Posted: 5/4/2011 12:09:46 PM EDT
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I just have a few questions about using a 1911 for duty use. I'm wanting to change over to the 1911, and have had regular shooting/handing experience with them. I was just wondering if there are extra things needed to be done to keep her in tip top shape, and keep her running. I take very good care of my firearms, especially my current duty firearm (Springfield XD45). I clean my duty firearm once-a-week, and sometimes more if my firearm gets wet from rain/snow/etc. So what else do I need to do for a 1911 other than keeping her clean, well oiled, and using quality mags of course? Reliability is the highest priority here. I'm thinking of using one of these 1911's for duty use: Springfield Armory TRP, Springfield Armory MC Operator, Springfield Armory Range Officer, or a Kimber (haven't decided which model). BTW, I have ZERO gunsmithing experience for the 1911. Thanks in advance. |
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http://www.10-8performance.com/1911_Duty_Use.html
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What he said. IMHO.........If you want to go retro just get a Model 66 .357. At least it will work all the time, every time. |
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What he said. IMHO.........If you want to go retro just get a Model 66 .357. At least it will work all the time, every time. 
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What he said. IMHO.........If you want to go retro just get a Model 66 .357. At least it will work all the time, every time.
Look, I like 1911s. I have a couple of thousand dollars worth and I went to a Vickers "armorer" class. I'm not bashing them, but the niche for a duty 1911 is very very small and very few guns meet the standard. OP is takling about going to work with an off the shelf 1911 and I don't know any serious 1911 gurus who would suggest doing that. Maybe one will chime in. YMMV and all that. |
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Look, I like 1911s. I have a couple of thousand dollars worth and I went to a Vickers "armorer" class. I'm not bashing them, but the niche for a duty 1911 is very very small and very few guns meet the standard. OP is takling about going to work with an off the shelf 1911 and I don't know any serious 1911 gurus who would suggest doing that. Maybe one will chime in. YMMV and all that. x 2 I love 1911s more than the next guy, but I don't think I'd select one for duty use. If nothing else, magazine capacity is a big limitation. |
| If you want good information contacted some one from Long Beach PD in California. I went to a swat school with a couple of tiher team guys and they run MCO's on duty. They can give you a first hand account. I've carried one on duty for the last three years, but I'm primarily assigned to a plain clothes detail. I'm not telling you anything you dont already know, but they certainly aren't glocks. You have to give them a little more attention, but I'm ok with that. |
| OP, I carry a SA "Loaded" 1911 every day in a Milt Sparks holster and I have no reservations doing so. I went to the 1911 from a G27. Both are reliable and trust worthy. Just train with what you carry and get 500 to 1000 trouble free rounds downrange before you strap it in your holster. |
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This probably is a mighty broad question, because it probably depends on dept. What can or can't you do to your firearm? I read the article from the link above and it didn't really go into that. I bought a Colt Railgun with the possibility of it being a duty gun, however it is far from ready to perform anything more than a paper weight imo. Back to Colt again for service to make it right. Relatively minor things, but I wouldn't ever want to count on it as is. I was thinking down the road to have Colt's Custom Shop do their tactical package to it. Here is a list of things they do. Is it going to be a problem?
■Complete Dehorn of all Critical Edges ■Action Tune for Enhanced Reliability ■Ambidextrous or Single Side Safety ■Smith and Alexander or Ed Brown Grip Safety ■Novak Night Sights (other options available) ■Finish in Customer’s Choice of Available Colt Finishes ■Checker Front Strap- Choice of Lines per Inch ■Tune Trigger ■Flat or Arched Checkered Mainspring Housing ■Full Beveled Magazine Well ■Hand Fit Slide to Frame |
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Hello knowledgeable collective: <snip> So what else do I need to do for a 1911 other than keeping her clean, well oiled, and using quality mags of course? Reliability is the highest priority here. I'm thinking of using one of these 1911's for duty use: Springfield Armory TRP, Springfield Armory MC Operator, Springfield Armory Range Officer, or a Kimber (haven't decided which model). BTW, I have ZERO gunsmithing experience for the 1911. Thanks in advance. Replace the recoil spring at regular intervals. |
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Hmm... I have no problems using an "off the shelf" 1911 for "duty" use. A well made stock 1911, once it has been broken in, and proved reliable, is just as unlikely, maybe more so, to fail than a multi thousand dollar gun. Though I have only used one 1911 for anything serious, it worked very well. That old 1911A1 was a stock GI issue handgun made before I was born.
I hate to say this, but I feel those who believe they can only trust a custom or "factory" custom 1911 are buying into the hype from the gun rags. GI's and cops were using stock 1911's for generations before the customizing craze began. Yea, they were using "ball" ammo, and tiny sights, but that's what I used, and I know it works. |
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Hmm... I have no problems using an "off the shelf" 1911 for "duty" use. A well made stock 1911, once it has been broken in, and proved reliable, is just as unlikely, maybe more so, to fail than a multi thousand dollar gun. Though I have only used one 1911 for anything serious, it worked very well. That old 1911A1 was a stock GI issue handgun made before I was born. I hate to say this, but I feel those who believe they can only trust a custom or "factory" custom 1911 are buying into the hype from the gun rags. GI's and cops were using stock 1911's for generations before the customizing craze began. Yea, they were using "ball" ammo, and tiny sights, but that's what I used, and I know it works. As much as I respect the lineage, ball ammo and tiny sights ain't where it's at for a work gun. |
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I have had several 1911's over the years. My favorite current gun is my SS Les Baer, using Wilson mags.
That being said for the 1200 bucks that you will get a Springy TRP, you could a Glock 21 and 30 with holsters and probably 500 rounds of ammo. You could get a 22/23 combo in .40 as well, with Officer pricing. I have carried a Glock 19, 23, 22, then back to a 23 for the last 18 years. Prior to that I enjoyed 2 years of carrying a Smith .357 Magnum, with a 3" barrel. Back to the OP, if I must...... sign me up for a Springfrield TRP. Good gun, if price isn't a major issue. |
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One of the major considerations in selecting a gun for an entire unit is that most of the officers in the unit will not be all that interested in guns nor all that experienced in using them, thus initial training, requalification and maintenence become issues of paramount importance. A Glock is pretty much idiot proof in terms of how it operates and as long as you can train the monkey behind it to keep his or her finger off the trigger until it is pointed down range, he or she can probably learn to shoot it safely with a minimum of time and effort. Similarly, it is fairly easy to maintain, plastic won't rust and it does not mind running dry, so it tolerates limited or poor maintence better than most. Those factors make Glocks very popular choices for PDs and security firms all over.
Of course that has nothing to do with the OP, or for that matter anyone who likes to shoot the 1911, takes the time to get good with it and does not mind putting 5 minutes or so per day into maintence and inspection of it. And a 1911 does not have to be high end to be reliable - it just has to be a pistol of acceptable quality that is properly assembled and maintained. |
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Tacoma, WA PD issues 1911s. Kimbers. Officers can choose between the Kimber Pro and Pro HD. Counterpoint: http://ncguns.blogspot.com/2011/02/kimber-pistols-dont-impress-at-nc.html It looks like the Division of Alcohol Law Enforcement here in North Carolina has decided that the customized Kimber pistols they bought aren’t all that hot, RALEIGH ––" Little more than a year after buying 150 collector-grade handguns, officials at the N.C. Division of Alcohol Law Enforcement say the $1,055 pistols were so unreliable they had to get rid of them. Ok, who thought it was a good idea to give a 1911 style pistol to cops? What’s the matter with issuing them a Glock like everyone else? These pistols have the Division of Alcohol Law Enforcement seal carved into the grip panels. " |
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Tacoma, WA PD issues 1911s. Kimbers. Officers can choose between the Kimber Pro and Pro HD. Counterpoint: http://ncguns.blogspot.com/2011/02/kimber-pistols-dont-impress-at-nc.html It looks like the Division of Alcohol Law Enforcement here in North Carolina has decided that the customized Kimber pistols they bought aren’t all that hot, RALEIGH ––" Little more than a year after buying 150 collector-grade handguns, officials at the N.C. Division of Alcohol Law Enforcement say the $1,055 pistols were so unreliable they had to get rid of them. Ok, who thought it was a good idea to give a 1911 style pistol to cops? What’s the matter with issuing them a Glock like everyone else? These pistols have the Division of Alcohol Law Enforcement seal carved into the grip panels. " Oh I think some just wanted "custom" 1911s at the tax payers expense. Wonders how many purchased those junk kimbers at a reduced rate or got them for free? |
| I wonder if they shot the "500 rounds" required by Kimber to break in the gun, or they just loaded with Hollow points and expected to work it right out of the box. My colt works with any ammo right out of the box, but I have a Kimber that actually required 300+ rounds and slide stop replacement to start working well. Now my Kimber is just as reliable and accurate as the Colt. |
| I carried a Glock 22 for 10 years almost every single day up until last year. I now carry a SA TRP Operator full rail w/ a Surefire X300. I've fired a metric shit ton of ammo thru it on my own and in several training classes. I've had one hiccup and it was completely my fault. |
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RALEIGH ––" Little more than a year after buying 150 collector-grade handguns, officials at the N.C. Division of Alcohol Law Enforcement say the $1,055 pistols were so unreliable they had to get rid of them.Ok, who thought it was a good idea to give a 1911 style pistol to cops? What’s the matter with issuing them a Glock like everyone else? These pistols have the Division of Alcohol Law Enforcement seal carved into the grip panels. " Oh I think some just wanted "custom" 1911s at the tax payers expense. Wonders how many purchased those junk kimbers at a reduced rate or got them for free? Really!? I wonder how they managed to "get rid of" these unreliable pistols? I'm sure they just tossed them in the trash 'cause they were junk...... 
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I would go with the new S&W 1911TA E-series personally. The Colt Rail Gun and Springfield MC Operator would be other good choices. Of course, I would prefer a Glock for duty use over any of them. My brand new E Series S&W 1911 TA has been a complete and total jammomatic and beautiful pistol that it is, it's going back to the factory on their dime next week. So personally, I'd wait for some more people to act as test pilots for those pistols before I'd even consider one for duty purposes. I've never been a first user of a new model pistol before, now I remember why. |
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Hmm... I have no problems using an "off the shelf" 1911 for "duty" use. A well made stock 1911, once it has been broken in, and proved reliable, is just as unlikely, maybe more so, to fail than a multi thousand dollar gun. Though I have only used one 1911 for anything serious, it worked very well. That old 1911A1 was a stock GI issue handgun made before I was born. I hate to say this, but I feel those who believe they can only trust a custom or "factory" custom 1911 are buying into the hype from the gun rags. GI's and cops were using stock 1911's for generations before the customizing craze began. Yea, they were using "ball" ammo, and tiny sights, but that's what I used, and I know it works. As much as I respect the lineage, ball ammo and tiny sights ain't where it's at for a work gun. Agreed. My point was that the old stock 1911 with tiny sights and ball ammo worked. A well made, new 1911 with good sights and today's ammo is all one needs. Now "wants" is another story. But, you don't need to spend a hugh amount to get a reliable, capable handgun. |
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Hmm... I have no problems using an "off the shelf" 1911 for "duty" use. A well made stock 1911, once it has been broken in, and proved reliable, is just as unlikely, maybe more so, to fail than a multi thousand dollar gun. Though I have only used one 1911 for anything serious, it worked very well. That old 1911A1 was a stock GI issue handgun made before I was born. I hate to say this, but I feel those who believe they can only trust a custom or "factory" custom 1911 are buying into the hype from the gun rags. GI's and cops were using stock 1911's for generations before the customizing craze began. Yea, they were using "ball" ammo, and tiny sights, but that's what I used, and I know it works. As much as I respect the lineage, ball ammo and tiny sights ain't where it's at for a work gun. Agreed. My point was that the old stock 1911 with tiny sights and ball ammo worked. A well made, new 1911 with good sights and today's ammo is all one needs. Now "wants" is another story. But, you don't need to spend a hugh amount to get a reliable, capable handgun. The old guns worked for a reason. When companies throw all of the "fancy" parts on the new guns they run into tolerance stack. What makes a $2k gun "better" than an $800 dollar gun is that a person sits down and hand fits the parts. Even though they both look the same, and probably even use some of the same parts, Novak sights for example, one is "assembled" the other is "fitted." It costs "more money than its worth" to have a skilled crafstman tweak a gun, when a $500 gun will do the same job better. Of course some people appreciate the craftsmans skill and are willing to pay a premium for it. |
| I'm getting tired of buying 1911s and having problematic pistols. Haven't had a single one that was a solid performer. Haven't had a single pistol yet that was that great. Best one so far is an old PT-99 knock off Beretta. That gun worked really well, but didn't have a rail. Bought a new one, it was a huge POS, and Taurus were dicks to deal with. I had that one fixed, by a smith here at home, then sold it. Should have bought the Beretta maybe, but hate the safety location. The XD likes to lock the side back half way threw the mags every so often. Most of the personal pistols I've had so far are useless for duty guns, Funny how that is, because everywhere you read people give them such high marks. I think it is bull shit myself. How can I be so unlucky? I'm going to buy a Glock the next time around I guess. Hate many things about them, but they work more than they don't. |
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I would go with the new S&W 1911TA E-series personally. The Colt Rail Gun and Springfield MC Operator would be other good choices. Of course, I would prefer a Glock for duty use over any of them. My brand new E Series S&W 1911 TA has been a complete and total jammomatic and beautiful pistol that it is, it's going back to the factory on their dime next week. So personally, I'd wait for some more people to act as test pilots for those pistols before I'd even consider one for duty purposes. I've never been a first user of a new model pistol before, now I remember why. That sucks, that is the first bad experience I've seen. I would typically avoid new models but I trust Smith to get it right if something isn't working and I'd be giving it a thorough testing before duty use. Like I said, a 1911 wouldn't be my first choice (or second or third) of a duty gun anyways. |
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I would go with the new S&W 1911TA E-series personally. The Colt Rail Gun and Springfield MC Operator would be other good choices. Of course, I would prefer a Glock for duty use over any of them. My brand new E Series S&W 1911 TA has been a complete and total jammomatic and beautiful pistol that it is, it's going back to the factory on their dime next week. So personally, I'd wait for some more people to act as test pilots for those pistols before I'd even consider one for duty purposes. I've never been a first user of a new model pistol before, now I remember why. That sucks, that is the first bad experience I've seen. I would typically avoid new models but I trust Smith to get it right if something isn't working and I'd be giving it a thorough testing before duty use. Like I said, a 1911 wouldn't be my first choice (or second or third) of a duty gun anyways. I've already received the paid Fedex Shipping label from S&W but I won't have a chance to arrange for a pickup until later in the week. What's really been gnawing at me is that the more rounds I put through the pistol, the worse it has become. It won't run through a single magazine anymore without at least one stoppage or malfunction of one sort or another. I hope that Smith and Wesson can make this turd run right, because as it stands, it is beyond any shadow of a doubt, the worst piece of crap that I've ever owned in the last 50 years. I'm going to post a picture thread when I have the time and a range report as well when the I get the pistol back from the factory. But a dog like this should have never been allowed out their door in the first place; it's really that bad a pistol and I've lost a large part of my respect for S&W. The damn Llamas that I bought decades ago for around 50 bucks new in box put this E Series pistol to shame. |
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Hmm... I have no problems using an "off the shelf" 1911 for "duty" use. A well made stock 1911, once it has been broken in, and proved reliable, is just as unlikely, maybe more so, to fail than a multi thousand dollar gun. Though I have only used one 1911 for anything serious, it worked very well. That old 1911A1 was a stock GI issue handgun made before I was born. I hate to say this, but I feel those who believe they can only trust a custom or "factory" custom 1911 are buying into the hype from the gun rags. GI's and cops were using stock 1911's for generations before the customizing craze began. Yea, they were using "ball" ammo, and tiny sights, but that's what I used, and I know it works. As much as I respect the lineage, ball ammo and tiny sights ain't where it's at for a work gun. Agreed. My point was that the old stock 1911 with tiny sights and ball ammo worked. A well made, new 1911 with good sights and today's ammo is all one needs. Now "wants" is another story. But, you don't need to spend a hugh amount to get a reliable, capable handgun. The old guns worked for a reason. When companies throw all of the "fancy" parts on the new guns they run into tolerance stack. What makes a $2k gun "better" than an $800 dollar gun is that a person sits down and hand fits the parts. Even though they both look the same, and probably even use some of the same parts, Novak sights for example, one is "assembled" the other is "fitted." It costs "more money than its worth" to have a skilled crafstman tweak a gun, when a $500 gun will do the same job better. Of course some people appreciate the craftsmans skill and are willing to pay a premium for it. I'm with you...I send all my 1911 pattern pistols (except for the '30s vintage Super .38  ) to my guy to have him go through them...then I make sure they run at the range with whatever I use to stoke them with (we are issued 230GR Speer Gold Dot)...you don't HAVE to spend a lot of money...but where you spend your money CAN mean a lot...I happen to believe that spending a couple hundred to have an experienced guy run through mine is worth it...good luck with your choice...be it Colt's, Kimber, SiG, Springfield or...
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Tacoma, WA PD issues 1911s. Kimbers. Officers can choose between the Kimber Pro and Pro HD. Counterpoint: http://ncguns.blogspot.com/2011/02/kimber-pistols-dont-impress-at-nc.html It looks like the Division of Alcohol Law Enforcement here in North Carolina has decided that the customized Kimber pistols they bought aren’t all that hot, RALEIGH ––" Little more than a year after buying 150 collector-grade handguns, officials at the N.C. Division of Alcohol Law Enforcement say the $1,055 pistols were so unreliable they had to get rid of them. Ok, who thought it was a good idea to give a 1911 style pistol to cops? What’s the matter with issuing them a Glock like everyone else? These pistols have the Division of Alcohol Law Enforcement seal carved into the grip panels. " Oh I think some just wanted "custom" 1911s at the tax payers expense. Wonders how many purchased those junk kimbers at a reduced rate or got them for free? That with almost certainty is what happened to those pistols. |
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I'm getting tired of buying 1911s and having problematic pistols. Haven't had a single one that was a solid performer. Haven't had a single pistol yet that was that great. Best one so far is an old PT-99 knock off Beretta. That gun worked really well, but didn't have a rail. Bought a new one, it was a huge POS, and Taurus were dicks to deal with. I had that one fixed, by a smith here at home, then sold it. Should have bought the Beretta maybe, but hate the safety location. The XD likes to lock the side back half way threw the mags every so often. Most of the personal pistols I've had so far are useless for duty guns, Funny how that is, because everywhere you read people give them such high marks. I think it is bull shit myself. How can I be so unlucky? I'm going to buy a Glock the next time around I guess. Hate many things about them, but they work more than they don't. Even Glocks can have probelms. I had a G27 that would stove pipe every other magazine or so after 6 to 7 hundred rounds. I drove it to their factory in Smyrna GA. They were a class act to deal with. The armorer replaced everything on that pistol except the barrel, frame, and slide. They even upgraded it with the raised slide stop and replaced the sights that were just fine. That is the difference my friend. Its all about customer service and the willingness to stand behind your product. The whole time there they were giving me stuff, Glock magazines, pens, stickers, etc. They even offered me something to drink if I remember correctly. All the while the armorer took 45 minutes to repair my pistol and checked with me twice to ask if I would like a couple of upgrades, (the sights and raised slide release). Thats the difference between Glock and your experience with Taurus. In my experience with pistols, Springfield Armory (1911's) and Smith & Wesson (M&P pistols) have the same customer service as Glock. You can't go wrong with these 3 companies. The will make it right until your satisfied. |
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Look, I like 1911s. I have a couple of thousand dollars worth and I went to a Vickers "armorer" class. I'm not bashing them, but the niche for a duty 1911 is very very small and very few guns meet the standard. OP is takling about going to work with an off the shelf 1911 and I don't know any serious 1911 gurus who would suggest doing that. Maybe one will chime in. YMMV and all that. x 2 I love 1911s more than the next guy, but I don't think I'd select one for duty use. If nothing else, magazine capacity is a big limitation. Tacoma, WA PD issues 1911s. And they had had a lot of issues. Tacoma PD does not issue Kimber exclusively, they offer several different weapons and officers choose what they want. |
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Quoted: You mention the RO, which I have some experience with. If you went with this gun, you would probably want to replace the adjustable rear sight, which will dig in your side badly. Also, I assume you will want to use some hollow points, make sure they will feed. I loaded some Hornady XTP 185 hps, and had to play with the COAL to get them to feed reliably.Hello knowledgeable collective: I just have a few questions about using a 1911 for duty use. I'm wanting to change over to the 1911, and have had regular shooting/handing experience with them. I was just wondering if there are extra things needed to be done to keep her in tip top shape, and keep her running. I take very good care of my firearms, especially my current duty firearm (Springfield XD45). I clean my duty firearm once-a-week, and sometimes more if my firearm gets wet from rain/snow/etc. So what else do I need to do for a 1911 other than keeping her clean, well oiled, and using quality mags of course? Reliability is the highest priority here. I'm thinking of using one of these 1911's for duty use: Springfield Armory TRP, Springfield Armory MC Operator, Springfield Armory Range Officer, or a Kimber (haven't decided which model). BTW, I have ZERO gunsmithing experience for the 1911. Thanks in advance. |
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Hello knowledgeable collective: I just have a few questions about using a 1911 for duty use. I'm wanting to change over to the 1911, and have had regular shooting/handing experience with them. I was just wondering if there are extra things needed to be done to keep her in tip top shape, and keep her running. I take very good care of my firearms, especially my current duty firearm (Springfield XD45). I clean my duty firearm once-a-week, and sometimes more if my firearm gets wet from rain/snow/etc. So what else do I need to do for a 1911 other than keeping her clean, well oiled, and using quality mags of course? Reliability is the highest priority here. I'm thinking of using one of these 1911's for duty use: Springfield Armory TRP, Springfield Armory MC Operator, Springfield Armory Range Officer, or a Kimber (haven't decided which model). BTW, I have ZERO gunsmithing experience for the 1911. Thanks in advance. Don't do it Brother. I'm just getting interested in 1911's myself, so I'm by no means an expert on them. And I'm not trying to insult the 1911 or the 1911 guys that have helped answer alot of questions on this forum. BUT There is no fucking way I would start carrying a 1911 or recommend a BOTS to do so either. ESPECIALLY if you aren't very proficient with them. I like all guns, I want to own a few 1911's myself. But if my life may be on the line, I will want my Glock-21 with me every time. YMMV Flame suit on. |
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Colt guy, so bear with me,,,
Seems to me, and this is only an observation. My Delta Elite 10mm wasn't a match grade gun. Strickly a series 80 combat gov model. It worked flawless.(despite the 10-8 article that says 45acp the most reliable and it is the one to go with) I got rid of it because most departments won't allow the 10mm. Stupid, the 10mm rocks, but that is an arguement for another day. This pos 1991 Commander I have (we shouldn't use for duty via artical, due to length) is loose as a goose needing everything done. It don't even have sights as is. But I shot it just to see. So far even without sights it groups way better than the new Railgun does at 25yards and is completely reliable the little I shot it. My new match grade barreled Railgun isn't. I mean, wtf is up with that? Anything I have ever had "match grade" in 1911's are total pos. I wouldn't trust them as a duty 1911. I think maybe I want the loosest fitting Colt (brand loyal) I can find, Something totally sloppy as hell. It is the only way they seem to work, and work well. I look at Wilson Combat and others and drool, but I'm not sure I want them. Anytime I touch a tight 1911 it fails. Fuck that spending 2k or more for a duty gun that may or may not work. Then according to the article, and it sounds like a good plan, to also have an identical back-up. Oh come on! I wasn't born with a silver spoon in hand to swing 2 of them high enders. I could have 2 brand new Delta Elites for the price of one Special Combat and probably have two completely reliable sidearms that would serve me well. Given my luck with anything match grade and or 45acp, I'd wager both Delta's would be going strong long after a Special Combat jammed. |
Back in the "Day" when I was on the tactical team, I carried a Colt Combat Elite into harms way and never felt under gunned. It was totally reliable and I even competed in Police shoots with it. Sadly I was forced by the courts to sell all my guns when I got divorace and split half the proceeds with my exwife.
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When I became a LEO over 20 years ago, my issued duty weapon was a stock 80 series Colt Commander with 3 dot sights. The weapon ran flawless and I shot 1000's of rounds through it to make sure it was reliable. I even ran the thing dry (no oil) to may sure it would function that way and I never had a problem with it. Stock 1911's with good sights work fine for me.
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