Posted: 2/28/2007 4:43:04 AM EDT
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Hello- I have 2 more NH-GRP questions. 1. Does the GRP have a firing pin block? If not, does it have anything instead like extra heavy spring? 2. Does the GRP have an integral plunger tube like the Vickers Tactical model? Thanks! |
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Not having the firing pin safety is a good thing I think. But don't sweat the not having an integral plunger tube. Not a big deal really. It's a neato, cocktail conversation kind of thing to have, but there's nothing wrong with the original non-integrated build. The Nighthawk's will be staked properly and will there for life. Don't let it sway your decision. But if you do have the coin for a Vickers -- they are a really REALLY nice gun. I got to hold one the other day. Incredible. The blending and melting (especially on the mag well) was unbelievable. I wouldn't pay that kind of money for one because I don't need it, but it was a real work of art. |
Thanks for the info. Why do you think the lack of a firing pin safety is a good thing? Just wondering, not arguing. I am planning to pony up whatever cost for the best handgun I can get, but at $3,500 for the Vickers, and it's so finely crafted, I'd be worried I'd mess it up! That's why I'm looking at the GRP model. |
Make no mistake about it -- the GRP is high-end pistol as well. It should not be looked down upon at all just because it's not a Vickers. It's like looking down at a Porsche because it's not a Ferrari. I'd hardly consider you "slumming it" because you're getting a GRP  .I dislike the firing pin safety for the same reason everyone seems to. More small parts that aren't necessary. The system is safe enough as is, and this gives a chance for small parts to break. There's also a very minute chance that you cause a failure to ignite if the firing pin safety failed to disengage like it should. That could be a big deal. And it tends to make it harder to get a good trigger pull (but not impossible). Trigger jobs without the firing pin safety are generally better than with. But I guess it wouldn't kill me to have the safety in there either. Wouldn't be my preference, but I wouldn't trash the gun jsut because of it either. |
Thats because the magwell is integral to the cast frame and not blended ;) It's way too expensive IMO, a Talon or Predator is equal in all aspects and considerably less. The GRP is a great gun, you'll like it. |
When I called Nighthawk they said the mag well was not cast into the frame (GRP models) and it was removable. Also Nighthawk uses Forged frame except for their recon rail models. IMHO, Cast/forged doesn't matter as long as it's done properly. |
that's the best news I've heard out of Nighthawk since their inception. |
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I don't have any knowledge other than my own observations when I held one. It didn't look integral to me. It looked like an amazing blend job. This pistol was about as nice as you can get for fit and finish IMO. That said, I still wouldn't get one. The price tag is too high and the neato features on it aren't anything I "need", but I sure would want them if I could get them for less. |
And at $3500, they STILL have a fricking paint job on them.  I'd much rather see some PVD, E-Treat, Melonite, or something more durable. I guess the paint is meant to wear, otherwise nobody will know what an Operator you really are. |
Oh poo  ! I still think they're really nice. There's always something you can fault on anything I think. Like I said, I won't be owning one, but I won't put them down -- they're pretty hot. No idea how they shoot, but I'm guessing better than me.
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You missed the point, the high dollar Vickers pistol is CAST and the magwell is INTEGRATED. I wasn't talking about the GRP. From the NHC website: "The frame is one that Larry created and has Caspian Arms produce. It has an integral extended magazine well, as well as a plunger tube that is part of the frame, and not staked on. " |