Posted: 1/19/2009 5:40:43 PM EDT
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I havnt really put much thought into guide rods until a buddy just told me that he knows of someone that just destroyed their Springfield when the 2 piece guide rod came apart while firing.
Right now I am waiting on my new Springfield TRP to come in that will more than likely have the 2 piece rod in it. So my question is, If I were looking to replace that guide rod what would be a good replacement. I know from looking around that most people like to go to the USGI guide rods. What are the differences between all the different guide rods out there? Thanks for the input. |
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Well, there's mostly the following:
1) Short GI 2) Two-piece full length 3) One-piece full length In arfcom tradition, I have all three in various 1911s. 
Personally, I don't see how the two-piece would work loose unless someone really didn't tighten the thing down properly. But if you're wanting to swap in the shorter original GI style, it requires no fitting & just goes right in. My apologies if you already know/knew this. Semper Fi! |
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Well, there's mostly the following: 1) Short GI 2) Two-piece full length 3) One-piece full length In arfcom tradition, I have all three in various 1911s.
Personally, I don't see how the two-piece would work loose unless someone really didn't tighten the thing down properly. But if you're wanting to swap in the shorter original GI style, it requires no fitting & just goes right in. My apologies if you already know/knew this. Semper Fi! Yeah, i knew there were the One Piece full length, 2 piece full length and the shorter GI versions. Just curious about the MAIN differences in them. I know the GI is supposed to be a little easier to disassemble but other than I don't know. Hoorah, |
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The G.I guide rod makes the pistol much easier to field strip.
As far as I have been able to tell the FLGR doesn't do much. I have an SA Loaded with a one-piece FLGR and a Kimber Warrior with a G.I. guide rod. When shooting I really can't tell any difference. On the other hand I am thinking about a tungston FLGR in one of my match pistols to help reduce muzzle flip. I really think the FLGR is mostly for looks but there are people who will argue. Jim |
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I fought the unscrewing two-piece guide rods in two different Springfields. Despite cleaning and tightening, they wouldn't stay tight. Never had one come apart, but came close. Gluing them together with Loctite, which is frequently suggested, I assume would solve one problem, but might create others, and it's kinda silly to have to glue your expensive pistol together to make it work properly.
I installed Ed Brown G.I. plugs and guide rods in my two TRPs. No problems with installation or function. Never considered a one-piece long guide rod, as I've never seen any credible documentation that the long guide rod offered any advantages over the simple, inexpensive G.I. configuration. |
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Yeah, my 2 piece on my springer kept coming loose. I took a 200 round CCW class, had to keep tightening it with my leatherman after every stage, kinda embarrasing. I've been wanting to convert it to GI but CDNN never has all the pieces in stock at one time, plus I quit shooting it and got a Glock.
ETA: oh yeah, I lock-tited mine for now. |
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Put some teflon tape on the tpgr. Works great on my springfield loaded.
Yes you have to replace it once in a while but when you do it the old comes right off unlike loctite. Which has a tendency to want to stick around. ETA: Tape on the threads just in case it wasn't clear |
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Quoted: Understand the GI is the original design and works. I prefer a FLGR, One Piece, Wilson, 1 ea. Most makers of autos use flgrs. think about it. I did and it means nothing. I have one 1911 with a FLGR and it works fine as do all my others without one. Think about it. |
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Understand the GI is the original design and works. I prefer a FLGR, One Piece, Wilson, 1 ea. Most makers of autos use flgrs. think about it. So what works for an HK naturally must work for a 1911, right? Tell us, what exactly does a FLGR accomplish on a 1911? Just because Glock has a FLGR doesn't mean a 1911 will benefit from one. Think about it, if you can. |
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Understand the GI is the original design and works. I prefer a FLGR, One Piece, Wilson, 1 ea. Most makers of autos use flgrs. think about it. God John Moses Browning designed the 1911 with the GI system, think about that! They are all inferior to the 1911. |
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IMHO The guide rod thing comes down to the use of the gun and personal preference.
If you are precision shooting and speed and ease of take down are not an issue than most people will tell you that a full length guide rod is the way to go because it supposedly will help accuracy and because the spring has no way of bowing up and touching the barrel. Personally I don't know anyone that can shoot well enough that it would even matter and I doubt very few of us do. On the other hand if it is a carry/duty weapon and you need speed and ease of clearing jambs and stripping in case of malfunction the GI guide rod makes more sense. Is it really worth arguing about? Not IMO. But again just another opinion. |
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Most makers of autos use flgrs. think about it. Not on 1911's, sir. In addition, most semi's do not disassemble via the muzzle as a 1911 does, the bbl comes out thru the chamber area of the slide. Might want to dial back your sarcasm a bit too until you learn the ropes. 
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Any reason to be concerned with the one-piece rod on a TRP Operator? The pin/paperclip disassembly isn't much fun, but maybe because it's new to me and I need practice. Thanks There's no reason to be concerned with it, just get used to the PITA disassembly. |
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I havnt really put much thought into guide rods until a buddy just told me that he knows of someone that just destroyed their Springfield when the 2 piece guide rod came apart while firing. Right now I am waiting on my new Springfield TRP to come in that will more than likely have the 2 piece rod in it. So my question is, If I were looking to replace that guide rod what would be a good replacement. I know from looking around that most people like to go to the USGI guide rods. What are the differences between all the different guide rods out there? Thanks for the input. I've a got a Kimber that come with a GI Simple/Easy/Works/Like It |
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For me the GI set up is the way to go... If you decide the go the FLGR, the one piece is the way to go...
1. You do not have to worry about it separating while firing your weapon (and it does happen)... 2. You do not have to carry an allen wrench around to take your weapon apart... I have tried various set ups and the original GI set up does it for me... |
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another question along these lines..... Is there a reason why the guide rod on most production 1911s do not protrude out flush to the end of the spring retaining plug. I would like it if mine did but that is purely based on appearances. If it did, you wouldn't be able to turn the bushing. |
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another question along these lines..... Is there a reason why the guide rod on most production 1911s do not protrude out flush to the end of the spring retaining plug. I would like it if mine did but that is purely based on appearances. If it did, you wouldn't be able to turn the bushing. you can have it flush. You will need a hole in the guide rod and a paper clip for take down. It would be the same as a reverse plug heavy barrel STI. |
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another question along these lines..... Is there a reason why the guide rod on most production 1911s do not protrude out flush to the end of the spring retaining plug. I would like it if mine did but that is purely based on appearances. If it did, you wouldn't be able to turn the bushing. well damn, youre right, thanx fer makin me feel stupid there bud... 
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I havnt really put much thought into guide rods until a buddy just told me that he knows of someone that just destroyed their Springfield when the 2 piece guide rod came apart while firing. Right now I am waiting on my new Springfield TRP to come in that will more than likely have the 2 piece rod in it. So my question is, If I were looking to replace that guide rod what would be a good replacement. I know from looking around that most people like to go to the USGI guide rods. What are the differences between all the different guide rods out there? Thanks for the input. I've got a couple 1911's with GI & SA Loaded w/2 piece. I think a lot of people get scared & quickly change them out. When I got the loaded because of post where guns blow up rods coming apart, I kept a close eye to see if I needed to be concerned? I have come to the conclusion if you don't oil the rod where it screws together & tighten it correctly which is just (snug) It is not coming apart. I think it would be safe to say those that came apart were not correctly tightened or oiled or both. In one shooting session I shot 300 rds & then checked the tightness (perfectly tight) But thats just IMO, I would change mine if I thought it needed to be changed. But I believe Springfield Armory knows what they are doing, I also don't believe they would build a pistol with a known weak link or guide rod. But it is cheap to replace if any feel the need to do so. IMO..I don't feel the need! |