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3/25/2007 9:50:27 PM EDT
My gun is an older model "Loaded"

Is this typical of the older ones or is this just how they do things?

3/25/2007 9:54:47 PM EDT
[#1]
Does the other side fit better?
Mine is about the same vintage and seems to fit pretty well,
but the spring pushes it away a bit more on that side.
3/25/2007 9:59:06 PM EDT
[#2]
Both sides are the same

And it seems to get wider when compressed.
3/26/2007 8:37:26 AM EDT
[#3]
Is that the original BTGS, or is it an aftermarket?

Also, THAT is EXACTLY why I can't stand 'Factory Custom' 1911s...    Kimbers, Springfield "Loaded" models, and Colt 'XSE' crud.  Get a GI style and mod it professionally for a better fit/blend...  
3/26/2007 11:05:44 AM EDT
[#4]
My SAI loaded had great fit between the beavertail and frame. The pistol in the picture was done wrong. Shouldn't be like that.
3/26/2007 3:40:45 PM EDT
[#5]
I've put Wilson Drop in beavertails fit much better than that.
3/26/2007 3:52:55 PM EDT
[#6]
Here are some pics of a Wilson drop-in beavertail on my SN Colt Combat Commander.  

I did not do the install, I let my 'smith do that.  

At $37.00 a pop, I was not too comfortable doing it myself...I am a scaredy-cat!  

Sorry if the pics are too big....the grip is much more comfortable than the factory version.



3/26/2007 5:33:25 PM EDT
[#7]
That's not too bad for a drop-in!  

Did you not want the one fitted & blended?
3/26/2007 6:06:04 PM EDT
[#8]
I would have to refinish the frame and it is a satin nickle finish from the factory.

I really did not want to alter the finish since it was in such good shape.

Still have the original grip safety as well.

3/27/2007 3:16:51 AM EDT
[#9]
I would opt for a gunsmith to install the new one, but that's just my lack of confidence on doing such alterations on anything I'm going to carry.

The article in the current (#59) Brownells has a straightforward how to on installing a beavertail with an URL which gives even further info on the process.
3/27/2007 3:37:44 PM EDT
[#10]
I felt bad after I did my first beavertail grip safety fit - until I looked closely at some factory jobs, (Springfield and Wilson, to name a few). Then I didn't feel too bad.

3/27/2007 5:24:13 PM EDT
[#11]
Not trying to hijack, and this does pertain to grip safetys, but why doesn't someone come up with a aftermarket one that fit exactly into the existing point but has a pinned in bushing that'll rotate as you depress it? Whats so darn hard about making something like that that'll fit with no gaps? As long as its within a few thou of the spur it would look great and do the job.
3/28/2007 6:30:55 AM EDT
[#12]
There's different sized grip tang spurs.
3/28/2007 9:13:43 AM EDT
[#13]
It is the original grip safety..

The price was good on the gun and it'll shoot tiny groups making me look good, but that gap always bugs me.
3/28/2007 9:45:42 AM EDT
[#14]
That does look odd, I have a 04 Loaded and its a tight fit.

ETA: Have you taken the safety apart to make sure the pin is not worn out?
3/28/2007 10:39:23 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
That does look odd, I have a 04 Loaded and its a tight fit.

ETA: Have you taken the safety apart to make sure the pin is not worn out?


Yup, all is in spec.

It is "tight" in the sense there isn't any play it how it pivots, just doesn't fit the frame tangs.
3/29/2007 7:09:30 PM EDT
[#16]
Actually, the factory 1911's I have are near perfect fit on the BTGS. The picture below is of a milspec that I fitted a BTGS on. Not bad for a drop in, and grinding of the frame tangs.

3/31/2007 2:11:37 AM EDT
[#17]
I don't know what the big deal is. The grip safety is possibly the easiest part to fit PERFECTLY. I bought a Smith & Alexander grip safety with JIG. With the proper jig it's virtually impossible to mess up the install. This is the install I did my first try. The big problem is getting over the FEAR of cutting the frame.

4/6/2007 4:14:09 PM EDT
[#18]
That turned out great!

How hard is it to do the S&A Grip Safety? Work good?
4/7/2007 12:08:15 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
That turned out great!

How hard is it to do the S&A Grip Safety? Work good?


They sell the safety and jig together. With the jig it's almost impossible to screw up. Adjusting it for disengaging the trigger is pretty simple too. The hardest part is getting over the initial fear.

I had a "gunsmith" in NYC DO a grip safety years ago. It was the worst butchering job I've ever seen. That's when I decided if I want anything done right I'll do it myself (or pay BIG bucks for a REAL PRO).

4/11/2007 8:27:17 PM EDT
[#20]
Well I ordered the S&A grip safety and jig.. going to fit it to my COLT.
4/11/2007 11:09:45 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
It is the original grip safety..

The price was good on the gun and it'll shoot tiny groups making me look good, but that gap always bugs me.


My loaded was the same.  Really bugged me.  Eventually, after learning a bit more about the hand and gripframe interface I was able to get a LOT of mileage from just softening a lot of the edges where the web of the hand meets the gun and doing some creative ( but attractive ) hammer re-profiling.

Still, a well done beaver tail looks great.....but I have learned that it's best to let a good 1911 smith fit it for you.
4/11/2007 11:22:02 PM EDT
[#22]
I've never seen a beavertail fit that impressed me on a gun that cost less than a grand, and Springfield is among the worst offenders. I would like to reiterate the point that although a higher quality gun and a loaded model or Kimber may have the same things written on the spec sheet the difference in the metalwork is readily apparent. I suspect that in this forum I am preaching to the choir, but I had to say it anyway.
4/12/2007 6:26:04 AM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
Is that the original BTGS, or is it an aftermarket?

Also, THAT is EXACTLY why I can't stand 'Factory Custom' 1911s...    Kimbers, Springfield "Loaded" models, and Colt 'XSE' crud.  Get a GI style and mod it professionally for a better fit/blend...  


At least on the Colt XSEs, they just pop in that stupid looking duckbill safety and don't mess with the tangs.
4/12/2007 8:17:52 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
I don't know what the big deal is. The grip safety is possibly the easiest part to fit PERFECTLY. I bought a Smith & Alexander grip safety with JIG. With the proper jig it's virtually impossible to mess up the install. This is the install I did my first try. The big problem is getting over the FEAR of cutting the frame.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/DGUT/OYEA.jpg


nicely done
4/16/2007 2:07:06 AM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
Well I ordered the S&A grip safety and jig.. going to fit it to my COLT.


Just remember the final fitting is done with a small file and than sandpaper NOT a dremel.



Quoted:

nicely done


THANKS.
4/18/2007 6:53:32 AM EDT
[#26]
Got the jig and the grip safety

What is the best file for removing most of the metal?
4/18/2007 6:57:02 PM EDT
[#27]
All fitted and it looks decent. Also dehorned the butt of the pistol(and the MSH a bit) since I have to refinish anyways. Now just to have it blasted and parkerized
4/19/2007 8:21:36 AM EDT
[#28]
how much does refinishing usually run, price-wise?
4/19/2007 9:33:17 AM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
how much does refinishing usually run, price-wise?


I think Springfield does parkerizing for $75. I'm just going to get the chemicals and do it myself. Might do duracoat ontop of that(HK Black).
4/19/2007 10:50:09 AM EDT
[#30]
I prefer duracoat over Parkerizing...

The only thing is that you're going to want to let it 'CURE' and 'Harden' by letting the gun sit unused for about 1 month!!!

YES. Old Painless said he 'cured' his Sistema in the oven for a certain period of time, but that just helps DRY the duracoating.  In order for one to PROPERLY CURE it needs to sit and harden over a period of 30 days or so...  This will reduce the likelihood of the duracoat flaking off after its first use like his Sistema experienced.