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5/29/2010 5:47:06 PM EDT
I love my P239.  It carries well, it shoots well, it feels like a well-made piece of machinery and it has never, ever, had a malfunction of any kind.



But I'm having trouble with the DA/SA trigger.  I can't get DA shots to group well, and double taps with the first one DA always send the second one WAY high.  I want to make this gun work well for me in DA/SA transitions, and I'm starting to wonder if I should have the trigger worked on.  Or, maybe I just need more practice, or maybe there is something specific that I'm doing wrong.



Has anybody here gotten good results with trigger work on a DA/SA P239?  If so, how much should I expect to pay, and who do you recommend?  Or is the problem not the trigger, but me?
5/29/2010 7:10:44 PM EDT
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Quoted:


I love my P239.  It carries well, it shoots well, it feels like a well-made piece of machinery and it has never, ever, had a malfunction of any kind.



But I'm having trouble with the DA/SA trigger.  I can't get DA shots to group well, and double taps with the first one DA always send the second one WAY high.  I want to make this gun work well for me in DA/SA transitions, and I'm starting to wonder if I should have the trigger worked on.  Or, maybe I just need more practice, or maybe there is something specific that I'm doing wrong.



Has anybody here gotten good results with trigger work on a DA/SA P239?  If so, how much should I expect to pay, and who do you recommend?  Or is the problem not the trigger, but me?


It's mostly a training issue, but it's also kind of a human issue too.  And in that I mean that a DA/SA gun is kind of like walking and chewing gum, or patting your head and rubbing your stomach.  Some do it easily, and others struggle to master it.



Years ago I carried DA/SA guns and worked hard on getting all my shots on target.  After much practice I finally got so I could place the DA and the following SA shots where I wanted them.  There were still some glitches, It was easy to fire the second shot when I only wanted to fire one, and if I went too fast it was easy to pull the second one off target.  As you noted, the transition is the sticking point.



Are you good with a DA trigger?  I wasn't, having grown up on SAO revolvers and autos.  What I did was get a .22 DA revolver and practiced till I could put all my DA shots on target at 10 yards, rapid fire.  I took that gun to the range every week and put a minimum of 100 rounds through it DA.  When I could quickly nail the target with all 6 shots fast, I went back to the auto and practiced it's DA pull.  Then I started doing double taps.  You have to force yourself to go slow at first, making sure the sights come back on target after the first shot.  Being high means it's going off too soon.  It's a timing/trigger pressure issue.  Once you get it down, slowly speed back up.  And learn to be happy with double taps, because if you're like me it will be hard only shoot once, the second shot was automatic, like it or not.



I eventually stopped carrying DA/SA guns and sold most of them including my Sigs. But lately my renewed interest in S&W 3rd gen autos has made me start working with them again.  The DA pull is the hardest part, get that down and the rest is just timing.  And as I mentioned, I feel that a DA 22 revolver is a great way to get your DA trigger pull down.  I also picked up a set of laser grips for my Ruger SP-101 and some snap caps so I could practice my DA pull at home.  Being able to see the dot move is a real help to learning to pull the trigger straight back with a steady, quick pressure.



And still I find a DAO gun like the S&W 4453 to be easier to shoot fast and on target than a DA/SA gun like the 3913.  A trigger that stays the same weight and length from shot to shot is a far easier gun to master and use under stress, at least IMO.



 
5/30/2010 4:22:02 AM EDT
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I have nothing to add except that, 3rdpig, that was an excellent post. Your "training issue" and "human issue" description is right on.
5/30/2010 6:38:46 AM EDT
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Quoted:





Quoted:

I love my P239.  It carries well, it shoots well, it feels like a well-made piece of machinery and it has never, ever, had a malfunction of any kind.



But I'm having trouble with the DA/SA trigger.  I can't get DA shots to group well, and double taps with the first one DA always send the second one WAY high.  I want to make this gun work well for me in DA/SA transitions, and I'm starting to wonder if I should have the trigger worked on.  Or, maybe I just need more practice, or maybe there is something specific that I'm doing wrong.



Has anybody here gotten good results with trigger work on a DA/SA P239?  If so, how much should I expect to pay, and who do you recommend?  Or is the problem not the trigger, but me?


It's mostly a training issue, but it's also kind of a human issue too.  And in that I mean that a DA/SA gun is kind of like walking and chewing gum, or patting your head and rubbing your stomach.  Some do it easily, and others struggle to master it.



Years ago I carried DA/SA guns and worked hard on getting all my shots on target.  After much practice I finally got so I could place the DA and the following SA shots where I wanted them.  There were still some glitches, It was easy to fire the second shot when I only wanted to fire one, and if I went too fast it was easy to pull the second one off target.  As you noted, the transition is the sticking point.



Are you good with a DA trigger?  I wasn't, having grown up on SAO revolvers and autos.  What I did was get a .22 DA revolver and practiced till I could put all my DA shots on target at 10 yards, rapid fire.  I took that gun to the range every week and put a minimum of 100 rounds through it DA.  When I could quickly nail the target with all 6 shots fast, I went back to the auto and practiced it's DA pull.  Then I started doing double taps.  You have to force yourself to go slow at first, making sure the sights come back on target after the first shot.  Being high means it's going off too soon.  It's a timing/trigger pressure issue.  Once you get it down, slowly speed back up.  And learn to be happy with double taps, because if you're like me it will be hard only shoot once, the second shot was automatic, like it or not.



I eventually stopped carrying DA/SA guns and sold most of them including my Sigs. But lately my renewed interest in S&W 3rd gen autos has made me start working with them again.  The DA pull is the hardest part, get that down and the rest is just timing.  And as I mentioned, I feel that a DA 22 revolver is a great way to get your DA trigger pull down.  I also picked up a set of laser grips for my Ruger SP-101 and some snap caps so I could practice my DA pull at home.  Being able to see the dot move is a real help to learning to pull the trigger straight back with a steady, quick pressure.



And still I find a DAO gun like the S&W 4453 to be easier to shoot fast and on target than a DA/SA gun like the 3913.  A trigger that stays the same weight and length from shot to shot is a far easier gun to master and use under stress, at least IMO.

 
Thanks, that makes sense... I'm anticipating the long pull after the first DA shot and squeezing off the second one too soon.  I don't think I can get laser grips or another pistol to practice with right now (I just spent a bunch on AR parts, and I'm not done yet...) but I'll spend the next couple of range trips working mostly on shooting DA and see if I can get the hang of it.



I was a little concerned about the DA/SA trigger when I bought it, but I couldn't pass up the deal I got.  I have had occasional thoughts about replacing it with something that will be easier to use, especially under stress as you mentioned.  But I've grown attached to this one and I don't want to give up on it.