Posted: 6/28/2014 11:54:38 PM EDT
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part of me wants to build a 7inch longslide 1911 on an officers frame.
i have built 1911's before and i want to build an odd one. if i could get a custom slide and a lower with an extra long dustcover, would it be doable? |
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I haven't seen a 7" slide, ever.
The only thing I can think of is a STI 6" slide and a long dust cover widebody frame, but it is not a single stack. Close thing I can thin of is a STI Perfect 10. STI |
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It is doable, but could be expensive.
AMT made 7" slide guns. Not the best pedigree in the world, but if they did it, some one else can too. Those who are uber talented at welding could take several slides and make any length you want. (Not that any length would necessarily function). I have seen a gov't model clone with a 16" slide, for example. Highly skeletonized, to be sure. I don't know how well it functioned. |
| For folks who want longer than 6" barrel longslides, I suspect that the easiest trick would be to keep a conventional length slide and use a full-profile compensator blank to mimic the extra slide length. It would probably work better if the comp blank were fabricated out of aluminum to keep from adding too much weight to the barrel. |
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For folks who want longer than 6" barrel longslides, I suspect that the easiest trick would be to keep a conventional length slide and use a full-profile compensator blank to mimic the extra slide length. It would probably work better if the comp blank were fabricated out of aluminum to keep from adding too much weight to the barrel. what about those of us who want to build a longslide, not build SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A LONG SLIDE. |
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what about those of us who want to build a longslide, not build SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A LONG SLIDE. Quoted:
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For folks who want longer than 6" barrel longslides, I suspect that the easiest trick would be to keep a conventional length slide and use a full-profile compensator blank to mimic the extra slide length. It would probably work better if the comp blank were fabricated out of aluminum to keep from adding too much weight to the barrel. what about those of us who want to build a longslide, not build SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A LONG SLIDE. Then you are stuck welding a hunk of steel onto the end of your slide and profiling it to match. My way would be easier both in basic fabrication and getting it to run properly. It also has a bonus in that it would allow you to have the front sight attached to the relatively immobile comp blank. Competitors found this to be an advantage in tracking the front sight in rapid fire versus the sight reciprocating back and forth with the slide. |
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This reminds me of the oddest custom 1911 I have seen (this was back in the early 80's). It was a officer frame with a 6" slide. What the guy that owned this thing had them do was extend the slide back to meet up with the short dust cover of the officer frame. That way he could put the short original slide back on. He also had some weird 2 or 3 phase looking recoil spring assy made to the 6" slide.
When asked the reasoning behind this short frame and long slide he replied: When I run dry I can grab it by the slide and use it like a tomahawk. You should have seen the look on his face when I said: yea; but you do carry an extra magazine... right? With the short grip and long slide it was a little nose heavy/pointed low. But I only shot 10 rounds out of it. It did shoot and group well. |
| When you say "officers frame" I don't know how specific you are, but you could just find an AMT long slide and shorten the grip. Correct me if I'm wrong, but all you need to do is chop it, drill new grip screw/bushing holds and msh pin holes, get new msh and grips. |
| I seem to remember an old article where one of the classic long slide builders (Jim Hoag, IIRC) didn't bother sacrificing a second slide. Rather, he went ahead and welded an oversize chunk of barstock to the existing slide, and then machined it all to match up. If you are going to do a weld-up, you might as well start with a Commander slide to match the rails and dustcover on the OACP frame. |
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You could test out your concept by adding a nose piece to your existing Officer model. Karl Lippard sells a "nose piece" for a little over a hundred bucks. It is a add-on piece about 2" long that is like a bushing comp with no vents. Hopefully you use a bushing in your pistol now. If not you would have to change out the barrel (so much about cost saving for this "test of concept").
This add-on would let you test if you would like the feel/balance of the slide length and weight with the short handle. Yea... most Officer models are bushing-less now. so this might not be useful. But if you are using such a short grip for concealment purposes you might screw up point-ability in close engagement situation. It also may give the assailant something much better to grab onto in a "bad breath range" encounter. The add-on nose piece thing would be a LOT less expensive than manufacturing a one-off 7" slide and that custom made 7" barrel. 5" slides and barrels are a lot easer to come by and the nose piece thing feels great on my 5" Para wide body. |
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You could test out your concept by adding a nose piece to your existing Officer model. Karl Lippard sells a "nose piece" for a little over a hundred bucks. It is a add-on piece about 2" long that is like a bushing comp with no vents. Hopefully you use a bushing in your pistol now. If not you would have to change out the barrel (so much about cost saving for this "test of concept"). This add-on would let you test if you would like the feel/balance of the slide length and weight with the short handle. Yea... most Officer models are bushing-less now. so this might not be useful. But if you are using such a short grip for concealment purposes you might screw up point-ability in close engagement situation. It also may give the assailant something much better to grab onto in a "bad breath range" encounter. The add-on nose piece thing would be a LOT less expensive than manufacturing a one-off 7" slide and that custom made 7" barrel. 5" slides and barrels are a lot easer to come by and the nose piece thing feels great on my 5" Para wide body. i dont currently own an officer's 1911, i would be building it from the frame up. i have handled a 7" before and i liked it. this wouldn't be a ccw piece, it would be built as a S&G gun mostly for range use. |
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Are you dead set on the Officers dust cover? I think Officers have a shorter recoil length or something also, like the seat where the recoil spring guide rod sits is not as deep. I seriously think starting with a full size frame is going to work better.
For the slide, sarco has 7" barrels and they actually used to sell the fronts of de-milled slides. I wanted to make a 7" slide for a long time my self. |
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7" Longslide (plus comp) next to an Officer's size 1911, for reference: http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae218/treetopper/IMG_3683.jpg I haven't tried swapping tops, but you can see the dustcover itself isn't a large amount different in length. i see that, i just don't want a big gap that would allow dirt and grit to get in there. |