[ARCHIVED THREAD] - looking for a combat 1911 (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/18/2010 4:26:53 PM EDT
| any Suggestions around $1100 Im really liking the looks of the springfield MC operator oh and no Kimbers thanks! |
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For $1100 you will be limited in the New department. MC Operator is a good choice, or Colt Rail Gun. I would go with the Colt over the SA, the only problem is it is stainless not black. But since you used the word "combat" I am thinking you want it for hard use. Springfield's lifetime warranty will probably be a good security blanket if you are going to put it through the ringer.
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I am really tempted to suggest buying 2 RIA pistols, and using the change to buy ammunition for practice. Not that any one wants to hear that. So, I will suggest buying a new Colt, and using the change to buy ammunition for practice. I was going to suggest that very thing, also. Buy TWO Rock GI's or Tacticals, and spend the balance on 230 grain FMJ's, or buy one Rock and spend the balance on the best leather available and a stack of Wilson 47D's AND 230 grain FMJ's. Check one out; don't let the price tag fool you. Seriously. |
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any Suggestions around $1100 Im really liking the looks of the springfield MC operator oh and no Kimbers thanks! Go with your first instinct. 
Once you've put a couple thousand rounds thru it you can always send it back to SA for upgrades that you see fit. |
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Colt Combat Elite. It even says right on the slide its for "combat" i have one and it is great. Two things to consider with the Combat Elite though, Plastic MSH, Blued slide. The blue looks great but will quickly wear with hard use. Replace the MSH right out the gate. |
I was looking at this new Nighthawk today in a magazine and was attracted to the fact that it came with a Surefire x300 and the add said it was "An affordable alternative to our other pistols" then I went to their website and saw the price
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I was looking at this new Nighthawk today in a magazine and was attracted to the fact that it came with a Surefire x300 and the add said it was "An affordable alternative to our other pistols" then I went to their website and saw the price
snobby 1911 builder link You have a lot to learn about 1911s if you think this is "snobby" or way over priced. NH builds some fantastic firearms and their price is not that much more unreasonable than other semi-customs offered by others. Just for grins, what exactly by your definition is a "combat 1911?" |
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I was looking at this new Nighthawk today in a magazine and was attracted to the fact that it came with a Surefire x300 and the add said it was "An affordable alternative to our other pistols" then I went to their website and saw the price
snobby 1911 builder link You have a lot to learn about 1911s if you think this is "snobby" or way over priced. NH builds some fantastic firearms and their price is not that much more unreasonable than other semi-customs offered by others. Just for grins, what exactly by your definition is a "combat 1911?" I just called them snobby cause I was upset they do make good guns I just assumed when they said "affordable" it would be around $1000-$2000 I actually work at a gun store and the owner is a Grandmaster IPSC shooter and he builds the nicest STI's you've ever put your hands on they go for around $4000. Oh and by combat 1911 I mean light rail, night sights, and non metallic finish. And yes this gun will be beat to hell and have thousands of rounds put through it. This being said anybody have reports on the stock STI Duty One? |
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Quoted: Yeah as it will only last longer than you will. Quoted: Colt Combat Elite. It even says right on the slide its for "combat" i have one and it is great. Two things to consider with the Combat Elite though, Plastic MSH, Blued slide. The blue looks great but will quickly wear with hard use. Replace the MSH right out the gate. While I like metal MSHs ( and I have replaced them for aesthetic reasons), the replacement of Colt's Delrin MSH is not a functional necessity by any stretch of the imagination.
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Quoted: Quoted: Colt rail gun, made in the US not Brazil. For the record I own a springer and a colt. The MC Operator and the TRP are NOT made in Brazil. There are made in the U.S. It depends on what your definition of "is" is. Quoted: The NM marked SA pistols are are made in America. If the pistol is marked Brazil 51% or more is made in Brazil if it is not marked Brazil and has a none NM marked 51% or more is made in the USA. Quoted: Its an often asked question. In summary, all Springfields use forgings produced in Brazil. All G.I. models are made complete in Brazil. All Mil-Spec and Loaded models with an "N" prefix serial number are made complete in Brazil. All Mil-Specs, Loadeds, with an "NM" serial number prefix are fiinish machined and assembled in the U.S. All TRPs and Trophy Matchs are finish machined and assembled in the U.S.––note that all TRPs, and TMs have an NM serial number prefix. Quoted: Only the "bottom" 3 levels of the current productions are stamped with Brazil markings. The GI, Mil-Spec, and the Loaded pistols all have the stamps. The TRP's and Operators all have the US (Illinois) stamped frame. But as far as quality, I believe that both are still pretty damn good. Some gunsmiths I've spoken to have said that Springfield's Quality control has been very high lately. |
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Colt Combat Elite. It even says right on the slide its for "combat" i have one and it is great. Two things to consider with the Combat Elite though, Plastic MSH, Blued slide. The blue looks great but will quickly wear with hard use. Replace the MSH right out the gate. While I like metal MSHs ( and I have replaced them for aesthetic reasons), the replacement of Colt's Delrin MSH is not a functional necessity by any stretch of the imagination.
I don't doubt that the polymer MSH is fairly durable, but for one it looks like crap, and for two mine is so poorly fit that it has a half a millimeter of space on one side. I can literally wiggle it inside the frame from side to side. I would recommend changing that POS part before you even shoot it for the first time. That is just me. |
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Colt rail gun, made in the US not Brazil. For the record I own a springer and a colt. The MC Operator and the TRP are NOT made in Brazil. There are made in the U.S. It depends on what your definition of "is" is.
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The NM marked SA pistols are are made in America. If the pistol is marked Brazil 51% or more is made in Brazil if it is not marked Brazil and has a none NM marked 51% or more is made in the USA. Quoted:
Its an often asked question. In summary, all Springfields use forgings produced in Brazil. All G.I. models are made complete in Brazil. All Mil-Spec and Loaded models with an "N" prefix serial number are made complete in Brazil. All Mil-Specs, Loadeds, with an "NM" serial number prefix are fiinish machined and assembled in the U.S. All TRPs and Trophy Matchs are finish machined and assembled in the U.S.––note that all TRPs, and TMs have an NM serial number prefix. Quoted:
Only the "bottom" 3 levels of the current productions are stamped with Brazil markings. The GI, Mil-Spec, and the Loaded pistols all have the stamps. The TRP's and Operators all have the US (Illinois) stamped frame. But as far as quality, I believe that both are still pretty damn good. Some gunsmiths I've spoken to have said that Springfield's Quality control has been very high lately. So even if ONLY the forgeings are one in Brazil, whats wrong with that, if they properly forge and heat treat them? |
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Quoted: I have a couple I have changed out. Would you like me to send you one ? Quoted: Quoted: Yeah as it will only last longer than you will. Quoted: Colt Combat Elite. It even says right on the slide its for "combat" i have one and it is great. Two things to consider with the Combat Elite though, Plastic MSH, Blued slide. The blue looks great but will quickly wear with hard use. Replace the MSH right out the gate. While I like metal MSHs ( and I have replaced them for aesthetic reasons), the replacement of Colt's Delrin MSH is not a functional necessity by any stretch of the imagination. I don't doubt that the polymer MSH is fairly durable, but for one it looks like crap, and for two mine is so poorly fit that it has a half a millimeter of space on one side. I can literally wiggle it inside the frame from side to side. I would recommend changing that POS part before you even shoot it for the first time. That is just me.  |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Colt rail gun, made in the US not Brazil. For the record I own a springer and a colt. The MC Operator and the TRP are NOT made in Brazil. There are made in the U.S. It depends on what your definition of "is" is. Quoted: The NM marked SA pistols are are made in America. If the pistol is marked Brazil 51% or more is made in Brazil if it is not marked Brazil and has a none NM marked 51% or more is made in the USA. Quoted: Its an often asked question. In summary, all Springfields use forgings produced in Brazil. All G.I. models are made complete in Brazil. All Mil-Spec and Loaded models with an "N" prefix serial number are made complete in Brazil. All Mil-Specs, Loadeds, with an "NM" serial number prefix are fiinish machined and assembled in the U.S. All TRPs and Trophy Matchs are finish machined and assembled in the U.S.––note that all TRPs, and TMs have an NM serial number prefix. Quoted: Only the "bottom" 3 levels of the current productions are stamped with Brazil markings. The GI, Mil-Spec, and the Loaded pistols all have the stamps. The TRP's and Operators all have the US (Illinois) stamped frame. But as far as quality, I believe that both are still pretty damn good. Some gunsmiths I've spoken to have said that Springfield's Quality control has been very high lately. So even if ONLY the forgeings are one in Brazil, whats wrong with that, if they properly forge and heat treat them? I care less as I was only passing along info (ie: previously posted comments on the subject). You'll need to stand in front of a mirror if you want an argument. |
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Colt rail gun, made in the US not Brazil. For the record I own a springer and a colt. The MC Operator and the TRP are NOT made in Brazil. There are made in the U.S. It depends on what your definition of "is" is.
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The NM marked SA pistols are are made in America. If the pistol is marked Brazil 51% or more is made in Brazil if it is not marked Brazil and has a none NM marked 51% or more is made in the USA. Quoted:
Its an often asked question. In summary, all Springfields use forgings produced in Brazil. All G.I. models are made complete in Brazil. All Mil-Spec and Loaded models with an "N" prefix serial number are made complete in Brazil. All Mil-Specs, Loadeds, with an "NM" serial number prefix are fiinish machined and assembled in the U.S. All TRPs and Trophy Matchs are finish machined and assembled in the U.S.––note that all TRPs, and TMs have an NM serial number prefix. Quoted:
Only the "bottom" 3 levels of the current productions are stamped with Brazil markings. The GI, Mil-Spec, and the Loaded pistols all have the stamps. The TRP's and Operators all have the US (Illinois) stamped frame. But as far as quality, I believe that both are still pretty damn good. Some gunsmiths I've spoken to have said that Springfield's Quality control has been very high lately. So even if ONLY the forgeings are one in Brazil, whats wrong with that, if they properly forge and heat treat them? I care less as I was only passing along info (ie: previously posted comments on the subject). You'll need to stand in front of a mirror if you want an argument. Oh hell, I wasnt starting a argument at all, it was a actual question, I could see where the machining could have some variances, but I thought they might not be doing something they need to. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Colt rail gun, made in the US not Brazil. For the record I own a springer and a colt. The MC Operator and the TRP are NOT made in Brazil. There are made in the U.S. It depends on what your definition of "is" is. Quoted: The NM marked SA pistols are are made in America. If the pistol is marked Brazil 51% or more is made in Brazil if it is not marked Brazil and has a none NM marked 51% or more is made in the USA. Quoted: Its an often asked question. In summary, all Springfields use forgings produced in Brazil. All G.I. models are made complete in Brazil. All Mil-Spec and Loaded models with an "N" prefix serial number are made complete in Brazil. All Mil-Specs, Loadeds, with an "NM" serial number prefix are fiinish machined and assembled in the U.S. All TRPs and Trophy Matchs are finish machined and assembled in the U.S.––note that all TRPs, and TMs have an NM serial number prefix. Quoted: Only the "bottom" 3 levels of the current productions are stamped with Brazil markings. The GI, Mil-Spec, and the Loaded pistols all have the stamps. The TRP's and Operators all have the US (Illinois) stamped frame. But as far as quality, I believe that both are still pretty damn good. Some gunsmiths I've spoken to have said that Springfield's Quality control has been very high lately. So even if ONLY the forgeings are one in Brazil, whats wrong with that, if they properly forge and heat treat them? I care less as I was only passing along info (ie: previously posted comments on the subject). You'll need to stand in front of a mirror if you want an argument. Oh hell, I wasnt starting a argument at all, it was a actual question, I could see where the machining could have some variances, but I thought they might not be doing something they need to. I don't know enough about SA 1911s to answer that. |
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EVERY Springfield begins life in Brazil. Deal with it. no the Operator series is 100% US made Unless you count the forgings and small parts. But Id rather have a Springfield 100% Brazilian than a UAW produced Colt now. Now that's funny. If you pay attention to this board, forum. Whatever you want to call it. It's Springfield owners that have the problems. Granted they have an excellent warranty available to them and Colt's product is backed by a warranty made by an institution, not a company. That said I'd rather have product than warranty. If the products right you don't need warranty. Speaking of warranty the recall seems to have gone well for Colt with very few complaints, or a lot less than expected anyway. If comparing like Colt model to like Springfield model. I will and continue to choose Colt over Springfield. I've been inside of both pistols and the last Springfield I was in I took Springfield parts out and replaced with Colt parts. (Sear and Sear Spring) Anyway that was to my cousin's choosing, but while there we should have replaced the Springfield extractor and would have had I remembered to bring a bar stock. But hey, once again we're on opposite sides of the fence. |
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EVERY Springfield begins life in Brazil. Deal with it. no the Operator series is 100% US made Unless you count the forgings and small parts. But Id rather have a Springfield 100% Brazilian than a UAW produced Colt now. Now that's funny. If you pay attention to this board, forum. Whatever you want to call it. It's Springfield owners that have the problems. Granted they have an excellent warranty available to them and Colt's product is backed by a warranty made by an institution, not a company. That said I'd rather have product than warranty. If the products right you don't need warranty. Speaking of warranty the recall seems to have gone well for Colt with very few complaints, or a lot less than expected anyway. If comparing like Colt model to like Springfield model. I will and continue to choose Colt over Springfield. I've been inside of both pistols and the last Springfield I was in I took Springfield parts out and replaced with Colt parts. (Sear and Sear Spring) Anyway that was to my cousin's choosing, but while there we should have replaced the Springfield extractor and would have had I remembered to bring a bar stock. But hey, once again we're on opposite sides of the fence. I like Colt over Springfield (pound for pound) also. I have noticed slight flaws on all of my Colts (tool marks, sharp edges, crappy plastic MSH on my XSE) but nothing major. One of my Colts is the best 1911 in the universe IMO (but it has $2000 of custom work) but they all shoot great. I only have one Springer and it is just a Mil-Spec. It is a sweet pistol, that also shoots great, but compared to it's like model Colt (Series 70) I will take the Colt over the Springer any day. Loaded VS. XSE - give me the XSE Rail Gun Vs. MC Op. - Rail gun 70 Vs. Mil-Spec - 70 (easy one) Both brands are good......actually Great. It just comes down to preference and opinion. |
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kimber warrior? 
just saying +1 The Warrior is just plain awesome. Don't know why he didn't want any Kimber suggestions, but I was assuming a bad experience. I actually think Kimber makes damn fine guns. Especially the Warrior. If it's good enough for USMC DET. 1, it is good for me. |
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kimber warrior?
just saying Be my suggestion. Dont get me wrong, I dont care for anything that Kimber puts out,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,save the Warrior line. Though, from what I understand, the SIS is of the same family (old school 1911) so it may be worth a look too. |
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Sorry to intrude, but I would call Ron Phillips, give him a budget and ask him what he could do and how long it would take.
I stumbled upon my invoice from Feb 2009 for my "Ron Phillips" 1911 Gummint. Excluding the 10 extra EMT mags and 2 extra springs, it came in right at $2800. Hardly a surface was untouched–– front and backstrap checkering, serrated top of slide, blended magwell, muzzle crowned, ambi safety, perfect trigger. DiamondBlack finish. All on a Remsport frame. Heinie straight eight nightsights. If you wanted to spend less, just start subtracting extras. Or tell him what you want to spend. It is going to be AT LEAST as good as the very best NH or Wilson or SA PRO for similar cash, and you eliminate the possibility of a lemon. Yes, eliminate. And it won't take much longer. Maybe there are other guys doing work like this for similar money and similar time, but I don't know them. And no, I have no connection with Ron except I shook his hand once. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: EVERY Springfield begins life in Brazil. Deal with it. no the Operator series is 100% US made Unless you count the forgings and small parts. But Id rather have a Springfield 100% Brazilian than a UAW produced Colt now. Now that's funny. If you pay attention to this board, forum. Whatever you want to call it. It's Springfield owners that have the problems. Granted they have an excellent warranty available to them and Colt's product is backed by a warranty made by an institution, not a company. That said I'd rather have product than warranty. If the products right you don't need warranty. Speaking of warranty the recall seems to have gone well for Colt with very few complaints, or a lot less than expected anyway. If comparing like Colt model to like Springfield model. I will and continue to choose Colt over Springfield. I've been inside of both pistols and the last Springfield I was in I took Springfield parts out and replaced with Colt parts. (Sear and Sear Spring) Anyway that was to my cousin's choosing, but while there we should have replaced the Springfield extractor and would have had I remembered to bring a bar stock. But hey, once again we're on opposite sides of the fence. Ive had one Springfield that shot low and two Colts that were junk and Yoland in the CS dept at the time could suck my ass but thats not my point. Colt is made by UAW members and after all the shit with healthcare and the unions getting paid off Id rather have to resort to owning a Glock than buy a Colt product. |
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EVERY Springfield begins life in Brazil. Deal with it. no the Operator series is 100% US made Unless you count the forgings and small parts. But Id rather have a Springfield 100% Brazilian than a UAW produced Colt now. Now that's funny. If you pay attention to this board, forum. Whatever you want to call it. It's Springfield owners that have the problems. Granted they have an excellent warranty available to them and Colt's product is backed by a warranty made by an institution, not a company. That said I'd rather have product than warranty. If the products right you don't need warranty. Speaking of warranty the recall seems to have gone well for Colt with very few complaints, or a lot less than expected anyway. If comparing like Colt model to like Springfield model. I will and continue to choose Colt over Springfield. I've been inside of both pistols and the last Springfield I was in I took Springfield parts out and replaced with Colt parts. (Sear and Sear Spring) Anyway that was to my cousin's choosing, but while there we should have replaced the Springfield extractor and would have had I remembered to bring a bar stock. But hey, once again we're on opposite sides of the fence. Ive had one Springfield that shot low and two Colts that were junk and Yoland in the CS dept at the time could suck my ass but thats not my point. Colt is made by UAW members and after all the shit with healthcare and the unions getting paid off Id rather have to resort to owning a Glock than buy a Colt product.    
I feel ya Beltfed, I hear YOU, I DO. I believe my cs experience was about the same THE ONE TIME I CALLED. However, I didn't realize this was an OBAMATIZED, UAW, HEALTHCARE issue. RANT ON !! |
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EVERY Springfield begins life in Brazil. Deal with it. no the Operator series is 100% US made Unless you count the forgings and small parts. But Id rather have a Springfield 100% Brazilian than a UAW produced Colt now. Now that's funny. If you pay attention to this board, forum. Whatever you want to call it. It's Springfield owners that have the problems. Granted they have an excellent warranty available to them and Colt's product is backed by a warranty made by an institution, not a company. That said I'd rather have product than warranty. If the products right you don't need warranty. Speaking of warranty the recall seems to have gone well for Colt with very few complaints, or a lot less than expected anyway. If comparing like Colt model to like Springfield model. I will and continue to choose Colt over Springfield. I've been inside of both pistols and the last Springfield I was in I took Springfield parts out and replaced with Colt parts. (Sear and Sear Spring) Anyway that was to my cousin's choosing, but while there we should have replaced the Springfield extractor and would have had I remembered to bring a bar stock. But hey, once again we're on opposite sides of the fence. Ive had one Springfield that shot low and two Colts that were junk and Yoland in the CS dept at the time could suck my ass but thats not my point. Colt is made by UAW members and after all the shit with healthcare and the unions getting paid off Id rather have to resort to owning a Glock than buy a Colt product.
I feel ya Beltfed, I hear YOU, I DO. I believe my cs experience was about the same THE ONE TIME I CALLED. However, I didn't realize this was an OBAMATIZED, UAW, HEALTHCARE issue. RANT ON !!  
Have you seen some of the Colts coming out in recent days. There's a moderator on another site that went to his fun store looking for a Series 70. 4/5 had extreme imperfections. Looks like some monkey on the line can't even center a recoil spring channel in the middle.And of course, there are the usual loose, crushed plunger tubes, etc. When you find an unmolested one, things are good, though. They need to get the monkey off the premises. |