Posted: 6/3/2013 7:28:53 PM EDT
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Hey Guys, I have a Remington R1 Enhanced... I have noticed that the last round fired has erratic ejection and has even chewed up the brass beyond recognition 3 times out of about 700 rounds. It's either weak ejection or the brass comes back in my face or even worse with the 3 brass casings getting chewed up. This only happens on the LAST round. I did some reading and found that my extractor didn't have enough tension and the rounds in the mag supported the ejection on all rounds except the last round.
I broke the gun down and bent the extractor by pulling it towards me little by little and retesting. I tried bending it by placing it exactly half way in and pulling and even did it about 1/3 of the way in. To test, I placed a live round in the slide to see if it would come loose by lightly shaking. It was drooping very badly no matter how much I bent it. I finally got it where it was barely drooping during the test but the extractor was VERY hard to put back in but I got it back in there. I even bent it too far one time and it wouldn't fully go in at all so had to bend it back. I've seen pictures of extractors that had perfect tension and it appeared there was NO droop at all. I hand cycled a few found very lightly and it still had weak ejection on the last round. If I hand cycle forcefully, the last round ejected just like the other rounds. I guess I'll just need to fire a few times with the mag out with only 1 round in to see if it ejects properly now. The big question here is if I should just get a new extractor since I bent it back and forth so much? I should have done a TON of more research before that operation but if it test fires OK (16 last round shots) with good ejection, should I leave well enough alone? This crap drives me nuts! |
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You may have other problems, but we can start with making sure the extractor is properly dimensioned and tensioned.
Many times, a properly tensioned extractor will take a little "springing" to get it back into the tunnel, depending on the gun. The hook end should, generally, be bearing against the breechface side of the extractor tunnel when installed.... in other words, not just floating indeterminately somewhere in the extractor tunnel. Viewed from above, the extractor should have a slight, not dramatic, bend. There is not much visual difference between proper tension and not enough. What it shouldn't be is perfectly straight. You can usually err on the side of too much tension rather than going with too little, and the gun will still function. Instead of worrying about the test cartridge falling out, first note the amount of pressure it takes to push a round up underneath the hook. it should be in the ballpark of 1 to 2 pounds of pressure to insert and remove the cartridge. If you can verify that you have some kind of tension on the round, then measure the distance between the hook and breechface. You can use the shank of a drill bit for this. A 1/16" drill bit should pass. A 3/32" drill bit should not. If it does, it's probably the cause of the round dropping out despite proper tension. It's also possible there is some dimensional problem with the extractor or slide. The breechface maybe cut too wide, the extractor too long, or the tunnel cut in the wrong spot. It can be difficult to determine these cases, and sometimes more difficult to get the warranty department to do anything about it. Personally I wouldn't put any QC screw-up past Remington. If I were in your shoes, I'd invest in a good quality extractor and firing pin stop. Caspian makes a pretty good extractor that isn't too expensive. An oversized series 80 firing pin stop like the EGW unit is another good part, and it must be fit to the extractor and slide. You can control the distance of the extractor hook to breechface with it, to some extent. A well-fit firing pin stop will also keep the extractor from wiggling around, rotating, and losing control of the case. These aren't difficult to fit, given a decent file and a half hour or so of research. If that failed to fix the issue, I'd send it back to Remington. |
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You may have other problems, but we can start with making sure the extractor is properly dimensioned and tensioned. Many times, a properly tensioned extractor will take a little "springing" to get it back into the tunnel, depending on the gun. The hook end should, generally, be bearing against the breechface side of the extractor tunnel when installed.... in other words, not just floating indeterminately somewhere in the extractor tunnel. Viewed from above, the extractor should have a slight, not dramatic, bend. There is not much visual difference between proper tension and not enough. What it shouldn't be is perfectly straight. You can usually err on the side of too much tension rather than going with too little, and the gun will still function. Instead of worrying about the test cartridge falling out, first note the amount of pressure it takes to push a round up underneath the hook. it should be in the ballpark of 1 to 2 pounds of pressure to insert and remove the cartridge. If you can verify that you have some kind of tension on the round, then measure the distance between the hook and breechface. You can use the shank of a drill bit for this. A 1/16" drill bit should pass. A 3/32" drill bit should not. If it does, it's probably the cause of the round dropping out despite proper tension. It's also possible there is some dimensional problem with the extractor or slide. The breechface maybe cut too wide, the extractor too long, or the tunnel cut in the wrong spot. It can be difficult to determine these cases, and sometimes more difficult to get the warranty department to do anything about it. Personally I wouldn't put any QC screw-up past Remington. If I were in your shoes, I'd invest in a good quality extractor and firing pin stop. Caspian makes a pretty good extractor that isn't too expensive. An oversized series 80 firing pin stop like the EGW unit is another good part, and it must be fit to the extractor and slide. You can control the distance of the extractor hook to breechface with it, to some extent. A well-fit firing pin stop will also keep the extractor from wiggling around, rotating, and losing control of the case. These aren't difficult to fit, given a decent file and a half hour or so of research. If that failed to fix the issue, I'd send it back to Remington. Thanks for the reply! Well, after I wrote this, I placed an empty casing for the test and it holds the empty casing very well. The only thing that really bothers me is how hard I had to push to get the extractor back in but to be honest, I think my problem is solved. We'll have to see this weekend! I went ahead and emailed Remington to have a new one sent just in case. |
| Well, I went out and tested after adjusting the extractor. I locked a round in the chamber and dropped the mag so I knew nothing would help support the round. The 1st casing went over my right shoulder, probably 5:30 ejection. The 2nd round dropped through the magwell. The 3rd round, stovepipe. I adjusted the extractor once again on the fly. 1st round, stovepipe. I fired about 4 rounds with a full mag and it had perfect ejection like always. I came to the conclusion that the extractor that came stock in the gun HAD to be faulty. Drove back home and checked the mail and the new extractor had showed up from Remington. I installed that bad boy and placed a live round in and it was still drooping very badly. I slowly cycled some rounds by hand and sure enough, it droops badly and has a different ejection pattern while hand cycling the last round. Looking for some advice before I attempt adjusting this brand new extractor... Don't they usually come from the factory pretty well adjusted?? I can't imagine there being another problem other than the extractor since this is only happening on the last round but the same issue with a new extractor?? I just don't get that. I haven't test fired the new extractor yet and will probably try to adjust first because it's obvious just doing the test there's still an issue. |
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Quoted: Don't they usually come from the factory pretty well adjusted?? I can't imagine there being another problem other than the extractor since this is only happening on the last round but the same issue with a new extractor?? I just don't get that. I haven't test fired the new extractor yet and will probably try to adjust first because it's obvious just doing the test there's still an issue.
No, 1911 extractors are not drop in, and require fitting to each gun. Do some research on extractor fitting, there is plenty of good info on the net. |
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Quoted: Don't they usually come from the factory pretty well adjusted?? I can't imagine there being another problem other than the extractor since this is only happening on the last round but the same issue with a new extractor?? I just don't get that. I haven't test fired the new extractor yet and will probably try to adjust first because it's obvious just doing the test there's still an issue.
No, 1911 extractors are not drop in, and require fitting to each gun. Do some research on extractor fitting, there is plenty of good info on the net. Yea, I've done tons of research on how to adjust them. I've attempted to adjust the new one for the past three hours now. I adjusted it to the point where the tension felt great and held the round appropriately but when hand cycling, it's obvious there's still issues. With my old extractor, it was just issues with the last round, with the new one, I'm getting jams with all rounds even when hand cycling forcefully. I broke the gun down again and backed off the tension because I thought I had too much and still am having the same issues with all rounds now. I'm now thinking heck, maybe I never had it tight enough but it really felt good when I had it the tightest when doing the live round test. I've already emailed Remington about it and just going to send it back to them for repair... I broke the gun down probably 9 times testing different tensions with no success tonight. This gun is officially in jail. |
| Just an update on this one. I received my r1 enhanced back from Remington last week and took it out for testing today. I fired a full mag with no issues. I then fired a round with the mag out and had a stovepipe. I broke the gun down and tightened up the extractor a bit and retested. I still had stovepipes with the mag out but shot about 13 rounds with an empty mag in with no malfunctions. I guess the big question is, since I do not have malfunctions with the mag in, should I even mess with it anymore? O yea, looks like Remington replaced several worn parts, nothing really to do with my problem. They also replaced my extractor again... The one in there was brand new. |
