[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Glock Jamming... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/11/2004 1:03:53 AM EDT
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i have a 17 and the damn thing jams all the time. i have tried numerous types of ammo, but no luck. i bought it brand new and am using the mags that came with it. is there a "break in" period? anybody else have this problem? one other question - what has your experience been with ammoman for ordering ammo online? thanks :) |
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First, define "jamming" as in FTF, FTE, double-feed, etc. Second, NO, there's no break-in period for a Glock. It should be 100% out of the box so you need to go see the nearest Glock armorer (just about every community has at least one). If you can't find an armorer, send it back to Smyrna under warranty. Buying ammo online is fine, so long as you're willing to pay the freight and buy only from reputable dealers. Try ammoman or wholesalehunter. |
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10 round mags? Stories have been told here about bum followers causing malfs, you may have to search around for the details. I recall Glock making a few types of follower and one was troublesome. If everything is new, Glock should stand behind it Meantime, while at the range, maybe borrow someone elses mag from a 17 that works. If your gun now functions properly you may only have to ship the mags or followers back. |
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I guess he could be limp wristing it. My girlfriend had a bear of a time with the 19 I got her jamming and it's run 100% with me shooting it. Have someone who has other glocks run a magazine through it. I remember something about the mag followers in the Model 19s having a problem recently. You might want to check Glocktalk. |
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The 2183 follower issue only affects G19s. Like Hal9k asked, what type of jams are you experiencing? Is it not ejecting the spent case? Is it ejecting the spent case but failing to chamber aother round? We need more details in order to help you troubleshoot it. I bought a H&K USP9c back in Feburary and it had serious failure to eject issues. It would pull the spend case out of the chamber but could not eject it. When it did eject a case it would usually fall on the bench in front of me. It would function fine with 124gr and 147gr but not with 115gr. After I ran a case of 124gr through it she has not had a single issue. It just needed to be broken in with some hotter ammo. I suspect that is what is happening with your G17...it's just tight and needs to be broken in. What ammo are you using? What grain? Did you clean it before you shot it and if so what did you use to clean it with? If you broke it donw and cleaned it are you sure you re-installed the recoil spring properly? I've read where guys have installed them backwards or did not have them set in the right groove  Standing by! |
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As an experienced Glock shooter my guess is you're limp wristing the gun. Glocks are balanced just right , any give from the shooter and you take away the force needed to chamber the following round.99.9% of glocks are 100% out of the box. Let someone who knows their glocks shoot it. J |
That's an excellent idea! He should send it to me for testing & troubleshooting 
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That's a great idea.. what's your address , so i can forward it to you once I'M done with it. J |
I know what he's talking about. Ive been trying to wear out my 34 so I can get a new handgun for the past 4 years. 55000 some odd thousand rounds later, it still keeps shooting. WTF?! |
OH so true. If you don't hold them tight and lock you wrist they will double feed, FTE and the whole 9 yards. If I don't shoot my Glock for a while, I have that problem at least once or twice before I get it right again.  TAP - RACK - BANG Tap the mag, rack the slide, and then squeeze the trigger. |
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hey, thanks for all the replies :) i will try a tighter grip. maybe it is me. i have shot quite a few handguns both semi and revolver but usually have a somewhat relaxed grip. what exactly is "limpwristing"? i have always cleaned it and have broken it down and am extremely anal about reassembly. that is not to say i did not make a mistake. the ammo i am having trouble with is some white box (don't know the brand) 115FMJ. the exact problem was that usually the spend round would not eject very far and the next round would not feed correctly. this may sound weird, but initially i thought the ammo i have doesn't have enough power to cycle it correctly. next time i go to the range(i wish i only knew when), i will be very conscious as to what exactly i am doing when firing. after i have finished with the ammo i currently have, i am going to try ammoman out. he has some 115JHP and also 124JPH +P i am interesed in. i am assuming that there will not be any probs with +P in it? is this correct. also, can you reload the nickel cases? i am in the east valley :) |
| From what your describing it sounds if you are limp wristing the pistol. The relaxed grip is not causing enough resistance for the slide to make its full rearward travel. This will cause the spent case not to eject as far. Since the slide hasn't completed its full rearward travel it doesn't have enough force to strip another round out of the magazine. |
Ditto. |
Not so much a tighter grip, but make sure your hand is fully on the Tang (upperportion of pistol grip that curves in, just below the receiver.) If there is the smallest space, the gun will have too much play, and the malfunction you state will happen. |
uh oh... and so the Glock bashing begins... sheesh  ... hey look... All I know is I have put literally THOUSANDS of rounds thru my G19 of every type, make, and manufacturer and it has never ever failed... ever.  OH and hey... Im still searching for that "perfect" 1911 carry pistol... still searching... everytime I think I have decided upon what I want I get another "1911 expert" that gives me another horror story of catastrophic failure of that type... thus far I have eliminated the GSR, the SA, and the Para LDA from consideration.... at the risk of repeating myself... SHEESH |
And just how the #^%@ is that Glock Bashing??????????? Care to elaberate????????............try Sarcasm sar·casm [ sr kà zzəm ] noun cutting language: remarks that mean the opposite of what they seem to say and are intended to mock or deride
......there is no perfect pistol.................you pays your nickle and takes you chances..... everyone makes lemmons...........the more product you produce the more lemons that show up. You have a glock that works, not all glocks work. I have 1911's that work, not all 1911's work.Not all glocks are crap. Not all 1911's are crap.  But those holier than though sons of bitchs that have to degrade one in order to promote the other just flat piss me off..............
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uuuummmmmm.............okaaay. I have one word dude.... Valum! Sheesh chill out bro... I was just messin with ya. I wasnt bashin anything, I wasnt degrading anything, and I wasnt calling Glock (or anything else) a perfect pistol... and was just jerking your chain about Glock bashing...  You know the old saying that if you get a good product you tell a friend, but if you get a bad product you tell EVERYONE? Its probably why we hear so much bashing of this, that, and the other... cuz people who have a bad experience with something like to tell EVERYONE, probably as much to vent frustration as anything else... I never said ALL glocks work... I said MINE works... lemme check my post.... yup... that what I said. MINE has never failed me. NOR did I say 1911's dont work... let me check my post again... yup... I see there where I said I was searching for a 1911 and SOMEONE ELSE gave me horror stories, but I am thinking I am not going to listen to horror stories anymore... because just as sure as I ask about this model, or that model and I get a horror story, someone else comes up and tells me how great theirs are... Maybe I should just start listening to what the GUNRAGS have to say... but Im sure I will get a horror story about that too!  But I dont think I could do any worse than what I have seen around here... And it certainly couldnt be any worse than the GLock fans fighting the 1911 fans or the 1911 fans yelling KABOOM everytime someone says the word Glock and then the 1911 fans fighting each other about which 1911... this one sucks, that one is great... get this and modify that... ask that person why his name is Meltdown, or ask that person what happened to him on the range when his Glock Kaboomed... SHIT... Im going to quit asking questions about which pistol to buy or which one is better than that one... it seems I ask 20 different gun owners and I get 20 different answers... its like pissing against the wind... Okay man... what did you do with that Valum... now I need one.  |
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Okay... I know when I have been had. 
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To answer the other part of the question (for those that may have forgotten  ) about reloading nickel cases...normally yes.In a Glock, fired from a Glock and reused in a Glock, that's questionable, with brass or nickeled cases. Reloading a bulged case and using it in an unsupported chamber has it's drawbacks, IMO. I'm sure some do it anyway, with no problems...yet. |
I read that in an article. Those of you who have seen me shoot pistols ought to know that I learned that from the pics in a magazine. I am told I am doig it right. |
The frame has to be held in basically the same place, not allowed to move backwards under recoil in order for the gun to operate properly. Try firing it with your elbows and wrists locked in an isosceles stance. If you allow the gun to move back too much when you fire it, it will jam. |
To elaborate a bit more on "limpwristing"... The Glocks, and all other common centerfire semi-auto pistols, are recoil operated weapons. That is, the force of the recoil is harnessed to extract and eject the fired case as well as to load the next round from the magazine and lock the mechanism in preparation for firing again. As noted by Aimless...who is actually a pretty good guy, even if he is not a big fan of the 1911 design ...this requires a firm hold on the pistol's frame (grip) so that the frame is held as immobile as possible, thus allowing the recoil energy to "do its' thing" and work the mechanism. Watch some guys shoot and you will see a few who let the gun flop around under recoil like a wounded duck...NOT the way to get good results.Let us say that we somehow suspended the pistol on two wires from the ceiling and fired it with no one holding it at all. Since the entire pistol would move under recoil (as opposed to just the slide), the energy normally used to operate the slide would be dissipated and the weapon would not extract, eject or feed the next round. This is similar to what happens with "limpwristing". Because the energy is dissipated when the entire weapon, frame and all, is allowed to move to the rear under recoil, it can create issues with extraction, ejection, feeding and / or chambering or locking. (which sounds like what you are experiencing) It has very little to do with strength. Theoretically, the Glocks low "bore line"...which places the centerline of the bore closer to the hand...should make this less of an issue, but that does not seem to be the case, possibly due to their light weight, or the dynamics of their recoil. Regardless of the reason(s), as pointed out, Glock shooters have found out that their pistols do tend to be sensitive to their failure to lock their wrists. SOOoooo...hold it firmly and imagine you have injected "Superglue" into your wrist joint, and you will be fine. I also think you should try some slightly stronger ammo. The WW white box stuff is a bit weak in 9mm, although it cycles my G19 well, I can really tell a difference with full 124 NATO spec stuff...much stronger. Good Luck! |
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Actually I do like 1911s, just don' t tell anyone ;) Ed has a nice Kimber that he's still never fired, I think it's one of the more expensive ones. He was wearing it yesterday and still never fired it, I told him it was his Bar-B-Que gun, well we did have bar-b-que  I had three guys try out my Glock 19 yesterday, they were all making good shots with it from about 15 yards, one had not fired a pistol before, one had shot 1911s and Sigs but had trouble with Glocks (the different grip angle was probably the problem I think) and I'm not sure about the 3rd guy, though I know he has shot a lot. With the exception of the limp wrist problem they are usually a quick gun to be able to shoot accurately. I read somewhere (probably an Ayoob article) about some female police officers suiing over not being able qualify with Glocks, claiming that they should be able to use revolvers instead because Glocks are difficult for women to shoot with limp wristing them into a jam. |
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There is one local gunshop that has a good selection of handguns. The owner claims that ALL Glocks have problems. A couple of years ago he ordered a new Glock for himself. He took it home and could not get it to work. He tried several types of ammo and it still would not work for him. He sold it to my cousin. He has put thousands of rounds through it with not a single malfunction. The gunshop owner after hearing how the pistol did for my cousin ordered himself another new Glock. Same thing. It would not work for him. He sold it andf the new owner never reported any problems. Just recently a friend who has owned one of the first Glock 17's that came out in the 80's decieded to trade it for a Glock 30. His old 17 had been 100% reliable since about 1989. It has never malfunctioned that I am aware of. He goes to this guys gunshop and orders his Glock 30 and works out a trade with the owner. I tell the shop owner that this old 17 is a known good Glock that has proven itself to be 100% reliable for years and if he wishes to try a known good Glock he should take it home and shoot it. He takes it home and it malfunctions several times a mag for him. Some people just can't shoot a Glock and it is because of the way they hold them. |
| In the mid-late 1980's when everyone was rapidly transitioning from revolvers to autopistols, the "limp wristing" issue was very noticeable among LEOs who had never done much rapid fire shooting with heavy loads in their wheelguns. I have personally taken guns from officers who were having malfunctions, loaded the same ammo into the same mags and fired 30-50 rounds with zero problems, then handed the gun back only to watch them have more problems. The Glock is a bit more prone to these than other 9mms such as the Sig 226 or the Beretta 92 series guns, but they can all malfunction with a weak wristed grip. Conversly, you can eaisly give them enough "backing" with only two or three fingers for them to work reliably...if you do it right...go figure. |
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So lemme get this straight... If you don't grip it just right the Glock is unreliable? Boy, gotta get me one of them! Seriously though, I owned three different Glocks. They were all gen 1 guns back in the early 90's. They were all purchased used and all three had the exact same problem. They would fail to fully chamber a round on a fairly regular basis. A light push on the back of the slide moved it the last 1/8" into battery so it would fire. I don't think I limp wrist it. I've never had a similar type of failure on any other pistol I've owned. Several different brands of ammo didn't change things, including Cor-Bon +P. This happened with two different 19s and a 17. I gave up on them at that point and have had no urge to try them again. I'm sure this was a fluke, because if they were all as bad as those three, Glock would have been out of business by now. Fluke or not, I can't trust them. |
I have the same problem with my G17 and G19. Occasionally they would fail to return to battery, requiring a nudge on the rear of the slide. I always assumed this was due to my reloads not being fully resized. I rarely shoot factory ammo so I can't say whether it was my reloads or not. |
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I took a buddy and his girlfriend out this last weekend to shoot and one of the pistols we shot was my G19. She was fairly petite and for her first several shots she limpwristed it, but because she had the correct grip (I had her gripping it right before the first shot) it never malfunctioned. so the point it, it can not only be limpwristing... if you have a death grip on it but your grip is too low or incorrect that may or may not also cause the problem... like I said in a previous post I have heard about the limpwristing of glocks causing jams and have taken my g19 out to TRY to get it to jam by being as limpwristed as I can... never jammed. If NEW glock shooters are limpwristing maybe the fact that the glock has not been broken in yet in addition to limpwristing may contribute to the problem. As for me with both a G17 and a G19, I've never had it happen. |
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Shit, now you guys will have me purposely limp wristing my Glock for it has yet to jam no matter what cheap ass ammo I've run through it. This may be hard for my 13 year old has had no problems nor my 16 year old nephew and this was the first hand gun he ever shot. BTW, would rather carry a damn revolver if limp wristing causes jamming. Tj |
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Hmm...thats funny. I've never shot a pistol until I first fired the Glock 19 and since my first shot I had no problems with it. I knew nothing about pistol basics, but it worked for me. I did however, purposely let my hand "take the recoil" a few times and all it did was eject the spent casing into my fore head  I've been thinking about G17 because I like G19 so much. |
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Like some of you, I was never able to get my G19 to choke when I limpwristed it, even doing the 2-finger grip. However, my wife continually had problems with it. I can only assume she wasn't holding the gun tightly enough. It was disappointing as I originally bought the G19 for her. I know she could probably be trained out of it, but I don't feel comfortable training her to overcome the quirks of a gun she might not touch for a year at a time. So she now has her original S&W 6906, which she qualified with and likes. As long it's reliable, she can hit with it and is happy with it, I'm not going to try to get her to change. |
I can't get any of mine to do it either-but- when a buddy of mine got his dept issue Glock 17 after they took his S&W .357 awat, He got it out to show me when we were back from hunting one day. At that point all though I had shot rifles a lot I had either never, or rarely, fired a pistol. He handed it to me, I pointed it at tree and pulled the trigger, it fired and then jammed up. He was speachless as this was after a 20 minute lecture about how great Glocks were, ha ha. My girlfriend could not get my 19 to work. I actually bought it for her but it kept jamming on her. I felt about 1" tall  I've explained to her what happened and that with more work she could get it going, but her confidence is shaken, even though she has fired other semi-automatic handguns since then. I think I am just going to throw in the towel and get her a Sig.
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so you want your wrists and elbows locked? i am usually a pretty "loose" shooter with a good grip on the gun. i have shot other 9mm autos, 40sw autos and 44mag revolvers with no problems. next time i go out, i will defiinately be very conscious of what i do. if it is too much of a problem i may just get rid of the gun for some other auto, because i have lost trust in it. i will also get some stronger ammo, would the stuff ammoman sells - 115JHP with do well? also what exactly does this mean: To answer the other part of the question (for those that may have forgotten ) about reloading nickel cases...normally yes. In a Glock, fired from a Glock and reused in a Glock, that's questionable, with brass or nickeled cases. Reloading a bulged case and using it in an unsupported chamber has it's drawbacks, IMO. I'm sure some do it anyway, with no problems...yet what exactly is a unsupported chamber? |
My wife and I both limp wristed my 17 when I first got it. It's not about the ammo. |
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Make sure that you have a firm grip on the gun. If you are not holding it tight enough you take some of the energy out of the slide, and that will cause ejection and feeding problems. I have only had jams on mine when I got lazy and relaxed my grip. edit- I guess this has already been said... I should have read the rest of the posts. |