1911 (not A1) thread (Page 2 of 6)
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The "P" is the proof stamp that is applied at the factory. There should be one in front of the rear sight as well. They may not have the same font because dies changed during that era. The "GHD" is the inspector's mark...the initials, Guy H Drewry who is the inspecting General during that era. The BNP Crown is a sign that the pistol may have been made and loaned/leased to the British during WWII. I believe it stands for the Birmingham Nitro Proof for the Birmingham Proof House. The pistol was US made and shipped to England where it received the stamp prior to being released for sale around 1955. The top right pic looks like the US Ordanace Cannons that would have been stamped during the manufacturing The "Crossed Scepters/Swords" is another British stamp. The crossed scepters should have two letters and a number. The letter on the left is the year code. The right letter should be a B, signifying Birmingham. The number below is the rank of the inspector. |
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Hope I'm not bothering you. You have information that is vary interesting to me! The "Crossed Scepters/Swords" is another British stamp. The crossed scepters should have two letters and a number. The letter on the left is the year code. The right letter should be a B, signifying Birmingham. The number below is the rank of the inspector Alright got a good picture of the crossed scepters:  The lettler on the left is a (I or a 1) that the best I can do. The letter on the right is a (B or an 8) The number on the bottom is a (4) So if it is an (I) what year is that? The (4) what rank is that? Also there is a mark on the left side. below the hammer. Do you know what that may be?  Thanks for the help! PITA45 
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| The deciphering of the numbers/letters is beyond me. I don't know the other symbol either. I found most of this stuff in books when I was researching my Colts. I suggest posting the pics at www.1911forum.com under the USGI section. There are some collectors and very knowledgeable people there. |
THANKS!! PITA45
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You can pick one up for about a grand, more or less. Don't buy one thats been altered, restored or reblued. Check out Gunbroker. |
Thanks, I'll check it out |
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this one a bit of a mut has an 1911A1 slide but a 1911 frame. but was carried on my grandfathers hip while stationed in hawaii in the 1940s http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh100/petee_2008/Photo_050307_002.jpg I know "hammer down" bla bla bla I think I had just cleaned it before this pic. so I dont want top hear it |
Cocked and locked!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just kidding, How can you tell a A1 slide from anything else? |
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I was at my fun shop tonight and saw a 1918 manufacture that was selling for $1999.00. I'm not sure if that is high or not but it was a ting' of beauty! |
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The BNP is the Birmingham Proof House symbol reflecting where the gun was proof as it passed through in the commercial market. The London Proof House symbols were different. Any gun happening to pass through Brittan in the commercial market had to be proofed in one of the facilities. The gun could have come from any country, not just Brittan. The actual Lend Lease guns had other marks such as "NOT ENGLISH MADE" and "RELEASED BRITISH SERVICE 1955" or another year date. The barrels were also marked in the ejection port with the BNP and .45" .900", 7 TONSPER SQ.". 
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My 1911 Colt reproduction. Wish I had an early one. Hope this counts as a 1911 for this topic.   |
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Poor Man's picture shows a 1911 frame with an A1 trigger while My Aim's reflects a 1911 as an original production gun with the long trigger and flat main spring housing. When the 1911A1 model arrived it had the 1911A1 designation on the right side of the frame where the 1911 had it on the slide. Replacement A1 slides had it on the slide as did replacements made by Remington Rand, US&S and Ithaca. The A1 guns incorporated a finger relief cut in the frame. |
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I have a Colt M1911A1 and Remington Rand M1911A1. But, I was at the gun show Sat. and picked up a leather double mag pouch and inside was two nice 1911 two tone mags. Got everything for $90.00. Was told the set was a WW2 Vet. Bringback. Would anyone know anything about the pouch? It is marked: H H Heiser Maker Denver, Colo. 16 Thanks, Mike |
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Here's my warhorse. Still on duty, serving my family. Made in 1918, last fired a few days ago. Reworked by Augusta Arsenal in 1964, and then sold via an NRA/DCM sale in 1964, to my father, for the princely sum of 14 dollars.       I need to get a "correct" crosshatched plunger for it and it's probably due for a new recoil spring. And I'm not sure that the trigger is correct but that's what it's had for as long as I can remember. I see now, and for the first time, understand that my 1911 has an A1 safety and an A1 trigger. Does anyone else see anything else about it that's not 'correct" for an original 1911? (Aside from the fact that it was arsenal refinished, that is.) It eats only ball ammo, as it was designed for. CJ |
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"Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?"
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BTT because I have questions in the above post and I'm hoping for an answer from a 1911 guru. CJ |
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Now they will learn why they fear the night."....Thulsa Doom
"Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?"
كاف
Now they will learn why they fear the night."....Thulsa Doom
"Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?"
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Leave it alone bro, it's correct as rebuilt, nothing you can do to bring back the original finish so why make it into something it can't be? It's very nice and a excellent example of a GI rebuild. |
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Ammo's? We don't need no steenking ammo's!!!!!!
The Hi-Power-Cause even JMB knew of wusses that couldn't handle a REAL caliber.
Ammo's? We don't need no steenking ammo's!!!!!!
The Hi-Power-Cause even JMB knew of wusses that couldn't handle a REAL caliber.
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Works for me! I won't mess with it. Except to get a crosshatched plunger for it, because the one that was with it BROKE. The spring lock tab broke off one time when I was at the range and it jammed between the barrel and the bushing. That was a HELL of a jam! Getting a proper crosshatched plunger would be something that's worth doing. It doesn't get shot a lot but it does get a few mags put through it every year. I really need to buy myself a "lesser" .45 for more frequent range shooting. I really like shooting this .45 but I don't want to put a lot of wear and tear on it. It didn't get to be ninety years old by getting shot ten thousand times a year! I've done MOST of the shooting that's been done with it since it was reworked and sold to my father in .64. It looked almost unfired when I was 10. (32 years ago.) Obviously, it's still got better than 95 percent of its (reworked) finish on it, though. CJ |
"Now they will know why they are afraid of the dark.
Now they will learn why they fear the night."....Thulsa Doom
"Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?"
كاف
Now they will learn why they fear the night."....Thulsa Doom
"Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?"
كاف
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Here's my 1911. It was purchased by my Grandfather from the Director of Civillian Marksmanship in the 1950's and was owned by him until he gave it to me last year. It was the last thing he gave me before he died.  I don't have very good pics of the pistol itself, but it was made in 1918 and is in the upper 170000 range. It has been parkerized and grips were replaced with bakelite grips while still in military service. It has some honest wear on it from 30 years of deer hunts and it has been used before, so I still shoot it on occasion. It has NEVER jammed on me and feeds Hornady XTP's and FMJ's perfectly.  Here's the deer I shot with it last December in honor of my Grandfather:   |
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Originally Posted By pita45: That's a US Ordnance Department Stamp. Used to mark weapons that have passed inspection before shipped out to the front.  Stamps like these (used on M1 Garand production). |
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It's perfectly safe if they've never been abused. You'll shoot the rifling out of the barrel before firing stresses make it unsafe. I shoot my 90 year old warhorse a few times every year. It always eats a few boxes of ammo when I do shoot it. I completely trust it. Feed it ball ammo and it never fails in any way. CJ |
"Now they will know why they are afraid of the dark.
Now they will learn why they fear the night."....Thulsa Doom
"Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?"
كاف
Now they will learn why they fear the night."....Thulsa Doom
"Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?"
كاف
 I want one. |
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If you found a really nice tight old 1911 with a C 9xxxx # and was nickle plated would you by it? They are asking 799.00 for it(too high for a refinnished pistol)but the plateing looks original(it's that nice). I'm thinking of tradeding a couple of firearms for it,anybody else have any nickle plated 1911's or is that a deal breaker? It is ser#91xxx so its a 1917 model,I picked it up today. Bob |
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When did they go to the Black Oxide instead of the Carbonia Bluing or is that something you had done? |
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Small town, religious, gun owning, anti illegal immigration, non-bitter white man.
I may never be rich, but my name and handshake will always be worth something.
If I found a nice nickel plated one (refinished or not) with that early of a serial # I would probably buy it as long as is wasn't over-polished when it was refinished. If the pistol lost its sharp lines in a refinish that would be a deal breaker for me. The likelihood of it being a original piece in great shape for that price is next to nil unless this is one of those little old lady's sock drawer deals. It is to easy for people to find out the value of these by virtue of the internet anymore. One thing about buying an old Colt that might be a little overpriced (one or two hundred dollars), hold on to it long enough and you will most likely make up the loss. These old Colts only go up in value. They just don't make them that well anymore, unfortunately. Just my opinion of course. |
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Well Here is my offering, I know it has been refinished, I also know that the Hammer is not original, I had to replace it as the original had been kitchen tabled a long time back and had worn to the point it was following. I only replaced the hammer with one I had available from I think a springfield GI. At any rate here you go. The story of this pistol is as follows, a friend of mine and a member of this site came into the shop one day with a malfunctioning 1911, one of my partners was looking at it and working with it and I paused to take a gander and my heart jumped a bit! a Genuine 1911 albeit wearing WWII plastic Grips. but an honest to goodness 1911! 1913 manufacture. I spoke to the owner and mentioned in passing that if he should decide to sell the pistol I would like a crack at it. He told me the past history of the gun, it had belonged to his dad, who had purchased it in 1957 from a barrel of pistols at a Western Auto store. For the Princely sum of $6.95, he purchased several and gave them away but he kept this one and had it reblued, he passed away and then the pistol fell to his son. Flash forward a few months and he comes back to the shop (he has to drive about 2.5 or 3 hours to come to the shop) I walked in and he handed me a Gun Rug containing a pistol. I unzipped it and pulled out the pistol it was the same 1911, I looked at him and asked "How Much???" he shook his head and held up his hand in the universal "Stop" signal, I queried again and he said it was a gift. I then shook my head and tried to return it and he would have none of it... he just up and GAVE it to me!   Here it is on a field day with its cousin from Argentina a Sistema Colt that was modified for a customer. 
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My latest acquisition, rescued from being stored in a barn for the past 30 years or so. Colt 1911 manufactured in 1918. Micro sights added by someone in the past, hammer is from a WWII Remington Rand, and the original grips have been lost. Magazine is WWII vintage. 
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Where did you find that? GI slides are becoming a PITA to find anymore. Good score. |
I do not have a license to kill, but I do have a learner's permit.
Small town, religious, gun owning, anti illegal immigration, non-bitter white man.
I may never be rich, but my name and handshake will always be worth something.
Small town, religious, gun owning, anti illegal immigration, non-bitter white man.
I may never be rich, but my name and handshake will always be worth something.
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A guy you may have heard of, Bill Adair, had it. He didn't remember when or how he got it. He usually works on restorations of complete guns. Good timing on my part. I contacted him to see if he would refinish my old slide. He told me he had the 1917 slide, and offered it to me at a very reasonable price - $385! AC |
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I do believe I've heard the name tossed around once or twice. 
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I do not have a license to kill, but I do have a learner's permit.
Small town, religious, gun owning, anti illegal immigration, non-bitter white man.
I may never be rich, but my name and handshake will always be worth something.
Small town, religious, gun owning, anti illegal immigration, non-bitter white man.
I may never be rich, but my name and handshake will always be worth something.
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1913 5 digit serial number. http://home.stny.rr.com/dechard/19131.jpg |
I just got the receiver. It looks pretty nasty on the outside, but the inside looks great--as if it hasn't seen that many rounds. Relatively speaking. Serial number is 502xxx. It may become part of my MEU(SOC) project.  
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Wow,...thank you all for sharin' the pics of the 1911 war horses
I have an A1 and took a friend shooting for his fist time and shared with him some of the history of John Browning and the development of the 1910 - 1911. His comment was "You mean he designed and built this gun without Solidworks and a CNC!?" I replied "Danged straight, the man was a genius!" The totaly pimped out 1919,... Whoa 
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