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10/15/2006 9:36:30 AM EDT
My wife and I attended a gun show here in savannah this weekend and both bought new 1911s. Mine a 4" Kimber eclipse and hers a Springer ultra compact loaded bith in .45. Were've both shot 3.5" 1911s in the past and done very well,but this one seems to have issues. The first thing I noticed was that it doesn't drop mags...at all. I have to press the mag release to insert a mag and press it and actually pull out empties. THey don't eject at all as far as i can tell. I didnt notice this at the gun show because the mags were in the box away from the gun. I didn't expect a problem like that in a quality gun.

Today we went to the range and put about 150 rounds through it. She could barely hit paper at 5 yards and I was steaditly about 6" low and right. I cann't recall it having any malfunctions which is encouraging, but it wouldn't worry me much considering its not through its break in period. The accuracy on the other hand does both me. I will shoot tit some more, hopefully this week and see if it gets better. I'll also be taking her to the indoor range so we can start from closer in and work on her fundamentals. Today we were at the range on post and its a bit of a nightmare.

Has anyone else had problems like this out of their new springers? I don't want to have to send it back to Springfield because it seems like a big hassle. My biggest fear is that shes going to feel discouraged and not want to shoot anymore. I was loucky enough to find a wife that will shoot and will spend large sums of money to buy a carry weopon. I don't want to ruin that equipment problems.

any thoughts are appreciated. I have to get this thing shooting right and her back onto the range.
10/15/2006 10:40:22 AM EDT
[#1]
Your best bet is sending it back to Springfield under warranty, that is what it's for

Call them and talk to them about the problems you're experiancing and let them fix it.
10/16/2006 1:59:47 AM EDT
[#2]
Pulpsmack says "Junk it !"
10/16/2006 6:50:29 AM EDT
[#3]
Take the grips off the Springfield and see if the mags come out any easier.  If so, your grip screws may be too long, and might be dragging on the magazine.

As for the accuracy, you're saying you shot it, and it shot consistently low and right?  If so, that's one thing, and can be fixed with sight adjustment.  

I think the reason she's having problems may be due to flinch.  Shoot it yourself some more and see if it really is inaccurate.
10/16/2006 6:55:43 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Pulpsmack says "Junk it !"


Not so fast...

If there are no reliability problems, then they still have a winner. I don't crap on sub 4" guns because I don't like them, I do so for the reliability issues. What I would do is ensure the gun shoots reliably and then have the pistol sent in for tweaking. Once it gets back, it's a shooter that puts them where they need to be. On the other hand, if the reliability was spotty at all, I would see if I could get a refund on shipping, send it over, and trade the pistol in for something else when it got back.

ETA: Put another 500 rounds through it before sending it in. If it takes the 500 without incident, you probably have the shooter. If at any point in time it has some hiccups (say at  300 more rounds) stop shooting, send it in, and when it comes back trade it in. Use the 200 rounds on the new pistol that won't give you a headache.
10/16/2006 1:15:44 PM EDT
[#5]
I'll try taking the grips off tonight and see that helps w/ the mag issues.

I took it to the range again today and put another 100 rounds through it.  I'm a little out of practice so I am not the best judge.  I'm not making any deffinate decissions about the sights untill I've put a least 500 rounds through it.  I found if i picked up the entire front sight post to include a hair of the slide my shoots a few inces higher.  I think the pull to the right is either us. or the trigger.  I tend to hit a little to the left w/ my Kimber and right with the springer.

I noticed that there is a set screww inside the trigger.  Is this for some form of adjustment?  I would assume if it is it is a length of pull adjustment.  Could that help at all?

Thanks for the help guys.  So far it has been reliable.  My Kimber has had two hicups, both due to the Chip McCorrwick mags.  A couple wilson cobats should fix that.
10/16/2006 1:18:14 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
I noticed that there is a set screww inside the trigger.  Is this for some form of adjustment?  I would assume if it is it is a length of pull adjustment.  Could that help at all?


That's the trigger overtravel stop, and would not change anything except how far the trigger goes after it trips the sear.  I strongly advise against touching it.  
10/16/2006 1:30:57 PM EDT
[#7]
thank you I will not touch it.  
10/17/2006 1:05:55 PM EDT
[#8]
I fixed the mag ejection problem today. I loosened the grip screws and the mag eject perfectly. A little process of elimination brought me to the conclusion that the two upper screws and one of the botom screws were a hair too long. I few minutes with a corse sharpening stone brought them down to a more appropriate length and now mags drop freely. Of course a bushing came out w/ a grip screw so i guess i need to pick up some loctite to solve that problem. I picked up another 300 rounds today, so i'll be going back to the range thursday morning to break it in some more.
10/17/2006 1:26:49 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

I fixed the mag ejection problem today. few minutes with a corse sharpening stone brought them down to a more appropriate length and now mags drop freely. Of course a bushing came out w/ a grip screw so i guess i need to pick up some loctite to solve that problem.



Glad to hear you got it resolved! As for the locktite, might I suggest you not use Red??!!  
10/17/2006 1:41:33 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I fixed the mag ejection problem today. few minutes with a corse sharpening stone brought them down to a more appropriate length and now mags drop freely. Of course a bushing came out w/ a grip screw so i guess i need to pick up some loctite to solve that problem.



Glad to hear you got it resolved! As for the locktite, might I suggest you not use Red??!!  


Nothing wrong with red Loctite.  A few minutes with a hair dryer set on High will melt the stuff enough to remove the bushing.
10/17/2006 4:26:09 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Pulpsmack says "Junk it !"


Not so fast...

If there are no reliability problems, then they still have a winner. I don't crap on sub 4" guns because I don't like them, I do so for the reliability issues. What I would do is ensure the gun shoots reliably and then have the pistol sent in for tweaking. Once it gets back, it's a shooter that puts them where they need to be. On the other hand, if the reliability was spotty at all, I would see if I could get a refund on shipping, send it over, and trade the pistol in for something else when it got back.

ETA: Put another 500 rounds through it before sending it in. If it takes the 500 without incident, you probably have the shooter. If at any point in time it has some hiccups (say at  300 more rounds) stop shooting, send it in, and when it comes back trade it in. Use the 200 rounds on the new pistol that won't give you a headache.


Pulpsmack says "Shoot it, then junk it !"
10/17/2006 5:47:12 PM EDT
[#12]
Nah, Pulpsmack says avoid it in the first place to eliminate odds of the hassles He's had to learn the hard way.
10/19/2006 2:05:08 PM EDT
[#13]
Shot her again today.  It's going to take some serious practice to get good w/ this thing.  I hope my wife has the patients for it.  I had to malfunctions.  Both times the slide locked open with rounds still in the mag.  One round I believve on both occassions.  This is with the supllied magazine.  I have a feeling a wilson combat mag will solve that problem.  Other than that its run quite well.  The sort sight radius is a little strange.  I also wish I had shot enough 1911s to tell if a trigger job would help this or my Kimber out.
10/19/2006 3:35:44 PM EDT
[#14]
A quality trigger job by a good 1911 smith is a true joy.