Posted: 6/14/2010 9:29:35 PM EDT
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I need help here. I can't decide between the Glock 23 or the Springfield XD 40 for CCW when I'm outside of Communist Illinois. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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do a search...LOTS of topics on this
while it IS shooter dependent (yes, its up to YOU...go out there yourself and test fire and decide for yourself), imo, the Glock is superior (yes, i've owned both––competed, trained, and shot both extensively) in construction, manf, quality, durability, reliability, simplicity, and cheaper/easier to get mags, ammo, parts, and accessories btw the 2, i'd get a glock over any XD any day of the week YMMV |
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do a search...LOTS of topics on this while it IS shooter dependent (yes, its up to YOU...go out there yourself and test fire and decide for yourself), imo, the Glock is superior (yes, i've owned both––competed, trained, and shot both extensively) in construction, manf, quality, durability, reliability, simplicity, and cheaper/easier to get mags, ammo, parts, and accessories btw the 2, i'd get a glock over any XD any day of the week YMMV Absolutely. Well-put. Glock. |
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I personally just don't like the ergonomics of the Glock, nor the trigger. I've owned 2 XDs and they've both been 100% reliable over several thousand rounds. Both guns are proven to be good guns for your purpose. Go check them out for yourself and try them. See what you like better. Good luck. |
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I've had both.
I have small hands so XD fits met better than Glock. But two XD-9's (service and compact) I had FTE problem consistently with ammo at hand (WWB, Federal, and Blazer Gold) Glock has been reliable but like I said, it didn't fit my hand very well. Also, my children couldn't shoot well with it. Finally, after 20 years, I went back to Ruger P series. That's my two cents. ETA: I've had bunch of Mec-Gar (not the factory stainless factory) XD 18 round magazines. These were converted to Taurus 24/7 and Ruger with different mag base plate fitted. So I can use the mag in both guns with no problem. My point is Glock mags only work in Glock. But non-factory XD mags can be converted to use in other guns. |
| I have Glocks and XD's. Both are good guns and I like them for different reasons. I have 3 XD's (4" Service 45, 4" Service 40 and 40SC) and G23 and G22. No malfunction out of any of them!!!! My XD's are around 5000 rds plus and the Glocks are 7000 (Had the glocks longer). But my EDC is a XD 40SC, I like the feel and how it shoots. |
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Which ever feels best in your hand and whichever you shoot better. Both are proven and reliable. Next. ETA: almost This. I would say that you should go with Glock if it's reasonable comfortable for you to shoot. I recently found out the hard and expensive way that Glocks aren't for me  So get the Glock IF it's grip works for you. If not, get the pistol whose grip DOES work for you.
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Go to your local fun shop and handle both side by side. Get the one that feels better reguardless of what anyone here or anywhere els tells you.
there are fanboys for both platforms that will push you for one or the other just to support what they own. I own both, both are great. Pick what fits you |
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do a search...LOTS of topics on this while it IS shooter dependent (yes, its up to YOU...go out there yourself and test fire and decide for yourself), imo, the Glock is superior (yes, i've owned both––competed, trained, and shot both extensively) in construction, manf, quality, durability, reliability, simplicity, and cheaper/easier to get mags, ammo, parts, and accessories btw the 2, i'd get a glock over any XD any day of the week YMMV Absolutely. Well-put. Glock. I am not a millionaire by any means. When I purchase something I have to add in the value that purchase will bring to me... When it comes to handguns, I think the Glock is the best purchase. When you add in all the other variables of the gun purchase, Glock is the best choice. Just like the post above... Add in all the maintenance cost and the availablity of, extra magazines, and parts, and Glock is the best choice. There might be "better" guns out there... But nothing is more reliable than a Glock, and nothing is cheaper in the long-run than a Glock. They might both be in the *initial* purchase price range... But in the long-run, I believe the Glock will be the most intelligent purchase on your part. |
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I need help here. I can't decide between the Glock 23 or the Springfield XD 40 for CCW when I'm outside of Communist Illinois. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Good to see you're still alive old man! Go with the Glock. IMHO its a better overall weapon than the XD...or possibly I just attract people that bought lemon XD's. Out of all the so called "reliable" big name guns, the ones I see go down the most often are XD's. |
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I need help here. I can't decide between the Glock 23 or the Springfield XD 40 for CCW when I'm outside of Communist Illinois. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Good to see you're still alive old man! Go with the Glock. IMHO its a better overall weapon than the XD...or possibly I just attract people that bought lemon XD's. Out of all the so called "reliable" big name guns, the ones I see go down the most often are XD's. Yes I'm still aive just lurking in the SF area for the time being. Back when I worked at the range I've seen a couple horrible malfunctions with the Gock. The shooter pulled the trigger and the guns sort of blew apart on the rail when sliding back. That has me kind of leary about the Glocks. Thanks for your opinions and info. I'll have to go finger the guns again. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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The Glock is a professional's pistol. The XD, not so much. They have been entered in several LE agency evaluations an have never faired well. . Exactly. How many departments, here and abroad, issue the Glock? And how many issue the XD? And there's a reason for that. 
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The Glock is a professional's pistol. The XD, not so much. They have been entered in several LE agency evaluations an have never faired well. . Exactly. How many departments, here and abroad, issue the Glock? And how many issue the XD? And there's a reason for that. You mean reasons like the Glock has been out about 15 years longer, and had a huge run up for officer deployment without any other competitor in the 'polymerr frame, striker fired SA pistol' catagory? Sorry, just teasing. I am personally a M&P fan; I sold both my Glocks for M&Ps. I would say that you would be well served by either a Glock, an XD (or an M&P). The major difference in the 3 are grip anges. Get what is more comfortable for you. |
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I vote XD. This is primarily due to the fact that the XD fits my hand better. I consider all other aspects equal. Nothing wrong with a Glock. Same here. The XD corrects the glock's mistake in the grip angle dept. And the the XD's trigger, while not the greatest new-out-of-the box, is still superior to the Glock trigger. And the stock sights are better as well. The XD has a fully supported chamber where Glock .40's don't...that's why Glocks have a propensity to KB. Get the XD and don't look back... |
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The Glock is a professional's pistol. The XD, not so much. They have been entered in several LE agency evaluations an have never faired well. . Exactly. How many departments, here and abroad, issue the Glock? And how many issue the XD? And there's a reason for that. $$$ is the only reason. Glock is practically giving away the pistols for LE. Irrevelant. |
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Glock's grip angle is ergonomically correct. The Glock is designed the way you should hold a pistol; not the way you want to hold it.
The XD corrects the glock's mistake in the grip angle dept. People are not built the same, so the "best" angle will vary from person to person. I think the Glock grip angle has more to do with engineering (and the Glock is a wonderful piece of engineering!) than with errgonomics. calling it 'ergonomically correct' is more marketing than anything else. |
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Quoted: People are not built the same, so the "best" angle will vary from person to person. I think the Glock grip angle has more to do with engineering (and the Glock is a wonderful piece of engineering!) than with errgonomics. calling it 'ergonomically correct' is more marketing than anything else. Go look at any Olympic target pistol. See the grip angle? |
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People are not built the same, so the "best" angle will vary from person to person. I think the Glock grip angle has more to do with engineering (and the Glock is a wonderful piece of engineering!) than with errgonomics. calling it 'ergonomically correct' is more marketing than anything else. Go look at any Olympic target pistol. See the grip angle? Yes, I do. I even understand why that is. Pushing your wrist down places the bore axis closer to your wrist. It help eliminate muzzle flip, among other things. Great, from an engineering point of view. However, that view is limited. The Olympic target pistol is a speciality piece designed for very specific circumstances used by a very few number of people specifically and highly trained it. That is hardly a basis to determine it to be universal. The problem with that sharp of an angle is the stresses it places on some people wrists, where the discomfort of forcing a joint into an odd angle outweighs the benifits drawn from the pistol for having that angle. Ergomonics is working with the bodies mechanics to get better performance, not forcing the body into a position to accomplish the same task. I am not getting down on Glocks. I have owned three of them in the past, and used to swear by them. Unfortunately, my wirsts were no longer able to deal with the angle I forced them into, and I found my snap shots drifting higher and higher as my wrists protested. I found another firearm that worked very well for me. Your statements seem to incidate that you veiw the glocks angle as the ONLY correct angle. Is this true? I am also trying very hard not to make a snide comment about your stance on this position in relation to your username. It is difficult, but I feel it would cause a digression from the subject. |
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glock's grip angle is loosely based on the older EU/german angles (ie: think luger) and confirmed by gaston glock during ititional testing back in the early 80s
the story goes that glock litterly got 2 boards, nailed em together and found the angle (22degrees) to be the most "natural" angle from which he could hold the pistol, esp. even if his hand was injured; glock rolled w/ a 21.5deg grip angle |
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while i think that the XD IS a more natural ergonamic friendly gun w/ more folks, so is the MP
ironically, the MP has been out less yrs than the XD, yet IT has taken off compared to the XD w/ LEO depts...while that is a huge factor of previous bids/contracts of SW embeded w/ LEO depts, you also have to think of how much of it is also b/c its a MP imo, the MP IS also superior to the XD...while not as simplistic or cheap as glocks, the MP does offer better ergos, great reliability, and sound workmanship and quality |
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Here's my two cents.
I never liked Glocks. Preferred stuff with real steel, heft, and weight. Mostly thought about 1911s and Sigs. Then one day one of my friends let me shoot his Springfield XD 9mm and I really really enjoyed it. For about 4 months I kept my eye on XD prices and deals, as I planned to buy the first good deal I saw. Then at some point, I read a comment that said something along the lines of, "XDs are nice, but really, they're just trying to copy Glocks." Whether that comment is right or not, I think there is at least SOME validity to it in that Glocks have been around a lot longer than XDs and have a proven track record. So I thought I'd give Glocks another chance. Long story short, I just came back from my first range trip with my new Glock 19 and this might as happy as I've ever been with a gun purchase. I plan to use it for CCW. |
| Glock - all the way. I have had several of each, and the XD-40 had feeding problems. This was the subcompact model. Even after having the feedramp polished, it still would not reliably feed hollow points. The 9mm XD's were reliable, but lacked accuracy, at least in my hands. The glocks I have owned, across the caliber spectrum, have all been 100% reliable out of the box and more accurate than the XD. The Glock also doesn't have that awful grip safety. I would pay quite a bit more to have the Glock over any XD. |
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Your statements seem to incidate that you veiw the glocks angle as the ONLY correct angle. Is this true? No, but Gaston and his team put a great deal of effort into it. It's certainly not a "mistake." Good post BTW. The problem with Glocks isn't the angle of the grip from the bore axis. The problem with Glocks is that mother fucking hump at the bottom of the backstrap. FLAT BACKSTRAP PLEASE. I owned a Glock just long enough to realize that I cannot tolerate that fucking hump. I will never buy another pistol of any kind with an arched lower backstrap. |
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If it has to be .40, I would look at a used sig 229. I only like Glocks in 9mm, and I cannot stand the XD. It just doesn't point well for me.
Look on gunbroker for the Sig. you should be able to get a used one for a comparable price to the aforementioned brands. |
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XD.
More comfortable, seems more natural in my hand, and the trigger on my new XD is better then my brother's broken in G22. Personally i can put 5 rounds in a 3" circle from 15 yards away within a few seconds, with the G22, i put 5 rounds within a 8" circle. I also have been able to put 3 rounds touching eachother from 50 feet away. To me my XD is easier to shoot, and im using the factory sights. Also when my hands are sweaty i can grip the XD much better then the G22 |