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8/31/2009 5:16:01 PM EDT
Well, I went to the range today and confirmed the suspicions I've had since I got the gun a couple months ago - the sights aim low even using the "point of aim" sight picture (about 2 inches at 7 yards). I used a bench rest and was consistently hitting low like I was when I shooting freehand, and I know I wasn't flinching. I plan on giving SA a call tomorrow, but does anyone have any experience dealing with this sort of thing? Would I have to pay for the repairs?
8/31/2009 5:17:59 PM EDT
[#1]
Don't think the GI has much sight to work with, but filing it lower would fix your problem... Just go slow with it, wouldn't want to take too much off.
8/31/2009 5:25:57 PM EDT
[#2]
What ammo are you using?

Jim
8/31/2009 5:50:36 PM EDT
[#3]
Had Novak install a set of sights on a Springer.........shooting low.......I brought a file with me to the range.............three shots and file............three shots and file............three shots and file................Dead on!!!!!!
8/31/2009 6:01:57 PM EDT
[#4]
You need to call them to get a return goods authorization number.

I had to send mine in with the same issue.  Mine was about 6" low at 15 yards or so if I remember correctly.  They fitted a stainless match barrel and match barrel bushing and tightened the slide to frame fit.  It is right on now.  No charge for the work, but had to pay shipping cost to them.  They will reimburse for up to $50 if you send a note along with the receipt.  I think it took about 3 weeks to get the pistol back.  Check for the reimbursement showed up several weeks later.  Only downside is changed the original parkerized GI appearance.  Shoots great though!

dugk
8/31/2009 6:24:11 PM EDT
[#5]
Springfield will probably take care of it for you.  I've heard that they will put in a slightly taller rear sight to fix this sort of issue.  My GI shot very low as well, but I traded it off before I got it corrected.  I considered filing the front sight, but it is already so tiny.  Filing will only make it harder to see
8/31/2009 6:26:42 PM EDT
[#6]
Seems strange that they stainless parts in your GI to correct that issue.  I really like the appearance of a stock GI.  I'm not sure if I would have been happy with that.

Quoted:
You need to call them to get a return goods authorization number.

I had to send mine in with the same issue.  Mine was about 6" low at 15 yards or so if I remember correctly.  They fitted a stainless match barrel and match barrel bushing and tightened the slide to frame fit.  It is right on now.  No charge for the work, but had to pay shipping cost to them.  They will reimburse for up to $50 if you send a note along with the receipt.  I think it took about 3 weeks to get the pistol back.  Check for the reimbursement showed up several weeks later.  Only downside is changed the original parkerized GI appearance.  Shoots great though!

dugk


8/31/2009 6:31:02 PM EDT
[#7]
Eh, mine's a stainless steel model anyways so it will be fine. The ammo I used today was Wolf, but it's done this with Blazer, Fiocchi, WWB, and whatever else I've run through it.
8/31/2009 6:33:15 PM EDT
[#8]
2" low at 21 feet? Not out of the realm of reality. Sandbag rest it at 25yds, thats what SA says they zero out at. The ones that used to have problems shooting low were the Novak replacement sights.
8/31/2009 6:44:12 PM EDT
[#9]
When I asked about ammo I meant what weight? If you are shooting fast, light-weight ammo try some 230gr hardball. That is what those sights are regulated for.

Jim
8/31/2009 6:49:21 PM EDT
[#10]
Oh, I've only shot 230 grain FMJ so far. And 2" low does seem unreasonable to me considering the sights are only about .5" above the muzzle.
8/31/2009 6:51:47 PM EDT
[#11]
I have a Mil-Spec that shot exceedingly low, but it also had a grossly heavy trigger pull––in excess of 8 lbs.  I suspected the two might be related but sent the pistol back to SA for warranty repair of the trigger pull.  I also mentioned the low point of impact in the accompanying letter.  They fixed the trigger and sent a test target confirming that the pistol was zeroed in windage (which they had to adjust a bit) and in elevation which they didn't have to touch.  To adjust for the heavy trigger pull, I was pulling the pistol down during the trigger pull motion, hence the low impact point..  A good/better shooter would have compensated, but although I suspected that might be the case, I wasn't competent enough to make the adjustment.  Anyway, all is now well.
8/31/2009 7:16:00 PM EDT
[#12]
Have you tried it at different distances to see what it is doing? I mean to see if it stays low at all distances?
If not try it at 7 yards, 15 yards and 25 yards. see if the poi comes up, or goes down.

Jim
8/31/2009 7:43:22 PM EDT
[#13]
Yes, I shot it at 15 yards and it was lower if I remember correctly. I didn't bring home the target, so I don't exactly how low it was.
8/31/2009 7:48:10 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Yes, I shot it at 15 yards and it was lower if I remember correctly. I didn't bring home the target, so I don't exactly how low it was.


It hit lower at 15 than at 7? Yikes! Send it back.

Jim

9/1/2009 7:59:28 AM EDT
[#15]
This has come up before and it's a gunsmithing problem that SA will want to adress. 800-680-6866.
9/1/2009 1:35:23 PM EDT
[#16]
I called them and went ahead and ordered the sights they use on the Mil Spec models. For about $33 shipped for both the front and rear sights, it's a pretty good deal. I was wanting to upgrade the sights anyways, so they said if the new sights don't fix the issue they will repair it.
9/1/2009 2:28:27 PM EDT
[#17]
are those mil-spec sites user installable or do they have to go to gunsmith for removal and replacement? I might consider doing this...?
9/1/2009 3:58:48 PM EDT
[#18]
She told me they were user installable and didn't require any additional machining to the slide. Not sure how easy it will be but I can post when I get them in a week or two.
9/1/2009 4:10:37 PM EDT
[#19]
definitely post up the install brother.  Have this same pistol on order and the sights were atop my list of tweaks to the gun
9/8/2009 7:31:30 PM EDT
[#20]
Got the new sights installed. Unfortunately, it's still shooting low. I ended up sending the entire pistol back to SA for repairs. The installation procedure wasn't complicated, but it was a bit of a pain to do. The rear sight is dovetailed in and needed to be tapped out. I didn't have any brass punches, so I just took a hammer and started whacking a small file up against the old one to push it out. Repeat the same process with the new sights. I got kind of frustrated with it and eventually started smacking the sights directly with the hammer. It got it in better but resulted in the sights being dinged up a bit on the sides. Not too big of a deal - it's a working man's 1911, right?

The front sight was a little more tricky to get out. It's staked in, so you have to remove the slide and then pop the sight out from inside the slide. I tried pulling it out with pliers but couldn't get it. I used the same file and put the pointy end up against the sight to hammer it out. With that out, the new one drops right in but doesn't want to stay put. It's also a little too long, so I used a Dremel to grind it down to be flush with the slide. To make sure it was good, I put the barrel bushing back in and verified that it could slide in and out easily. I then used a little bit of red Loctite 271 to bind the sight firmly to the slide.

Overall not too difficult of an install, but I would recommend getting some brass punches if you don't want to put a few dings in your sights, or in my case, on the top of the slide when I missed with the hammer.