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Posted: 1/31/2010 11:09:00 AM EDT
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So my father recently purchased a Stoeger Double Defense 20gauge ( Link to gun ). He is recoil sensitive so the extra weight, ported barrel, rails, etc seemed to be a good choice for him.
However the sights are currently just a fiberoptic front sight. With the rail above the reciever a red dot/holo sight could be put on but he has never liked them, and prefers regular iron sights. However he would like something in a ghost ring type of configuration, possibly even a big dot type of setup. However since this gun is a coach gun with a side by side setup, most of the regular sights won't work as they contour to Rem. 870 or Moss 590 barrels. Anyone have suggestions?? Thanks |
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Its been done.
Where you have to watch it is in applying any heat as done with soldering or brazing. Many doubles are soft soldered together and when you attempt to solder, the barrels separate. You can buy a rifle type front sight and attach it by drilling and tapping the top rib. This works very well and and there are plenty of ramps available that are flat on the bottom, usually made for black powder rifles. Once you have the base on, you simply pick the height and type of sight blade you want. The rear sight for this application is one of the Williams WGRS type receiver sights that have a flat bottom. This is mounted by again, drilling and tapping the top rib as far back as you can get. Williams make several WGRS sights that are used on octagon barrel or flat receiver black powder rifles. Since this gun is already drilled and tapped for the rear rail, depending on the holes and hole spacing, you might be able to use two existing holes, or only have to drill one hole and use one of the factory holes. http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=16154/Product/_WGRS__RECEIVER_SIGHTS http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=8809/Product/DOVETAIL_FRONT_RAMP |
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The rear rail gives you a variety of options, like LPA. Its getting the front to match/line up that may be a problem. XS makes some good stuff too. JP makes this which would clamp onto the rear rail. You could also mount a small rail to the front and use any of the AR15 type rail sights. May look goofy but may work.
The Stoeger Defense is a neat concept. However a 20ga 870 with 18.5 barrel gives you more options. |
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Ended up selling it after shooting it a few times and recoil being worse in 20g than my 12g 1187. But yes the 12g and 20g version are out, my dealer had 5 or 6 of both. Said they were selling fast. Wasn't very impressed with finish on the gun, but oh well. It appears the wood stock is spray painted flat black, as the wood color was already showing through after about 10 rounds.
Thanks for all the suggestions though everyone!! |
| A semi 12ga, like the Mossberg 930, that will handle low recoil buckshot will feel much better. Also, my 1100 20ga is a real soft shooter. Otherwise he can't go wrong with an M1 Carbine (with Remington softpoints), or AR15 for that matter, for low recoil home protection. Glad you posted that though. I had been thinking about a 20ga coach for my wife and was afraid of that. |
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Yeah he is really recoil sensitive and wanted a coach gun for easier ability to hip shoot, but the recoil on it was worse than my 1187 by far. Was looking at a 1100 or 1187 20 gauge for him since he can't handle the 12, but they seem to have tons of problems, and especially with the low power loads like he would need. However if the 930 works well with them that might be a good option.
We have a M1 carbine thats not bad, but I wonder about over penetration. Have tried to convince him about ar for home protection but again he worries over penetration will be really bad. Though the recoil of a .223 is about max for him. |
If he's stuck on a shotgun than a 870 20ga pump with the R3 recoil pad shoot pretty soft. You could add a Limbsaver slip on pad onto a compact 870 20ga and have about the right length of pull. Add a Wilson Combat +2 extention and you have a nice compact light 20ga. I should know, I have one and love it. 
If he doesnt like the AR platform, look at the Remington 7615 pump action 223 that takes AR mags. Old school Remington action that many are used to, with high capacity 223. Show him some of the data on 223 rounds and fragmentation.Rem 7615 Otherwise a Saiga in 223 for semi auto with a straight forward operating system. |
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