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2/6/2007 9:34:26 AM EDT
I have convinced myself that I need another 1911. I have a few Kimbers (ultra carry and a warrior). I have been looking at the Colt Defender. Anyone have any input on the quality of the gun? Anything bad about it?

Thanks
2/6/2007 9:44:12 AM EDT
[#1]
buy a detonics combatmaster dont look back!
2/6/2007 9:45:45 AM EDT
[#2]
Can I borrow $2500 from you to buy it? That is definately in my dream collection
2/6/2007 9:52:03 AM EDT
[#3]
I have several brands of 1911's, some I shoot in IDPA and some I carry.

I have a Colt Defender and it is a nice gun! It is compact and not hard to shoot. Mine is very reliable and I have had no issues with it at all.

Just my opinion it is a fine compact 45.
2/6/2007 9:58:48 AM EDT
[#4]
I trust it enough to carry one right now
2/6/2007 10:20:14 AM EDT
[#5]
Thanks - Is this gun "to similar" to the ultra-carry? How do they compare with reagrds to size?
2/6/2007 11:31:51 AM EDT
[#6]
I think it's about the same size.

ETA: I looked on Kimber's web site at the Ultra Carry and it looks about the same size.

Every time I see a Defender for sale I think they may be a bit overpriced. IMO.
2/6/2007 4:53:27 PM EDT
[#7]
I have had my Defender for about two years and love it ! It's pretty damn accurate for micro sized 1911 and I have not had one problem with it and I even picked up second hand.

2/6/2007 5:59:30 PM EDT
[#8]
I've had a Defender for about 1 1/2 years now. It has been reliable from day one save for some PMC stuff that was definitely out of spec. [problems in many guns] It has been my favorite CCW piece and I'm very happy I bought it. No regrets.

Only problem was that on the 2nd or third mag, the front site white dot departed to parts unknown.. A little time filling the hole with brilliant white automotive paint and it's better then the original dot.

Not a huge fan of the grips, but sooner or later I'll find the grips I want. They work very well but tend to grab clothing a bit to much for me when carried in a SOB holster.

I'd personally recommend it, for a shorty .45 it has been very reliable.
2/6/2007 6:05:02 PM EDT
[#9]
We have a Defender at work that I visit daily. I been trying to buy a G23 next but ended up buying two other pistols instead.

CH2000  What mods have done to that Colt ?  I sure looks nice!
2/6/2007 6:10:26 PM EDT
[#10]
If you are a 1911 guy with a collection of toys as well as tools then by all means, round out your collection with another size and get it because you think the mighty mouse looks cool.

If you have expectations or reliance on this for CCW I strongly suggest you look at something else. Dismissing for a moment the ideology that a 1911 under 4" is an unreliable design you are left with a pistol that is more of a liability for CCW.

Advantage Defender: Compact frame and tightest barrel profile for ultimate concealabilty and comfort

Liability Defender: EXTREMELY difficult to control in comparison with larger 1911s and doubletaps are a pipedream unless you train like you're taking it to the sandbox with you. You also lose sight radius and velocity, although I cannot say how significant the latter is.

The comfort and the concealability is absolutely marginal in comparison to a compact (4" barrel on an officer frame) and the controlability issue (by comparison to the larger CCW 1911s) is enough to dismiss the Defender outright IMO.

I don't know what you have now, but if you want a great CCW package then I suggest you consider a Compact (mentioned above) or Colt's CCO (Commander slide mated to an officer frame). I think you'll be much happier with one of those unless of course you are just looking for a tiny toy.
2/7/2007 4:35:45 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
Can I borrow $2500 from you to buy it? That is definately in my dream collection


it,s a 1000.0 bucks
2/7/2007 4:38:54 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
If you are a 1911 guy with a collection of toys as well as tools then by all means, round out your collection with another size and get it because you think the mighty mouse looks cool.

If you have expectations or reliance on this for CCW I strongly suggest you look at something else. Dismissing for a moment the ideology that a 1911 under 4" is an unreliable design you are left with a pistol that is more of a liability for CCW.

Advantage Defender: Compact frame and tightest barrel profile for ultimate concealabilty and comfort

Liability Defender: EXTREMELY difficult to control in comparison with larger 1911s and doubletaps are a pipedream unless you train like you're taking it to the sandbox with you. You also lose sight radius and velocity, although I cannot say how significant the latter is.

The comfort and the concealability is absolutely marginal in comparison to a compact (4" barrel on an officer frame) and the controlability issue (by comparison to the larger CCW 1911s) is enough to dismiss the Defender outright IMO.

I don't know what you have now, but if you want a great CCW package then I suggest you consider a Compact (mentioned above) or Colt's CCO (Commander slide mated to an officer frame). I think you'll be much happier with one of those unless of course you are just looking for a tiny toy.


a gun this small isnt a range gun and is more of a close range ,SHTF pice.most gunfights are about 15-20 feet anyway.
2/7/2007 11:25:42 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

a gun this small isnt a range gun and is more of a close range ,SHTF pice.most gunfights are about 15-20 feet anyway.



The "typical gunfight" is  15' or less and a long gunfight is 3 rounds exchanged total.
When my number was up, it began at 30', progressing past 150', and at least 15 rounds were exchanged total. Are you really comfortable preparing with mimimum coverage for the typical case?

I know I am not, and I don't limit my preparations to one point blank shot at 4'. The equipment I use is designed to give me the maximum tactical and ballistic advantage for the smallest (SENSIBLE) package possible.



I agree, it's not a range toy. In my opinion it's just a toy, or perhaps a BUG. Given the benefits of the alternative 1911s I find Defenders to be piss-poor primary weapons.
2/7/2007 12:21:32 PM EDT
[#14]
I agree, it's not a range toy. In my opinion it's just a toy, or perhaps a BUG. Given the benefits of the alternative 1911s I find Defenders to be piss-poor primary weapons.

+1

If you are looking for a lightweight concelable gun go with a Colt Lightweight Commander XSE, Colt Gunsite Commander, Kimber Compact CDP II, or one of my favorites the Springfield loaded fullsize lightweight.  To me the defender would be a BUG.

I would rather have reliability with my shots then limiting my barrel length with spray and pray.  
2/7/2007 1:49:51 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
I have convinced myself that I need another 1911. I have a few Kimbers (ultra carry and a warrior). I have been looking at the Colt Defender. Anyone have any input on the quality of the gun? Anything bad about it?

Thanks


I have one. No issues; no problems. Get one !
2/7/2007 3:57:14 PM EDT
[#16]
Funny, I have no problem with tapping out multiple hits with mine. Still a hell of a lot better then the "2 finger" glocks people buy for CCW. Those suck big time.
2/7/2007 4:37:15 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
We have a Defender at work that I visit daily. I been trying to buy a G23 next but ended up buying two other pistols instead.

CH2000  What mods have done to that Colt ?  I sure looks nice!


It has been dehoned, a 3.5# trigger job, Wilson ambidextrous saftey , S&A magwell , VZ grips and then I refinished the frame with Norrell's SOCOM black. I can say that mine has never once had a problem and  I wouldn't hesitate to recommend one to someone that is entertaining purchasing one.

As far as double tapping or control , I guess it really depends on one's skill level because I have no problems what so ever when it comes to tight groups or quick follow up shots. Just keep in mind it is a very compact weapon with a 3" barrel so there are limitations. I personally own a fairly wide range of 1911s from the Springfield Operator in the pic, several Kimbers including my original carry / Pro CDP and too many full size 1911 or at least according to the wife too many but I still prefer my Defender as my daily CCW.