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Posted: 12/1/2009 6:07:35 PM EDT
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Shot some flight control buckshot (9-pellet, full-power) through my MOD choked M4S90 today.
At 15 yards, it was VERY tight. At 20 yards, they were all on a regular piece of typing paper (8.5x11.5 or whatever). At 25 yards, they were about 70-80% on the same paper. At 40 yards, it patterned like regular 9-pellet Remington (or whatever brand) Buckshot. Thoughts? Experiences? Ideas? |
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Shot some flight control buckshot (9-pellet, full-power) through my MOD choked M4S90 today. At 15 yards, it was VERY tight. At 20 yards, they were all on a regular piece of typing paper (8.5x11.5 or whatever). At 25 yards, they were about 70-80% on the same paper. At 40 yards, it patterned like regular 9-pellet Remington (or whatever brand) Buckshot. Thoughts? Experiences? Ideas? when i shot it in my 18.5" Nova at 40 feet it made one ragged hole about 1-2" round. This load is amazing for cylinder bore barrels... |
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Shot some flight control buckshot (9-pellet, full-power) through my MOD choked M4S90 today. At 15 yards, it was VERY tight. At 20 yards, they were all on a regular piece of typing paper (8.5x11.5 or whatever). At 25 yards, they were about 70-80% on the same paper. At 40 yards, it patterned like regular 9-pellet Remington (or whatever brand) Buckshot. Thoughts? Experiences? Ideas? Do you think that the chrome lined barrel helps with keeping the pellets from deforming? |
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Shot some flight control buckshot (9-pellet, full-power) through my MOD choked M4S90 today. At 15 yards, it was VERY tight. At 20 yards, they were all on a regular piece of typing paper (8.5x11.5 or whatever). At 25 yards, they were about 70-80% on the same paper. At 40 yards, it patterned like regular 9-pellet Remington (or whatever brand) Buckshot. Thoughts? Experiences? Ideas? when i shot it in my 18.5" Nova at 40 feet it made one ragged hole about 1-2" round. This load is amazing for cylinder bore barrels... 40-feet is roughly 13 yards. I feel I would experience much the same at this distance. My quandry is how such a nice pattern (about 8") can go to to hell from 20 to 25 yards? |
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Shot some flight control buckshot (9-pellet, full-power) through my MOD choked M4S90 today. At 15 yards, it was VERY tight. At 20 yards, they were all on a regular piece of typing paper (8.5x11.5 or whatever). At 25 yards, they were about 70-80% on the same paper. At 40 yards, it patterned like regular 9-pellet Remington (or whatever brand) Buckshot. Thoughts? Experiences? Ideas? Do you think that the chrome lined barrel helps with keeping the pellets from deforming? I feel it is irrelevant due to the shot-cup. |
| The Flight control wad 00 buck I tested in my Mossberg 930SPX grouped a little under 16 inches at 40 yards. The rounds patterned nicely but seemed to shoot left of aiming point in a gun that fires both Federal premium 00 and Winchester Military 00 point of aim. Flite control was shooting 6-8 inches left, I never figured out why. I want to test some in my M1S90 still but it looks like good stuff, especially if you have a cylinder bore barrel that has pattern issues. |
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The Flight control wad 00 buck I tested in my Mossberg 930SPX grouped a little under 16 inches at 40 yards. The rounds patterned nicely but seemed to shoot left of aiming point in a gun that fires both Federal premium 00 and Winchester Military 00 point of aim. Flite control was shooting 6-8 inches left, I never figured out why. I want to test some in my M1S90 still but it looks like good stuff, especially if you have a cylinder bore barrel that has pattern issues. Pattern wasn't 16" for me, but it was dead-on with slugs and other buck tested as far as POA. My shotgun likes 000 Buck. Put 7/8 in 17" at 40 yards. |
| I have an 870 and a M1S90 that shoots 000 buck very well, probably the best of all the buck shots I have tested in those guns. Finding 000 has been an issue for me. The local shops here have started carrying some of it again, but for a long time there was none to be had. At that same time 000 was impossible to order as well. It seems to be more availible now, if it was only cheaper I would be in good shape. |
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I have an 870 and a M1S90 that shoots 000 buck very well, probably the best of all the buck shots I have tested in those guns. Finding 000 has been an issue for me. The local shops here have started carrying some of it again, but for a long time there was none to be had. At that same time 000 was impossible to order as well. It seems to be more availible now, if it was only cheaper I would be in good shape. What 000 worked best for you? Rem 2.75" throws 3-4 pellets VERY tight, with the other 4 veering off at about 25 yards. The other 3-4 stay tight out to 50m. Fed Power shok 2.75 is very even, if not QUITE as tight as the 4 "good" pellets in the rem load. Rem 3" does very well, but the patterns are usually strung vertically just a tad, regaurdless of the choke used. I think this is due to the larger shot capacity and movement of the firearm during recoil as the shot is exiting at a slow 1225fps. This is my experience thus-far. |
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See what the reduced recoil stuff does for you. Probably cause cycling issues? Most of the reduced recoil stuff I see is VERY reduced recoil. I would not trust it in the weapon with less than a perfect, rock-solid hold. Isn't the M4 supposed to cycle low recoil shit? |
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See what the reduced recoil stuff does for you. Probably cause cycling issues? Most of the reduced recoil stuff I see is VERY reduced recoil. I would not trust it in the weapon with less than a perfect, rock-solid hold. Isn't the M4 supposed to cycle low recoil shit? Yes, and it does for the most part if you hold it properly, tight against your shoulder. However, I don't want my go-to ammo to require a perfect hold. It's like stocking up on Wolf just because your Colt will run it. Sure it's fun, but shouldn't be your SHTF stash just because it barely cycles the weapon in optimal conditions. 8-pellets at 1145fps is just rediculously weak though. THat is what most low-recoil stuff is. Mine fed the Win-Lite buckshot. Patterned like any other buckshot, but it just shuffled the emptys out. Reliable, but not comforting. |
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See what the reduced recoil stuff does for you. Probably cause cycling issues? Most of the reduced recoil stuff I see is VERY reduced recoil. I would not trust it in the weapon with less than a perfect, rock-solid hold. Isn't the M4 supposed to cycle low recoil shit? Yes, and it does for the most part if you hold it properly, tight against your shoulder. However, I don't want my go-to ammo to require a perfect hold. It's like stocking up on Wolf just because your Colt will run it. Sure it's fun, but shouldn't be your SHTF stash just because it barely cycles the weapon in optimal conditions. 8-pellets at 1145fps is just rediculously weak though. THat is what most low-recoil stuff is. Mine fed the Win-Lite buckshot. Patterned like any other buckshot, but it just shuffled the emptys out. Reliable, but not comforting. Yeah I understand all those concerns as a former owner of an M1S90. Just asking if you tried it. 1145fps is fast enough though. |
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See what the reduced recoil stuff does for you. Probably cause cycling issues? Most of the reduced recoil stuff I see is VERY reduced recoil. I would not trust it in the weapon with less than a perfect, rock-solid hold. Isn't the M4 supposed to cycle low recoil shit? Yes, and it does for the most part if you hold it properly, tight against your shoulder. However, I don't want my go-to ammo to require a perfect hold. It's like stocking up on Wolf just because your Colt will run it. Sure it's fun, but shouldn't be your SHTF stash just because it barely cycles the weapon in optimal conditions. 8-pellets at 1145fps is just rediculously weak though. THat is what most low-recoil stuff is. Mine fed the Win-Lite buckshot. Patterned like any other buckshot, but it just shuffled the emptys out. Reliable, but not comforting. Yeah I understand all those concerns as a former owner of an M1S90. Just asking if you tried it. 1145fps is fast enough though. But with less than 1oz weight, the amount of powder required to move it at 1145fps probably won't provide enough gas to cycle the action effectively. Win-Lite buckshot is hotter I think and it BARELY worked. Guy I sold one M4 to said Ranger buckshot would not run. |
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Kinda breaks my poor little heart. Been wanting the M4 but not if it's a picky bitch. What is picky about not shooting ammo made only for pump-guns? Rediculous. Like saying you won't own a mustang if you can't run it on vegetable oil like your old diesel mercedes. |
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40-feet is roughly 13 yards. I feel I would experience much the same at this distance. My quandry is how such a nice pattern (about 8") can go to to hell from 20 to 25 yards? Did the wad make a separate target hole under 20yds? How about past 20 yards? I'd say what you're experiencing is the balls exiting the wad (wad slows down when the wings deploy) at 15 yards. With nothing enclosing the balls anymore they separate and spread from 20 yards on. |
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40-feet is roughly 13 yards. I feel I would experience much the same at this distance. My quandry is how such a nice pattern (about 8") can go to to hell from 20 to 25 yards? Did the wad make a separate target hole under 20yds? How about past 20 yards? I'd say what you're experiencing is the balls exiting the wad (wad slows down when the wings deploy) at 15 yards. With nothing enclosing the balls anymore they separate and spread from 20 yards on. Very likely, and yes you are right about the wad making a hole closer in. I just hoped the pattern would hold togather longer after they exited the wad. |
| I just picked up 5 boxes of the 3"/12-pellet 00 Buck Federal flite control load and hope to test it out soon in my 930 SPX and 500A Mariner Mossy cylinder bore shotguns. I hear it's supposed to be just the thing for tight patterns from the choke-less mossy guns...we'll soon see. |
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