Posted: 10/10/2010 10:26:55 AM EDT
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Not cutting it for me. I have a Kimber that is just unreal. Compared to that, the SA is sub par.
I swapped the original bushing for one much tighter, but it didn't help much. Any ideas for what I can do myself? Or am I trying to make it more than what it is? Cash it out and get an Operator or TRP? Thanks in advance. |
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Trigger job next. I found that my SA TRP's trigger was not as nice as my Kimber Custom IIs trigger both in stock form. I had a trigger job performed on the Kimber and it got unreal how accurate I was with it using cheap ammo. It convinced me to have the job performed on my TRP and I shortly thereafter sold my Kimber, I'm amazed at how much better I shot my SA once I got it a trigger job.
EDIT: Adjusted to reflect SGB's point. |
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How do you define accurate? The mechanical accuracy of the firearm or your ability to shoot it accurately? If you're talking about mechanical accuracy then you need to check the front and rear lock up of the barrel. If you're talking about your ability to shoot it accurately nothing does that better than a quality trigger job.  |
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Trigger job next. I found that my SA TRP's trigger was not as nice as my Kimber Custom IIs trigger both in stock form. I had a trigger job performed on the Kimber and it got unreal how accurate I was with it using cheap ammo. It convinced me to have the job performed on my TRP and I shortly thereafter sold my Kimber, I'm amazed at how much better I shot my SA once I got it a trigger job. EDIT: Adjusted to reflect SGB's point. Who did the trigger job. |
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How do you define accurate? The mechanical accuracy of the firearm or your ability to shoot it accurately? If you're talking about mechanical accuracy then you need to check the front and rear lock up of the barrel. If you're talking about your ability to shoot it accurately nothing does that better than a quality trigger job. How do I check the lock up? I am new to working on 1911s. |
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Easiest thing for you to do is to push down on the barrel hood while the gun is in battery to see if you have any movement in the rear lockup, it's not uncommon for production 1911s to have a very small amount, though zero movement would be preferable. The other is of course the barrel bushing. A 1911 gets 95% of it's accuracy from consistent barrel to slide lockup. The easiest way to get noticeable improvement in mechanical accuracy is to have a match grade barrel bushing fit and have the muzzle re-crowned. |
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Make sure the pistol is unloaded. Close the slide. Using your finger see if there is any movement when you push the muzzle up and sideways. Then see if you can feel any movement at the rear of the barrel just inside the ejection port. There should not be any that you can feel.
I have some SA Loaded 1911s. One of them would string rounds horizontally. It was weird. I got it used, and cheap- probably because of that problem. I sent it to Springfield. They re-fit the slide to the frame and installed a new barrel and bushing. I use that pistol in my matches including NRA Bullseye pistol. It is accurate enough for me to shoot an 835. Actually it is more accurate than that- the loose nut behind the trigger is the limiting factor. Other than what Springfield did the only other mods were prepping the hammer and sear and nending the sear spring slightly to give me a 3.5# trigger pull. On a very good day, from sandbags, I can shoot around a 2" to 2.5" group at 50 yards. I don't shoot for group size usually. The last time I did was when I worked up the load I shoot now, and that was a few years ago. Jim |
| Springfield is sensitive to negative feedback... In a good way. My 1911 of choice is Colt and always will be. If your 1911 was a Colt I wouldn't recommend you send in because generally, (based on my experience) you get it their way and on their time schedule. Not case with Springfield. Call your numbers (suggestion) and explain in detail your comparison to your other 1911. Explaining your not having issues with it, just the SA. Complain about trigger and anything else you can think of. If weather's shitty outside throw that in too. I'm thinking you'll be amazed what you get back and how little it costs if anything except maybe shipping. Have been lots.... of SA 1911 owners that have expressed gratitude and satisfaction with Springfield warranty. Some original owner, some second and third hand. |
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I sent my loaded back to SA because of accuracy and FTE problems.
They replaced the barrel, lug, barrel link, and tuned the trigger. It came back super accurate. Before it was shooting all over the place at 25 yards. It just went back again as it continues to jam. Not impressed or amused with this gun. 
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Springfield is sensitive to negative feedback... In a good way. My 1911 of choice is Colt and always will be. If your 1911 was a Colt I wouldn't recommend you send in because generally, (based on my experience) you get it their way and on their time schedule. Not case with Springfield. Call your numbers (suggestion) and explain in detail your comparison to your other 1911. Explaining your not having issues with it, just the SA. Complain about trigger and anything else you can think of. If weather's shitty outside throw that in too. I'm thinking you'll be amazed what you get back and how little it costs if anything except maybe shipping. Have been lots.... of SA 1911 owners that have expressed gratitude and satisfaction with Springfield warranty. Some original owner, some second and third hand. Always good advice. I would like to learn, ergo diagnose what issue I think I am having. However, I did buy it 2nd hand and had FTE issues and so it went back and that was corrected. I had an extra bushing and put it in - it was very tight. Didn't help matters and on ocassion the slide fails to lock open on an empty mag. I think I will put back the original bushing, test as noted above and then shoot factory ammo (I was using reloads on the slide not locking back) and go from there. Worst case I send it back to SA and spend a few dollars because I am just not happy with the pistol as it stands. Before swapping the bushing and using reloads, it was reliable - just not accurate. Smith - I will send you an IM on a related question |
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I sent my loaded back to SA because of accuracy and FTE problems. They replaced the barrel, lug, barrel link, and tuned the trigger. It came back super accurate. Before it was shooting all over the place at 25 yards. It just went back again as it continues to jam. Not impressed or amused with this gun.
Coming from the others side of the coin I have a Loaded Champion and could not be happier. Extremely accurate with zero issues. |
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How did it play out with pushing down on the barrel hood? I've got 4 Springfields and they all came with pretty loose barrel bushings. One of them is getting some stuff done at a custom shop (new barrel and bushing being one of them) and the other 2 that I shoot regularly have custom-ordered bushings from EGW. If your lugs are overcut, you can either get it rewelded and refit, or get a new barrel fit. Personally, I'd suggest giving Springfield a call. They've got a reputation for throwing a new Storm Lake barrel and fitting a new bushing when people complain about accuracy of pistols. |
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How did it play out with pushing down on the barrel hood? I've got 4 Springfields and they all came with pretty loose barrel bushings. One of them is getting some stuff done at a custom shop (new barrel and bushing being one of them) and the other 2 that I shoot regularly have custom-ordered bushings from EGW. If your lugs are overcut, you can either get it rewelded and refit, or get a new barrel fit. Personally, I'd suggest giving Springfield a call. They've got a reputation for throwing a new Storm Lake barrel and fitting a new bushing when people complain about accuracy of pistols. New bushing was from EGW. I have been through a hellish week, so haven't had time to do any gun stuff. I'll get it resolved in time. |
