Posted: 3/31/2010 8:17:27 AM EDT
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Hey all,
I've been shooting IDPA's with a Kimber 1911 in CDP. While I love 1911's I was thinking about giving the SSP class a try as there seems to be more shooters in the class which would give me more ability to try and climb up the ladder of results. Anyway, I'm fond of my M&P40C so am leaning a little towards an M&P9L (5") but sure do see a lot of G34's at the matches and a lot of good shooters seem to use them. What are you thoughts between the two guns for strictly competition use? I've got plenty of larger caliber guns for defensive purposes so the 9mm is just for matches. All inputs are appreciated. |
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While I like the feel of the M&P (and even the XD) over the Glock, The G-34 is everywhere up here in SE PA. How do you shoot the Glock, or the M&P for that matter? Haven't shot either one of these models yet. I shoot my M&P40C well, only Glock I have shot is a G22 and to tell the truth I liked things about both. I like the M&P trigger pull better but like the Glock's defined reset. Haven't shot a 5" 9L or G34 though but assume the trigger pull is the same. I will fondle and dry fire them before I make a decision, just want to see what most people feel is the best for fast and accurate shooting. |
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I'd go with glock. Did S&W fix the extraction issue with the M&P 9mm?
Every single M&P I have seen in use at idpa matches has had ertraction issues. Small sample maybe 10 or so guns total. Never seen a glock have extraction issues in idpa or ipsc production use. (12 years of comp shooting). |
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I'd go with glock. Did S&W fix the extraction issue with the M&P 9mm? Every single M&P I have seen in use at idpa matches has had ertraction issues. Small sample maybe 10 or so guns total. Never seen a glock have extraction issues in idpa or ipsc production use. (12 years of comp shooting). Lots of M&P's in use at our local matches. Never seen one hiccup yet. Maybe the weather in Pennsylvania? 
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The M&P9 Pro would be the best bet but there aren't any on the shelves at the moment. I do have 9L's and G34's available locally for $530/$510 with the LE/MIL discount. So they are pretty much priced together.
Looks like most people say G34 but can't really loose either way. |
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Funny you mention this, but I also shoot in the CDP class with a Kimber TLE and was considering changing to the SSP with a Glock 9mm (mainly because of the cost), however I was thinking about the Glock 17. I can't find a G34 anywhere around here..... Yep I love the Kimber but there are so few guys in the CDP class it seems like the competition would be better in SSP. |
| I have an HK USP 40C LEM and wouldn't consider it for competition use, at least not for me. I do like the way they fit the hand, but I hate the trigger, just not my cup of tee. Guess I'm spoiled with the 1911 trigger, which is why the M&P/Glock triggers are about all I can deal with for DA. Thanks though. I haven't tried an XDm. I assume the triggers are similar to Glock/S&W? |
| The G34s have a reputation for winning matches. It's made for match level competition out of the box and terrorises the shit out of the 1911s. That said, I'll take a double stack 1911 over a G34 any day. In fact I did. Canceled a special order G34, replaced with double stack 1911. Was it a mistake ? I'll probably never know. Glocks just aren't my thing. YMMV. |
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The G34s have a reputation for winning matches. It's made for match level competition out of the box and terrorises the shit out of the 1911s. That said, I'll take a double stack 1911 over a G34 any day. In fact I did. Canceled a special order G34, replaced with double stack 1911. Was it a mistake ? I'll probably never know. Glocks just aren't my thing. YMMV. Your choice is not SSP legal. |
| Your right Greg, I'd forgotten about " the box ". I shoot single stack in IDPA, but we have a redneck free for all IDPA style shoot at the gun club where my double stack is legal. Thanks for bringing that up. Your sure right, it's not IDPA legal. Once again the 34 kicks ass. |
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it could be legal in esp (weight, size etc), but even if it fit in the box it can never be legal in ssp.
9mm and 40 cal 1911s/2011s are legal for use in esp provided they make weight and fit in the box. esp is "safe action" da/sa type pistols. XD is not legal in ssp either. |
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it could be legal in esp (weight, size etc), but even if it fit in the box it can never be legal in ssp. 9mm and 40 cal 1911s/2011s are legal for use in esp provided they make weight and fit in the box. esp is "safe action" da/sa type pistols. XD is not legal in ssp either. There's a reason why I attend only one or two shoots a year. Always walk off when done grumbling about too many *@&%*! rules. Oh, and my favorite. Red Necks making up their own interpretation of the rules. To be any good at IDPA it would seem you need an extremely good memory. The 34s get an unfair advantage in my opinion. |
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I shoot IDPA at S&W, and even though Glocks are not allowed for MA residents, between CT shooters and the rest, Glocks rule. G34 FTW How are glocks not allowed for MA residents? The AG decided to make guns a product saftey issue. So each manufacturor has to submit a sample of each sku they want to have approved for sale. There was a particular hang up with Glock, I recall they allowed the sale for a month and then retracted the approval. Even asked people to return the guns. Sad, I don't want to look up the details. It hurts my head. |
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I shoot IDPA at S&W, and even though Glocks are not allowed for MA residents, between CT shooters and the rest, Glocks rule. G34 FTW How are glocks not allowed for MA residents? The AG decided to make guns a product saftey issue. So each manufacturor has to submit a sample of each sku they want to have approved for sale. There was a particular hang up with Glock, I recall they allowed the sale for a month and then retracted the approval. Even asked people to return the guns. Sad, I don't want to look up the details. It hurts my head. Hmm, my buddy lived in MA and he had a G22 for i don't know how long. At what point did this become fact? |
| I shoot a CZ SP-01. They take a little effort to get below the 39oz weight limit, but you are rewarded with one very flat shooting gun. Made SSP/MA with it at Nationals last year. It's also great for USPSA Production. Adam Tyc and Matt Mink finished 1-2 at the last IPSC world shoot with them. |
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I have an HK USP 40C LEM and wouldn't consider it for competition use, at least not for me. I do like the way they fit the hand, but I hate the trigger, just not my cup of tee. Guess I'm spoiled with the 1911 trigger, which is why the M&P/Glock triggers are about all I can deal with for DA. Thanks though. I haven't tried an XDm. I assume the triggers are similar to Glock/S&W? XDm trigger is much better than either in my opinion. Unless of course you have some work done to them. Out of the box, though, the XDm is very hard to beat. Add some adjustable or fixed fiber optic sights and you're good to go. Daniel edit: Well i guess someone else said that the XD series is a no go for ssp. Why? |
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I have an HK USP 40C LEM and wouldn't consider it for competition use, at least not for me. I do like the way they fit the hand, but I hate the trigger, just not my cup of tee. Guess I'm spoiled with the 1911 trigger, which is why the M&P/Glock triggers are about all I can deal with for DA. Thanks though. I haven't tried an XDm. I assume the triggers are similar to Glock/S&W? XDm trigger is much better than either in my opinion. Unless of course you have some work done to them. Out of the box, though, the XDm is very hard to beat. Add some adjustable or fixed fiber optic sights and you're good to go. Daniel edit: Well i guess someone else said that the XD series is a no go for ssp. Why? It is a Single Action pistol, according to Ken Hackathorn it can only be used in ESP. http://www.idpa.com/tj.asp?ID=110 |