Posted: 1/4/2010 6:42:31 PM EDT
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Let me start off by mentioning that I only have one handgun, a wonderful glock 19. It fits my hand wonderfully, and the only problems I've ever had were of me limp wristing and causing failure to eject/stovepipe. After a lot of practice, I've gotten better about it, but it still bugs me whenever I think about conceal carrying it. This is making me think about picking up another 9mm. I'm definitely keeping the g19 as I'm really starting to become very accurate with it at the range even with the stock sights.
After reading nothing but good reviews about the sig P226, I decided to rent the smaller p229 today in 9mm. This handgun also felt amazing and seemed simple to use with no extra safeties to worry about. Ran without a hitch, trigger was amazing, and my increases in accuracy with it were very promising. I then tried out a buddy's beretta px4. Granted, it was a .40, but I didn't enjoy the trigger. Finally got used to it, but I still preferred the sig's. Came close to deciding on a sig p229 but the range guys highly suggested I do more research into compact 9mm as I hadn't even considered the hk usp 9mm compact. He may have been a tad biased as he was carrying one, but he let me finger it, and the grip also seemed really comfortable. So I suppose i'm kinda stuck about what I should do now. What do you guys think? |
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Check out the Kel-Tec PF9. My brother just bought one and it will be his primary CCW. He even picked up one of those 'belly band' holsters so he could take it with him while running. I orderd one in for the store once but never shot it. It seemed like it would be a nice compact carry weapon.
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| The USPc is a great handgun. I have the P2000 because I wanted the universal rails for a light. While I'd much prefer the Glock, I had no choice because the HK is authorized at work and the Glock isn't. I was issued the P229 but never liked the size of it or the horrible DAK trigger. For compact 9mm I would look at maybe the G26 or Keltec P11 or Pf-9. The USPc is going to be the same size as your G19. Personally I think HK are overpriced and would prefer Glock but I had no choice and HK gives us a large discount so the price was comparable to a Glock. You might also look into the Kahrs. I hear mixed reviews about them but have no first hand knowledge on them other than a coworker who carries one off duty and is very happy with it. |
| Has your G19 had any problems since your initial issues with it? New stiff spring + limp wristing, as you found out, can lead to FTEs. Now that it's broken in and your technique is improved, I don't see any reason why you couldn't carry your G19 with confidence. Hell, now that it's broken in, try limp wristing it and see if it will FTE now. It may not anymore. |
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I have several differnt "compact" 9mm's. While I do like my G19 it is way to big to carry deep concealed. The CZ-75 has been suggested. Super nice and reliable handgun also. My favorite though is my Kahr PM9 and PM45. Very small and light. They are built to very strict tolerances and require a good break-in time as stated in their manual. You will hear all the nay-sayers about the Kahr, but they are a well built gun. I have two and have NEVER had any issues with either of them.
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| Unless you want smaller, the G19 would be a great choice with more practice. Otherwise an M&P9c or Kahr CW9 are both great smaller choices. However both require a strong wrist or they will jam like most other pistols. If the root of the problem is limp wristing, a Ruger sp101 would top my list. |
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G19 is an excellent 9mm; but it doesn't work for everyone. The grip angle on the G19 causes the most problems for some.
With that in mind if your looking to carry you want to stay with something slim. You stated 9mm. You liked the feel of the sig P229 also an excellent weapon and a little on the thick side for some people. You didn't state your price range. My recomendations are HK P30, HK P2000, Walther P99 with the AS trigger system, and maybe the Sig P229 or Sig P228 would work for you. I don't have long experience with any CZ, so I personally can't recommend nor can I condemn them. There is also S&W M&P as well as other low cost, high quality S&W semi auto pistols, Springfield XD, Ruger is coming out with a compact model of the SR9, so on and on. I'd also recomend the G19 but since you have problems, stay away from it for carry until you master it with no question in your mind. As you already know, It only take one jam when you need it and your in a world of hurt. Stress has away of bringing up all your faults when you should be at your best. So put away the G19 and get something that works 100% for you all the time, never-mind what the internet or people are telling you about it. |
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Let me start off by mentioning that I only have one handgun, a wonderful glock 19. It fits my hand wonderfully, and the only problems I've ever had were of me limp wristing and causing failure to eject/stovepipe. It's a well known issue with G19s, especially when using standard FMJ ammo that tends to run on the very mild side. They perform considerably better with quality JHP ammo that is loaded hotter. Glock 19's with 124 grain +P Gold Dots are a very popular and reliable combo in law enforcement and in civilian carry. This is making me think about picking up another 9mm. I'm definitely keeping the g19 as I'm really starting to become very accurate with it at the range even with the stock sights. If all you are getting is the occasional stovepipe on the range, I wouldn't be in a hurry to buy another gun. Practice with some JHP ammo and see if you notice the stovepipe problem. Spend time working on your grip with an emphasis on learning to lock your wrist and maintaining the ability to track the sights under recoil. "Limp wristing" is nothing more than allowing the gun to move too much under recoil...which robs the slide of energy, which leads to malfunctions. If you work on your grip to manage recoil you will usually eliminate problems with "limp wristing" and you'll also find that you are able to shoot faster because your sights fall right back into place once the slide cycles. It is generally better in the long run when you have a pistol that's decent to invest your time and money into learning how to work the gun you already have rather than chasing various characteristics in other handguns. I've learned that lesson the hard way. The Glock 19 isn't perfect, but it's certainly a good gun for most purposes. Oh, and replace the sights with something serviceable. 
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