. I'm not saying to go buy some Chinese POS, What I am saying is the Stoeger is a decent quality shotgun that has a proven reliability track record In competition, although not a huge amount of them being used, and costs a fraction of what a Benelli does. If it was not a reliable shotgun, I wouldn't have even brought it up. I only know one semi-auto Stoeger owner, and he is satisfied. I agree that an unreliable anything is a waste of time and money. If someone has a Stoeger horror story, and I'm sure there are some out there like there is with ANY firearm, please tell us about them. Honestly, if you are someone who only puts 500 rounds through their shotgun per year, a Benelli is a waste of money when you can buy a Stoeger, which is reliable, and have enough money left over for years worth of ammo. |
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I really think 99% of the gun owners out there are way too concerned with the useful life, round count wise, of the guns they buy. I know that if I didn't cast all my bullets out of free wheelweights and buy all my primers and powder in bulk (100 pounds of powder at a time and 20,000 primers per order) to save money, I know I couldn't shoot 1/50 of what I'm fortunate enough to. Unless someone is really filthy rich, they aren't going to be able to afford to shoot out a Hi-Point, let alone a quality firearm. Sure, the Stoegermay not be the full quality of the Benelli, but I'm willing to bet that most shooters wouldn't know the difference. If your wife is in the market for an auto, pick up a Stoeger over a more expensive Benelli or Remington and spend the money you saved on some bulk ammo. Absolutely, completely, and wholeheartedly disagree. I dont have the money, or the time, for cheap guns. There is nothing more aggravating than a cheap auto shotgun. I'm not saying to go buy some Chinese POS, What I am saying is the Stoeger is a decent quality shotgun that has a proven reliability track record In competition, although not a huge amount of them being used, and costs a fraction of what a Benelli does. If it was not a reliable shotgun, I wouldn't have even brought it up. I only know one semi-auto Stoeger owner, and he is satisfied. I agree that an unreliable anything is a waste of time and money. If someone has a Stoeger horror story, and I'm sure there are some out there like there is with ANY firearm, please tell us about them. Honestly, if you are someone who only puts 500 rounds through their shotgun per year, a Benelli is a waste of money when you can buy a Stoeger, which is reliable, and have enough money left over for years worth of ammo. A quality gun is never a waste of money. From my experience with shotguns, a Turkish POS isnt much higher on the ladder of quality than a Chinese POS. They are, however, prettier. As for Stoeger, the local store I hang out at, at sometimes work, sells Stoeger and Benelli. They sell about one Stoeger for every five Benellis. Guess how which one comes back more often with problems? Hint; It aint Benelli. |
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Relax buddy. I just made a recommendation for an affordable semi auto shotgun for someone's wife. Honestly, your post is the first negative thing I've ever heard about a Stoeger semi auto. No specific info, just that customers return a lot of them compared to Benelli's.
I have only had experience with one Stoeger, and it works flawlessly. If you took the time to read the OP's post, you would see that he is looking for something less expensive than a Benelli. So your recommendation to buy a Benelli isn't that much of a help, don't you think? Maybe the gunshop you work at sells Benelli's cheaper than anyone else and you were offering one to the OP? I don't know. So, to the OP, since you are looking for a semi auto less expensive than a Benelli for your wife, I still recommend checking out the Stoeger. My friend and his wife are happy with the one they shoot. But, if you can buy a Benelli less expensive than a Benelli, I agree with the previous post, if that makes sense to you, since it doesn't to me, umm, I think, maybe? |
| I was not at all suggesting he buy a Benelli, only that the Stoeger is not a Benelli, and the comparison is a poor one. Myself, I shoot an over under for hunting and clays. My sole semi auto shotgun is an 1187P that I use for HD/playing. If I were to suggest a decently priced semi auto for the original poster, a solid used 1100 or 1187 would be where I would point him. Very good guns, very soft shooting, and quite affordable. |
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Honestly, your post is the first negative thing I've ever heard about a Stoeger semi auto. No specific info, just that customers return a lot of them compared to Benelli's. There is plenty of negative info out there on Stoeger semi auto's just not on ARFCOM. I would go with a used Remington or new Mossberg over a new Stoeger but in our house it is Benelli for semi auto HD shotguns. Remington for pump. Benelli and Beretta for clays and hunting. You can save some money on a Benelli if you buy the American versions of the M2. You can Tac out a 20 gauge semi auto nicely, you may just want to add some weight. A 7.5 lb 12 gauge recoils less than a 5.5 lb 20 gauge, especially if you use light loads in the 12. In the 20 you will want to use hot loads. |
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Over at shotgunworld.com, the Stoeger M2000 gets pretty good reviews.
I was in the market for a semi auto shotgun recently, and did a lot of research. The Stoeger was on my list, but was sold out. The other guns on my list were the 20ga Sa20 by Mossberg and the same gun from Weatherby, the Sa459. Both sold out. Also looked at used 1100's and 11-87's I ended up ordering a used Beretta 1200FP (Benelli M1 Super 90 as sold by Beretta) Detroit Police-surplus riot gun. |
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+1 on the Mossberg, SPX or regular 930 (Walmart Version), it's a reliable shotgun and you don't have to worry about damaging the gas ring during cleaning like you would in the 1100's. For me the drawback to the 930 series is very few after market parts and on the SPX, that front sight sits up so high it looks damn goofy!
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Check out Cabela's Gun Library online for the 11-87 Premier. They sell for around $600. I got one from them a while ago and love it. They're not made anymore. Nice wood, not the flat drab that Remington uses on their Sportsman Field.
GL By the way - some Premiers have engraving and some don't. Mine doesn't. Cabela's has both types as of 1-4-2013. The non-engraved is higher priced. The Premier is the 11-87 analogue of the 870 Wingmaster. |
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