Posted: 6/9/2015 9:56:25 PM EDT
| Be sure to keep us up to date on this build. I had a Detonics Combat Master back in the early 80's. Mine was very reliable and Gold Cup accurate. I think the Detonics pioneered the coned barrel bushingless design with 3 captive recoil springs. My pistol had a spur hammer but I always liked the rounded hammers like on my Combat Commander Colt. |
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Quoted: Really feel like going in this direction. http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc492/jimdgreat1/P1010059.jpg320x480_zpse7grtkkg.jpeg  |
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Not trying to bash your thread, but why bother with a regular slide and a short grip ? For one, less controllable and second less rounds. By doing the short slide it will conceal better.
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Really feel like going in this direction. http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc492/jimdgreat1/P1010059.jpg320x480_zpse7grtkkg.jpeg
That's where I'm at. Government slide offers longer sight radius, maybe better reliability (slower slide velocity), but those are the only reasons I can think of. I'd go with a commander length slide if it were me. |
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Not trying to bash your thread, but why bother with a regular slide and a short grip ? For one, less controllable and second less rounds. By doing the short slide it will conceal better.
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Really feel like going in this direction. http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc492/jimdgreat1/P1010059.jpg320x480_zpse7grtkkg.jpeg
Slide length is easier to conceal than grip length. With the pistol vertical on my side the short grip would make this a very small print. |
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Slide length is easier to conceal than grip length. With the pistol vertical on my side the short grip would make this a very small print. Quoted:
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Really feel like going in this direction. http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc492/jimdgreat1/P1010059.jpg320x480_zpse7grtkkg.jpeg
Slide length is easier to conceal than grip length. With the pistol vertical on my side the short grip would make this a very small print. i agree with that post entirely! does the picture in the OP give anyone else a boner? |
I have a soft spot for Combat Masters. This is my 1978-produced Mark I that belonged to an old friend of mine. He carried it every day for almost seventeen years, and the finish really shows it. Bluing worn off on the left side, as well as pitting on the front and back of the frame. It's currently getting the surface roughed-up and parkerized, because I carry it every chance I get. |
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Quoted: Really feel like going in this direction. http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc492/jimdgreat1/P1010059.jpg320x480_zpse7grtkkg.jpeg I concur but it sure looks to me as if the frame dustcover is way too short. |
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Quoted: http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq355/Ironhandjohn/1430007065_zps75ea4f08.jpg http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq355/Ironhandjohn/1430007057_zpsa4e42781.jpg I have a soft spot for Combat Masters. This is my 1978-produced Mark I that belonged to an old friend of mine. He carried it every day for almost seventeen years, and the finish really shows it. Bluing worn off on the left side, as well as pitting on the front and back of the frame. It's currently getting the surface roughed-up and parkerized, because I carry it every chance I get. |
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I concur but it sure looks to me as if the frame dustcover is way too short. Quoted:
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Really feel like going in this direction. http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc492/jimdgreat1/P1010059.jpg320x480_zpse7grtkkg.jpeg I concur but it sure looks to me as if the frame dustcover is way too short. It may be. I'll pick it up Monday. |
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Holy crap. Just realized I could bobtail the detonics frame. Never been done before:gif Chuck Rogers has done that before. https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=81443 |
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Quoted: Well crap. The dust cover is short. The slide is commander length but full size dust cover. Old Crown City slide. http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc492/jimdgreat1/20150615_172948_zps71frixnv.jpg Who would weld an extension on for cheap? Good idea. You need a mig or tig master welder who can put a full length on that. One of the problems you might encounter with doing a short build would be finding the right parts for a 100 percent reliable ( always dicey with short 1911s of any brand ) build. The Detonics guns were pretty proprietary. Don't know if their new stuff would work or not. |
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Good idea. You need a mig or tig master welder who can put a full length on that. One of the problems you might encounter with doing a short build would be finding the right parts for a 100 percent reliable ( always dicey with short 1911s of any brand ) build. The Detonics guns were pretty proprietary. Don't know if their new stuff would work or not. Quoted:
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Well crap. The dust cover is short. The slide is commander length but full size dust cover. Old Crown City slide. http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc492/jimdgreat1/20150615_172948_zps71frixnv.jpg Who would weld an extension on for cheap? Good idea. You need a mig or tig master welder who can put a full length on that. One of the problems you might encounter with doing a short build would be finding the right parts for a 100 percent reliable ( always dicey with short 1911s of any brand ) build. The Detonics guns were pretty proprietary. Don't know if their new stuff would work or not. Love to find a factory slide. I'll look but don't expect to find one. The dust cover isn't as short as my Springfield compact. Kind of in between that frame and full size. Doesn't look shortened. Just looks made that way. May get this welded and hard chrome plated. |
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Cocking, Detonics were designed to be carried hammer down IIRC. Quoted:
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What was the reason that Detonics milled the rear sight area? Is it just help with concealment by reducing the pistols overall height? Cocking, Detonics were designed to be carried hammer down IIRC. Ah ok never would have thought a 1911 with the hammer down. Kinda obvious now that I think about it but it ain't right. I remember always seeing them in the Guns&Ammo annual gun guide when I was in Middle School thinking they looked so weird. I guess waiting 25 years to ask why they did that wasn't to long . |
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Well crap. The dust cover is short. The slide is commander length but full size dust cover. Old Crown City slide. <a href="http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/jimdgreat1/media/20150615_172948_zps71frixnv.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc492/jimdgreat1/20150615_172948_zps71frixnv.jpg</a> Who would weld an extension on for cheap? That's a name I haven't heard in a long time. My father had a complete Crown City full-size. It's in my son's safe now, I believe unfired. |
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That's a name I haven't heard in a long time. My father had a complete Crown City full-size. It's in my son's safe now, I believe unfired. Quoted:
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Well crap. The dust cover is short. The slide is commander length but full size dust cover. Old Crown City slide. <a href="http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/jimdgreat1/media/20150615_172948_zps71frixnv.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc492/jimdgreat1/20150615_172948_zps71frixnv.jpg</a> Who would weld an extension on for cheap? That's a name I haven't heard in a long time. My father had a complete Crown City full-size. It's in my son's safe now, I believe unfired. My crown city is a commander. Runs quite well. Someone dropped a lot of money on it having the slide chromed. |
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I like the worn look of it, when I here Detonics. This is what I think of.
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http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq355/Ironhandjohn/1430007065_zps75ea4f08.jpg http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq355/Ironhandjohn/1430007057_zpsa4e42781.jpg I have a soft spot for Combat Masters. This is my 1978-produced Mark I that belonged to an old friend of mine. He carried it every day for almost seventeen years, and the finish really shows it. Bluing worn off on the left side, as well as pitting on the front and back of the frame. It's currently getting the surface roughed-up and parkerized, because I carry it every chance I get.
Turns out the guy whom was going to parkerize it is on vacation. The gun will be getting a matte bead-blast & black oxide instead. |
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Quoted: Turns out the guy whom was going to parkerize it is on vacation. The gun will be getting a matte bead-blast & black oxide instead. A comment from the peanut gallery, if you will, Sir: I think, since you carry it so frequently, that it would behoove you to do the following: Wait for the park guy to come back. Blast, park and then have your carry piece Cerakoted. It's seriously amazing when applied well. You don't even NEED to put it over park...I and a couple others just prefer to do it that way. |
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A comment from the peanut gallery, if you will, Sir: I think, since you carry it so frequently, that it would behoove you to do the following: Wait for the park guy to come back. Blast, park and then have your carry piece Cerakoted. It's seriously amazing when applied well. You don't even NEED to put it over park...I and a couple others just prefer to do it that way. Quoted:
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Turns out the guy whom was going to parkerize it is on vacation. The gun will be getting a matte bead-blast & black oxide instead. A comment from the peanut gallery, if you will, Sir: I think, since you carry it so frequently, that it would behoove you to do the following: Wait for the park guy to come back. Blast, park and then have your carry piece Cerakoted. It's seriously amazing when applied well. You don't even NEED to put it over park...I and a couple others just prefer to do it that way. While what you said is all true; the matte blue would be closer to what it originally had, for the same price as parkerize. If I wanted a carry gun with an impervious finish I'd own a Glock, which I do. Cerakote belongs on ARs, not 1911s. |
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Ah ok never would have thought a 1911 with the hammer down. Kinda obvious now that I think about it but it ain't right. I remember always seeing them in the Guns&Ammo annual gun guide when I was in Middle School thinking they looked so weird. I guess waiting 25 years to ask why they did that wasn't to long . Quoted:
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What was the reason that Detonics milled the rear sight area? Is it just help with concealment by reducing the pistols overall height? Cocking, Detonics were designed to be carried hammer down IIRC. Ah ok never would have thought a 1911 with the hammer down. Kinda obvious now that I think about it but it ain't right. I remember always seeing them in the Guns&Ammo annual gun guide when I was in Middle School thinking they looked so weird. I guess waiting 25 years to ask why they did that wasn't to long . I was told by an original Detonics guy that there were three reasons: Easier to cock from Condition 2 and short sight radius, both reportedly preferred by Sid Woodcock Most practically, to minimize the total height of the rear sight -there is a dramatic downward slope to the barrel in so short a 1911. If the rear sight were in the normal position it would probably need to be over half an inch tall. (Almost certainly these reasons belong in the opposite order, but this is how they were communicated to me) |
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The only disadvantage of the Detonics for a CCW gun was the weight. I carried a stainless steel Detonics 45 Combat Master for several years. I even carried it condition 3 a few times in an ankle holster. My carry load was the Speer 200 grain HP ( aka flying ash tray) which was used to dispatched a couple of injured deer and other critters. I ended up selling mine because I switched police departments and my new department did not approve of 1911 or SA pistols. I did buy a Glock 36 after they came onto the market. I carried it a good bit until my Daughter decided that was the gun she wanted for her 21st birthday.
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Well crap. The dust cover is short. The slide is commander length but full size dust cover. Old Crown City slide. <a href="http://s1214.photobucket.com/user/jimdgreat1/media/20150615_172948_zps71frixnv.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc492/jimdgreat1/20150615_172948_zps71frixnv.jpg</a> Who would weld an extension on for cheap? Get an extension machined and fitted and silver solder it on. |
| Have a P10 slide on the way. On sale at sarco for $75. May sell that slide depending on how it fits. Hopefully the slide markings can be removed. Might have trouble getting a 3 inch barrel to work. Missed out on a Caspian slide and Wilson barrel on ebay. Not sure I'd want to spend the money getting a Colt top end. It does like nice though. |
I cut down and modified a "beavertail" style grip safety and tried it for a while on my Detonics/Colt. But, I found the width of the safety interfered wih my thumb during cocking the hammer. I carry hammer down. So, I went back to my original idea of the modified Detonics grips spacer that is cut for the round hammer.
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Got the dust cover welded up. Used a piece of cut off shotgun barrel. (12 gauge) Cut out a .250 thick section and formed it into a U piece to match. Surprisingly it is the same thickness and should match when parked or blued.
Here is a quick pic set up with an old colt slide I have. This is a possible direction though I think it will end up officer length. Picked up a chopped slide I like better than the P10 slide I got. More pics later. 
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Quoted: Got the dust cover welded up. Used a piece of cut off shotgun barrel. (12 gauge) Cut out a .250 thick section and formed it into a U piece to match. Surprisingly it is the same thickness and should match when parked or blued. Here is a quick pic set up with an old colt slide I have. This is a possible direction though I think it will end up officer length. Picked up a chopped slide I like better than the P10 slide I got. More pics later. http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc492/jimdgreat1/20150707_160930_zpsirna9657.jpg DUDE!!! DUDE!!!!!!!!!! SWEEEEEEEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Got the 4 inch slide off ebay. Supposed to be a safari arms slide. No markings. Turned the bushing out of aluminum bronze. Uses an officer length recoil spring.
I think the feed ramp is unfinished. It has excess material. Need to check some more dimensions and mill this to spec. 
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