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11/18/2005 7:01:16 AM EDT
Ran across this today on STI's website:

The STI Legacy

For me personally, this is the prettiest 1911 I've ever seen. I was thinking about getting one of their double stack pistols when I get home, but may opt for this beauty instead!
11/20/2005 8:29:23 AM EDT
[#1]
I'm partial to the 6" trogan model w/the fiber front sight and mag-well.
I got to shoot one w/a tripp research kobra-chrome finish... it was amazing!
11/20/2005 3:26:59 PM EDT
[#2]
They are nice, but they are also about $2K, right?
11/20/2005 5:04:58 PM EDT
[#3]
They do make beautiful and functional handguns.
11/21/2005 8:10:30 PM EDT
[#4]
That is a beautiful pistol!  There is an STI Ranger II for sale in the EE that keeps calling to me, but that one is just stunning!

Woody
11/21/2005 8:27:52 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
That is a beautiful pistol!  There is an STI Ranger II for sale in the EE that keeps calling to me, but that one is just stunning!

Woody



They are nice, but why get one of those when you could have a gold anodized Desert Eagle.
11/21/2005 11:30:49 PM EDT
[#6]
Flat top side pattern cut is pretty, But I'm not impressed.

STI made it's mark on the shooting world with double wide match pistols.  
What would impress me more is a full hooded frame, solid non-front scalped Unique slide with a Bull type non-bushing barrel, since this is what I think of when I think STI.

As of now, the pistol just looks like a knock-off of the same knock-offs that everyone else is producing.
Plus really, you go the effect of checkering the grip front , then install smooth grip panels/sloted screws (read not even same indexed) on the thing?

Now on the other hand, If I was going to buy a pre-build STI factory pistol (read I just buy their slides and frames, then build from there), here is the pistol that I would sent my sights on,

11/22/2005 4:52:25 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:
That is a beautiful pistol!  There is an STI Ranger II for sale in the EE that keeps calling to me, but that one is just stunning!

Woody



They are nice, but why get one of those when you could have a gold anodized Desert Eagle.




I haven't graduated to that level of bling yet.  My urban-fu is weak.


Woody
11/22/2005 7:53:27 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
That is a beautiful pistol!  There is an STI Ranger II for sale in the EE that keeps calling to me, but that one is just stunning!

Woody



They are nice, but why get one of those when you could have a gold anodized Desert Eagle.




I haven't graduated to that level of bling yet.  My urban-fu is weak.


Woody



You'll have to work on that...and don't forget to hold it sideways as well.
11/22/2005 8:40:16 AM EDT
[#9]
I need to take a road trip to Austin now.
11/22/2005 9:28:22 AM EDT
[#10]

You'll have to work on that...and don't forget to hold it sideways as well.


First, you will need some of these:

11/22/2005 11:58:17 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
Flat top side pattern cut is pretty, But I'm not impressed.

STI made it's mark on the shooting world with double wide match pistols.  
What would impress me more is a full hooded frame, solid non-front scalped Unique slide with a Bull type non-bushing barrel, since this is what I think of when I think STI.

As of now, the pistol just looks like a knock-off of the same knock-offs that everyone else is producing.
Plus really, you go the effect of checkering the grip front , then install smooth grip panels/sloted screws (read not even same indexed) on the thing?

Now on the other hand, If I was going to buy a pre-build STI factory pistol (read I just buy their slides and frames, then build from there), here is the pistol that I would sent my sights on,

www.stiguns.com/guns/IPSC30th/images/IPSCweb05_800w.jpg




Personal preferance / intent of use.

Myself I think I looks nice enough - although it looks digitally enhanced - for finish.

As for smooth grip pannels - I like them, I am not hanging onto the sides of the gun - it is the front and backstrap that provide the traction - I like thin smooth pannels. I also like the underside of the t-guard to be checkered as well. As for full length dust covers - I am not a fan. Besides from a manufacturer's standpoint this way it fits everybody's holster and is still IDPA legal. I do hear you though about looking like every other company's $2k wonder shooter. I'd be more impressed if it had no MIM, high cut front strap, was $1,200 with 3 mags,a rug and a no hassle warranty.

My $0.02

Good luck
11/23/2005 2:57:00 AM EDT
[#12]

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Personal preferance / intent of use.

Myself I think I looks nice enough - although it looks digitally enhanced - for finish.

As for smooth grip pannels - I like them, I am not hanging onto the sides of the gun - it is the front and backstrap that provide the traction - I like thin smooth pannels. I also like the underside of the t-guard to be checkered as well. As for full length dust covers - I am not a fan. Besides from a manufacturer's standpoint this way it fits everybody's holster and is still IDPA legal. I do hear you though about looking like every other company's $2k wonder shooter. I'd be more impressed if it had no MIM, high cut front strap, was $1,200 with 3 mags,a rug and a no hassle warranty.

My $0.02

Good luck



That would pretty much be the STI Trojan, which runs right under $1,000. Much more functional pistol.

The Legacy is a barbeque gun, but I don't see anything wrong with that. I like pistols that can be pretty w/out gold and pearl.
11/23/2005 11:05:57 AM EDT
[#13]
Not to highjack the thread - but on the subject of Bar - B -Q guns - being as you is a Texan and can explain to us mere 'yain-keys' - What is the skinny on this phenom - do they get shot? What if there is a degree of finish wear - still a gun worthy of the namesake? Does a painted finsh count or does it have to be a deep bluing / hardchrome? Same deal on the rigs - must they be leather or skin (not fantastic plastic)? Is mere cowhide up to snuff? What is the "in" rig to have?

TIA
11/25/2005 10:22:32 AM EDT
[#14]
I never noticed that STI was in Austin (someone said they were?)  True?  Hell, I was talking about trying to transfer there within my company to get away from all these damn hurricanes.  Maybe that wouldn't be such a good idea after all.  Talk about being broke!

Woody
11/25/2005 1:25:21 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
Not to highjack the thread - but on the subject of Bar - B -Q guns - being as you is a Texan and can explain to us mere 'yain-keys' - What is the skinny on this phenom - do they get shot? What if there is a degree of finish wear - still a gun worthy of the namesake? Does a painted finsh count or does it have to be a deep bluing / hardchrome? Same deal on the rigs - must they be leather or skin (not fantastic plastic)? Is mere cowhide up to snuff? What is the "in" rig to have?

TIA



Most presenatation pistols are just that, to be stored in a box and not shot.  Think of it as a Colt SA that even spining the cylinder costs you money on the resale value.

Second, leather holsters do not cause less wear on a pistol than a Kydex rig.  To be truthfull, a leather rig that has oil in it will pick up more sand/dust and wear the finish off even faster on the pistol.

As for the holster of choice, want to narrow it down by a mile and tell us what you might be using the pistol for in regards to carry/target/ presentation?
11/26/2005 6:18:07 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
Not to highjack the thread - but on the subject of Bar - B -Q guns - being as you is a Texan and can explain to us mere 'yain-keys' - What is the skinny on this phenom - do they get shot? What if there is a degree of finish wear - still a gun worthy of the namesake? Does a painted finsh count or does it have to be a deep bluing / hardchrome? Same deal on the rigs - must they be leather or skin (not fantastic plastic)? Is mere cowhide up to snuff? What is the "in" rig to have?

TIA



That's kind of a tough question. I'm reminded of when a judge was reviewing a case, and needed to define pornography. He said "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it!". Barbeque guns are much the same way- not unlike custom cars, they skate the edge and done wrong can quite easily turn into pure bling. When in doubt, err to the conservative side of taste.

Barbeque guns do get shot, at least in my experiance. Think of it like "Sunday best" clothes- you wear 'em, but not to work! On a blued pistol, I think a small amount of wear is excusable- such as the top of the chamer on an auto (the bit visible through the ejection port), or wear on the cylinder of a revolver from the cylinder lock. It can look like it's been shot, but not thrown in the toolbox of a truck and forgotten. A "scar" in the finish is excusable, but you better have a good story to go along with it- preferably one involving the border.

I've never seen a painted finish on a pistol that would be nice enough for a traditional barbeque gun. Deep bluing, nickel, and polished stainless would probably be the finishes most suitable. Cowhide rigs are just fine. I don't think there's an "in" rig to have, but a custom made rig scores a lot of points, especially if you know the guy who made it (ie a local holster maker, or the owner of a leather shop in some border town). Kydex and nylon need not apply.

Barbeque guns are frowned on by many, epsecially in the "tactical" crowds, but they have a cultural niche. Texans, or at least a part of Texas culture, is known for expensive taste in boots, suits, Cadillacs, and pistols. It's more of a cultural/social type thing, if that makes any sense (I know to many it doesn't).
11/28/2005 3:34:10 PM EDT
[#17]
53Vortec - thank you for the insight - kinda figured as much but I am a world removed.

Take care
11/28/2005 3:37:49 PM EDT
[#18]
I really like the way they flattened the top of the slide and the arrowhead pointed serrations..
11/29/2005 7:25:21 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
Ran across this today on STI's website:
stiguns.com/guns/Legacy/images/Legacy1_800w.jpg
The STI Legacy

For me personally, this is the prettiest 1911 I've ever seen. I was thinking about getting one of their double stack pistols when I get home, but may opt for this beauty instead!



Pretty?

You describe a firearm as 'pretty' and your man card get punched.  Or in your case, your man hole.  Geezus man.

Pretty?

TRG

Ps.  And people think I am ghey.  
11/29/2005 7:31:25 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Ran across this today on STI's website:
stiguns.com/guns/Legacy/images/Legacy1_800w.jpg
The STI Legacy

For me personally, this is the prettiest 1911 I've ever seen. I was thinking about getting one of their double stack pistols when I get home, but may opt for this beauty instead!



Pretty?

You describe a firearm as 'pretty' and your man card get punched.  Or in your case, your man hole.  Geezus man.

Pretty?

TRG

Ps.  And people think I am ghey.  



Then I guess I shouldn't tell you about the holster I ordered for it.


Don't worry, I'll let you touch it when I get back to Texas. Might let you see the gun and holster, too.
11/29/2005 1:58:26 PM EDT
[#21]
STI may make some good guns, but they are the worst offenders of UGLY ASS BILLBOARD ROLLMARKS.

The only guns of theirs I don't have the immediate urge to take to the belt sander are parts guns.

And the Legacy is no BBQ gun.  It looks nice and functional.  Blued finish and wood grips = working gun for me.   IMO, a gun can't even be considered a BBQ model unless there's some plating or engraving.
12/1/2005 5:58:39 AM EDT
[#22]
The pistol is not blued it has PVD (physical vapor deposition) coating rather than traditional blueing. Also sometimes referred to as black ion bond. This is finish is harder than hard chrome yet still kept the black finish.
We were looking for a unique finish for this pistol.
12/1/2005 6:34:21 AM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
STI may make some good guns, but they are the worst offenders of UGLY ASS BILLBOARD ROLLMARKS.

The only guns of theirs I don't have the immediate urge to take to the belt sander are parts guns.


Agree 100%. This is one of the reasons both of my STIs are custom builds (with "clean" slides) and not factory guns.
12/1/2005 6:45:42 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
The pistol is not blued it has PVD (physical vapor deposition) coating rather than traditional blueing. Also sometimes referred to as black ion bond. This is finish is harder than hard chrome yet still kep the black finish.
We were looking for a unique finish for this pistol.



That sounds pretty neat, any more details?