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5/11/2007 8:43:44 AM EDT
I've got my Grandfather's service-issued Colt 1911 .45 auto, but that's all I know about it.

How do I tell which model it is?  As far as I can tell, the original serial numbers were lost when he replaced the slide (because it said "U.S. Government" and he was afraid I'd have the dark suits knocking on my door).  It was issued to him as a sidearm in the 20's or 30's (I believe).

Any sure fire 1911 gurus with advice?

Thanks!

Michael

ETA:  If it helps, there is a lanyard attachment at the base of the grip near the magazine.




5/11/2007 9:16:32 AM EDT
[#1]
erial nos.on frame.
5/11/2007 9:22:06 AM EDT
[#2]

Serial nos.on frame.

I fix for you

It should have a Manufacture name on it also ..........Remington Rand , Colt etc.

-5 for not posting pics
5/11/2007 9:33:42 AM EDT
[#3]
So your grandfather "replaced" the original slide with what?

Old original military 1911s can bring a pretty penny, but not if they have been modified from their original state and as noted above serial numbers aren't on the slide but the frame.

mike
5/11/2007 10:54:02 AM EDT
[#4]
If grandpappy but the file to the cereal numbers.  Best to but the rose bud to the frame.
5/11/2007 11:14:03 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
If grandpappy but the file to the cereal numbers.  Best to but the rose bud to the frame.


Can you put down the moonshine and see if you can type that again??

WTF are you trying to say???

5/11/2007 11:58:23 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
If grandpappy but the file to the cereal numbers.  Best to but the rose bud to the frame.


Can you put down the moonshine and see if you can type that again??

WTF are you trying to say???



I think he is eating cereal and he likes old Orson Welles movies.
5/11/2007 12:01:39 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:
If grandpappy but the file to the cereal numbers.  Best to but the rose bud to the frame.


Can you put down the moonshine and see if you can type that again??

WTF are you trying to say???





I thought the same damn thing, not really sure what that meant.
5/11/2007 3:16:06 PM EDT
[#8]
OK.... more info comes to light....

There are markings on the frame that read:

Crown City Arms
Cortland, NY
A 02140

Any help?  Or do I need to keep looking?

I'll post pictures as soon as I can.

5/11/2007 3:18:58 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
So your grandfather "replaced" the original slide with what?

mike


New Colt slide.  The original frame is somewhat brownish, but the slide is definitely a dark grey.  Noticeable difference in color.

As to the value.... the value to me is much more than I could sell it for.

5/11/2007 3:22:44 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
If grandpappy but the file to the cereal numbers.  Best to but the rose bud to the frame.


Here, let me translate, I speak fluently in "hillbilly".  It is almost the same as redneck, just a little different dialect.  Here's what I came up with:



If your grandfather used a file to remove the serial numbers, then the government can't locate it by the serial number.  If you don't want to get in trouble, your best bet is to use an oxygen/ acetylene torch attachment called a "rose bud" to melt frame.


5/11/2007 3:25:02 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
If grandpappy but the file to the cereal numbers.  Best to but the rose bud to the frame.


Can you put down the moonshine and see if you can type that again??

WTF are you trying to say???



I think he is eating cereal and he likes old Orson Welles movies.


ok

in english  

If your grandfather removed  the serial number. It is best for you to put the cutting tourch to the frame. as you have a fenloy in your hands.
5/11/2007 3:26:35 PM EDT
[#12]
LOL!  Nice translation work!

Grandfather didn't do anything except replace the slide (and any other pieces) that were stamped "U.S. Government".  Those original pieces were destroyed on a band saw.  Pass the kleenex, please.....
5/11/2007 3:38:45 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
If grandpappy but the file to the cereal numbers.  Best to but the rose bud to the frame.


Here, let me translate, I speak fluintly in "hillbilly".  It is almost the same as redneck, just a little different dialect.  Here's what I came up with:



If your grandfather used a file to remove the serial numbers, then the government can't locate it by the serial number.  If you don't want to get in trouble, your best bet is to use an oxygen/ acetylene torch attachment called a "rose bud" to melt frame.




From Airplane:

Attendant:   Can I get you something?
Jiveman #2:   S'mo fo butter layin' to the bone. Jackin' me up. Tightly.
Attendant:   I'm sorry I don't understand.
Jiveman #1:   Cutty say he cant hang.
Woman :   Oh stewardess, I speak jive.
Attendant:   Ohhhh, good.
Woman :   He said that he's in great pain and he wants to know if you can help him.
Attendant:   Would you tell him to just relax and I'll be back as soon as I can with some medicine.
Woman :   Jus' hang loose blooood. She goonna catch up on the`rebound a de medcide.
Jiveman #2:   What it is big mamma, my mamma didn't raise no dummy, I dug her rap.
Woman :   Cut me som' slac' jak! Chump don wan no help, chump don git no help. Jive ass dude don got no brains anyhow.

Never thought I would see it IRL. BSW
5/11/2007 3:54:54 PM EDT
[#14]

If grandpappy but the file to the cereal numbers. Best to but the rose bud to the frame.


I um , got it on the first try ...................
5/11/2007 4:24:24 PM EDT
[#15]
As far as I can tell, the original serial numbers were lost when he replaced the slide
5/11/2007 4:29:44 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
LOL!  Nice translation work!

Grandfather didn't do anything except replace the slide (and any other pieces) that were stamped "U.S. Government".  Those original pieces were destroyed on a band saw.  Pass the kleenex, please.....


Check the frame it should say US property on it as well.

If that was hacked on, all you have is a beater truck gun.

now where me put me beer.
5/11/2007 4:34:11 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
If grandpappy but the file to the cereal numbers.  Best to but the rose bud to the frame.


Here, let me translate, I speak fluintly in "hillbilly".  It is almost the same as redneck, just a little different dialect.  Here's what I came up with:



If your grandfather used a file to remove the serial numbers, then the government can't locate it by the serial number.  If you don't want to get in trouble, your best bet is to use an oxygen/ acetylene torch attachment called a "rose bud" to melt frame.




From Airplane:

Attendant:   Can I get you something?
Jiveman #2:   S'mo fo butter layin' to the bone. Jackin' me up. Tightly.
Attendant:   I'm sorry I don't understand.
Jiveman #1:   Cutty say he cant hang.
Woman :   Oh stewardess, I speak jive.
Attendant:   Ohhhh, good.
Woman :   He said that he's in great pain and he wants to know if you can help him.
Attendant:   Would you tell him to just relax and I'll be back as soon as I can with some medicine.
Woman :   Jus' hang loose blooood. She goonna catch up on the`rebound a de medcide.
Jiveman #2:   What it is big mamma, my mamma didn't raise no dummy, I dug her rap.
Woman :   Cut me som' slac' jak! Chump don wan no help, chump don git no help. Jive ass dude don got no brains anyhow.

Never thought I would see it IRL. BSW


5/11/2007 8:51:23 PM EDT
[#18]
First of all this thread is worthless without pictures!

If the frame is USGI it will be stamped 'U.S. Property' on the right side. USGI 1911 frames do not have the manufacturer's name on them, only the inspecting officers's acceptance stamp on the left side of the frame just above the magazine release. You can figure out who made the frame by who's initials are on it. Slides are marked with the manufacturers name, although yours is a non military replacement. Very early 1911's had a lanyard on the main spring housing, although some retained the ring well into WWII.
5/11/2007 9:52:48 PM EDT
[#19]
With the translations and the Airplane references this thread has my nomination for thread of the year.


Yes, I know it is only May.
5/12/2007 7:31:32 AM EDT
[#20]

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With the translations and the Airplane references this thread has my nomination for thread of the year.


Yes, I know it is only May.


It has all the ingredients to become thread of the year!
5/12/2007 7:42:28 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:
If grandpappy but the file to the cereal numbers.  Best to but the rose bud to the frame.


Here, let me translate, I speak fluently in "hillbilly".  It is almost the same as redneck, just a little different dialect.  Here's what I came up with:



If your grandfather used a file to remove the serial numbers, then the government can't locate it by the serial number.  If you don't want to get in trouble, your best bet is to use an oxygen/ acetylene torch attachment called a "rose bud" to melt frame.




You should really think about a career change.  Cuz you are really good at that.  Dang.

Impressive.

5/12/2007 7:43:34 AM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
If grandpappy but the file to the cereal numbers.  Best to but the rose bud to the frame.


Here, let me translate, I speak fluintly in "hillbilly".  It is almost the same as redneck, just a little different dialect.  Here's what I came up with:



If your grandfather used a file to remove the serial numbers, then the government can't locate it by the serial number.  If you don't want to get in trouble, your best bet is to use an oxygen/ acetylene torch attachment called a "rose bud" to melt frame.




From Airplane:

Attendant:   Can I get you something?
Jiveman #2:   S'mo fo butter layin' to the bone. Jackin' me up. Tightly.
Attendant:   I'm sorry I don't understand.
Jiveman #1:   Cutty say he cant hang.
Woman :   Oh stewardess, I speak jive.
Attendant:   Ohhhh, good.
Woman :   He said that he's in great pain and he wants to know if you can help him.
Attendant:   Would you tell him to just relax and I'll be back as soon as I can with some medicine.
Woman :   Jus' hang loose blooood. She goonna catch up on the`rebound a de medcide.
Jiveman #2:   What it is big mamma, my mamma didn't raise no dummy, I dug her rap.
Woman :   Cut me som' slac' jak! Chump don wan no help, chump don git no help. Jive ass dude don got no brains anyhow.

Never thought I would see it IRL. BSW



5/12/2007 11:18:38 AM EDT
[#23]
This is a tech forum, not GD. OP feel free to repost subject