Posted: 2/15/2009 3:09:36 PM EDT
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Hey guys I have two issues with a Springer Operator I bought used. They don't seem too big but they are important enough for me to step out of the shadows and ask dumb questions.
Number one, I have a FLGR, but apparently not the good kind. Mine has no takedown hole and an allen wrench for the front. From what I have gathered (and I did look) this is a Springer two piece rod? I want to take it apart and get the buffer off and eventually switch it to a GI style plug because FLGR's are not my preference. My main question is how do I take the damn thing out of the slide so I can take the barrel out and secondary how do I take it apart to take the shock buff off? Like I said there is no normal takedown hole like I see in all the videos and I haven't found much on FLGR stripping, just endless inane babble about how they do/do not work. Now the second part, Springer glues their ejectors in. What do you do when it comes unglued? I want to like all these fancy new pistols, but I'll be damned if my old beat up Sistema hasn't turned out to be the best gun I ever bought. |
For the FLGR question...no clue 
For the ejector...check your frame, see if it has the ejector pin hole in it (it'll be in the frame rails, you should see a pin there). If you don't see a pin in the frame rails anywhere, then...well, you have a couple choices, coming down to 1) pray the ejector doesn't come loose 2) send it out to a smith to drill the ejector pin hole and set it up properly If you do see a pin there, then you're ok; the ejector may be glued in but it's also pinned in, which is good. My Springfield mil-spec has a pinned-in ejector. The pin will be above the grip panel, just ahead of the thumb safety. You'll see it on your Sistema for sure. If you see a hole and no pin...all is not lost; you can notch the ejector leg for a pin and seat one. ETA - lose, loose...letters, numbers...so confusing |
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For the FLGR question...no clue
For the ejector...check your frame, see if it has the ejector pin hole in it (it'll be in the frame rails, you should see a pin there). If you don't see a pin in the frame rails anywhere, then...well, you have a couple choices, coming down to 1) pray the ejector doesn't come loose 2) send it out to a smith to drill the ejector pin hole and set it up properly If you do see a pin there, then you're ok; the ejector may be glued in but it's also pinned in, which is good. My Springfield mil-spec has a pinned-in ejector. The pin will be above the grip panel, just ahead of the thumb safety. You'll see it on your Sistema for sure. If you see a hole and no pin...all is not lost; you can notch the ejector leg for a pin and seat one. ETA - lose, loose...letters, numbers...so confusing Yeah my Sistema is pinned in and that's why I like it. Its been a helluva gun for only $400.  The glued one came out earlier after have some erratic ejection today at the range. Sheeeeeeeeeeeit I guess I have to send it in to get it pinned properly.
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For the guide rod, remove the forward half of the guide rod using an allen wrench. Having done that, disassemble as per normal 1911 gvmt procedure i.e. depress plug, turn bushing CW, release spring/plug, etc. Reasemble in order. Leave the forward half of the two-piece guide rod to install as the last operation.
For the ejector, the ultimate procedure is well described above. You can also reglue the ejector back in place, having cleaned up the ejector and frame with proper solvent. Reglue with Loctite Red (I believe). |
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You know...I did a thread a while back about swapping out full length guide rods for GI style parts...
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=70688 |
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For the guide rod, remove the forward half of the guide rod using an allen wrench. Having done that, disassemble as per normal 1911 gvmt procedure i.e. depress plug, turn bushing CW, release spring/plug, etc. Reasemble in order. Leave the forward half of the two-piece guide rod to install as the last operation. For the ejector, the ultimate procedure is well described above. You can also reglue the ejector back in place, having cleaned up the ejector and frame with proper solvent. Reglue with Loctite Red (I believe). Bingo. I tried to unscrew it before but I was always a bit worried since I never found anything about it but it came unscrewed. The rest of the takedown is the same also. I also have some red Loctite (used it on a bushing that came unstaked) so I will try that but I need some stuff refinished anyway and I would much prefer the security of a pin. I'll figure out what I want done next. I really want this to be as or more reliable than the Sistema and I really don't want to have to worry about it. A glued ejector makes me worry. DoubleARon, I've seen your link before but since my guide rod is different it wasn't applicable. Also having owned the Sistema I know both the installation and merits of the GI-style rod. Your write up is quite excellent though. Especially what to do with the left over full guide rod. 
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| If reliability is your goal, I suggest you get rid of the two-piece guide rod. I have two SAs that were so-equipped, and on each of them, the guide rod would start to seperate during use. I never launched one, but came close before I became aware that the darn things would unwind. Some shooters have no problems, but its an absoulte fact that a signficant percentage of users experience the unwinding during use. The pistol will function with the front half of the guide rod absent, but its not an ideal configuration. The replacement hardware is $25. |