[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Cheap Friends (RANT) (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/5/2009 7:50:35 PM EDT
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I have a couple friends who buy a cheap gun every month (-300) and try to justify that its made as good as my smiths and rugers.
It drives me nuts and even turns into arguments over quality and craftsmanship. I do quite a bit of shooting and researching and try to buy quality guns that will last and appreciate through the years but i find that these friends just drive me nuts. Do you guys have friends like this?..... I just had to let it out. |
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I have a couple friends who buy a cheap gun every month (-300) and try to justify that its made as good as my smiths and rugers. It drives me nuts and even turns into arguments over quality and craftsmanship. I do quite a bit of shooting and researching and try to buy quality guns that will last and appreciate through the years but i find that these friends just drive me nuts. Do you guys have friends like this?..... I just had to let it out. No. When I'm with my friends, I'm surrounded by quality. They know what they're doin'. |
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My friends (not the Arfcommers) grill me for hours on which gun to get then buy the exact opposite of what we agreed they should get. I spent 5 hours, a needless trip to the gun show, and $30 to help him decide on which first handgun to buy. He was on a budget and wanted good quality, and I pointed him towards every single thing except a Hi Point. It was the only gun I told him would not be worth his time and to pass on. By the time we were leaving the gun show, he was settled on buying an FNP 40, brand new and in stainless for $389. I told him that would be a great buy because they would be $550 or so in a couple years once they were popular. Two days later on his birthday he went to a nearby shop and bought the damn Hi Point. He's spent $250 on it total now including ammo to see if it could feed anything reliably, and two trips back to the manufacturer, and he finally decided he wanted something better. So he went out and bought a Sigma 
Sure enough, now FNPs are $500 or $550 and he wants one. It's not that he bought something different... it's that he essentially wasted all of my damn time and money to kick me in the nuts. I was actually somewhat pissed off. |
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Quoted: Quoted: My friends (not the Arfcommers) grill me for hours on which gun to get then buy the exact opposite of what we agreed they should get. I spent 5 hours, a needless trip to the gun show, and $30 to help him decide on which first handgun to buy. He was on a budget and wanted good quality, and I pointed him towards every single thing except a Hi Point. It was the only gun I told him would not be worth his time and to pass on. By the time we were leaving the gun show, he was settled on buying an FNP 40, brand new and in stainless for $389. I told him that would be a great buy because they would be $550 or so in a couple years once they were popular. Two days later on his birthday he went to a nearby shop and bought the damn Hi Point. He's spent $250 on it total now including ammo to see if it could feed anything reliably, and two trips back to the manufacturer, and he finally decided he wanted something better. So he went out and bought a Sigma Sure enough, now FNPs are $500 or $550 and he wants one. It's not that he bought something different... it's that he essentially wasted all of my damn time and money to kick me in the nuts. I was actually somewhat pissed off. I am still kicking myself for not picking up a FNP back when they were near $300. |
Don't lie to yourself Packin... you're also really regretting not picking up an HS2000 when they were $225 
Oddly enough, that friend actually ended up costing me $600 at the gun show we went to. I ended up buying my stainless USP40 there. I was actually on my way back to buy the FNP when the USP called my name from an antique dealer's table. Strange spot for it... but I didn't complain 
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There are plenty of excellent, cheap handguns that can be bought for less than $300. And be very viable SD pieces....Ones I have found over the last couple years––
Polish P64 9mm mak...$139 CZ82 9mm mak...$200 Tokarev 7.62x25...$200 Well used Belgian Browning HiPower 1973...$250 Sig P6...$275 S&W Model 15 38spl...$175 Go ahead and spend $600 for a pistol...It dosn't make you any better armed than a cheapskate. |
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I've had friends who've bought cheapo guns and ended up hating them, they got even more pissed when they went to trade it in and how little they got for it even though they put less than 200 rounds through it. They ended up getting HK's and told me to hit them the next time they are looking at cheapo's .
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There are plenty of excellent, cheap handguns that can be bought for less than $300. And be very viable SD pieces....Ones I have found over the last couple years–– Polish P64 9mm mak...$139 CZ82 9mm mak...$200 Tokarev 7.62x25...$200 Well used Belgian Browning HiPower 1973...$250 Sig P6...$275 S&W Model 15 38spl...$175 Go ahead and spend $600 for a pistol...It dosn't make you any better armed than a cheapskate. +1. You might also want to read up a bit on the HiPoints before you go bashing them. Yes, they are overly heavy and ugly as hell, but they actually work pretty darn well, especially if its only going to be used as a home defense gun. Hard to fuck up a blowback pistol. |
As long as they work and earn the money they spend I could care less what they spend it on. You try to give them solid advice on better options and they either take it or don't. Now the friends I have had who always seem to get everything without actually sweating for it are the ones who piss me off.
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Equally frustrating, I have friends that buy HK's, Sigs, and Glocks and then shoot "cheap" imported ammo in them. 
O the Horror! And I'm so cheap I even pick up old cases off the ground and REUSE THEM. There's a big difference between collecting brass and making a "quality reload", and shooting cheap sub standard russian ammo.
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I have a friend who does the same thing. I wanted a do-all handgun for plinking, self defense, carry, and USPSA so I bought a Sig P226 (looking back, I should have gone with CZ). My friend wanted a cheap handgun for the same thing, and we found a Springfield XD9 and S&W M&P for $400 each. He decided to go with a Star BM because it was $200. It turns out that the thing shoots 4 inches left and 6 inches high at 7 yards, the mags are not drop free, the slide stop can barely be depressed, and the mags are $35-$40 each, and there are no kydex/plastic holsters made for it, and a few grains of sand will cause it to FTF.
Next, he wanted a precision rig, so he bought a .30-06 Weatherby Vanguard from Wal-Mart for $350 (nothing wrong with the Vanguard). However, he bought cheap $8 aluminum scope mounts and plans on using left over scope rings from his AirSoft gun (He says they're solid).  Not only that, he wants to get glass that's under $40 for it. I wouldn't be surprised if I can out shoot him with my Mosin Nagant.
At least he did OK with the shotgun and bought a Maverick 88... |
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Equally frustrating, I have friends that buy HK's, Sigs, and Glocks and then shoot "cheap" imported ammo in them.
O the Horror! And I'm so cheap I even pick up old cases off the ground and REUSE THEM. There's a big difference between collecting brass and making a "quality reload", and shooting cheap sub standard russian ammo. If my handgun is going to cost that much, it had better be able to fire anything I give it. I don't have a problem with using el cheapo ammo through any of my guns. |
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I have reached a point in my life where I am starting to believe that I cannot convince anyone of anything. You can sit with someone and talk calmly and logically for hours. They will nod their head and say they see your point. Then, the next day, they put their head down and begin eating grass again and forget everything you discussed. I can illustrate this with about 35 stories at this point.
I think you should take a reasonable amount of time (1-2 hours) to explain to someone what are good quality guns to buy. If you feel like it, take a potential buyer to the range and let them see the features of the guns you have and shoot them for themselves. If they still are determined to do something else, then let them. For people that seek my advice and then follow it, I have unlimited time and patience, as my close friends and family will attest. If someone spends 1-2 hours talking to me and getting my advice but then does something totally different, I will generally not be available for Round 2. At that point, they can go waste someone else's time. |
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Equally frustrating, I have friends that buy HK's, Sigs, and Glocks and then shoot "cheap" imported ammo in them.
O the Horror! And I'm so cheap I even pick up old cases off the ground and REUSE THEM. There's a big difference between collecting brass and making a "quality reload", and shooting cheap sub standard russian ammo. Exactly –– that "sub standard" Russian ammo will not KB your pistol like a bad reload will.
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Equally frustrating, I have friends that buy HK's, Sigs, and Glocks and then shoot "cheap" imported ammo in them.
O the Horror! And I'm so cheap I even pick up old cases off the ground and REUSE THEM. There's a big difference between collecting brass and making a "quality reload", and shooting cheap sub standard russian ammo. Exactly –– that "sub standard" Russian ammo will not KB your pistol like a bad reload will. And in the end, who cares: Glocks, SIGs and HKs are cheap imports themselves. Blow one up, who gives a shit –– go out and get another one. |
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This sounds like a buddy of mine. He wanted his first gun to be a 1911, but he was looking at a budget of around 500. I told him with that amount pickings were slim but we could find something. So I showed him some used stuff Springfield and Para Ordnance. Even then you could get a ne Springfield GI, Rock Island, or Taurus and he would have been good. He finally decides he is going to get a Rock Island, since he saw one that he liked a the gun show. That was until he saw the Hardballer, and it was over before it begun. On the other hand I would say that my 100 dollar gun is the most reliable thing I own.  |
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You might also want to read up a bit on the HiPoints before you go bashing them. Yes, they are overly heavy and ugly as hell, but they actually work pretty darn well, especially if its only going to be used as a home defense gun. Hard to fuck up a blowback pistol. You are right.
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You might also want to read up a bit on the HiPoints before you go bashing them. Yes, they are overly heavy and ugly as hell, but they actually work pretty darn well, especially if its only going to be used as a home defense gun. Hard to fuck up a blowback pistol. You are right.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii180/ArmedSuspect/hipoint/IMGA02591.jpg http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii180/ArmedSuspect/hipoint/IMGA02651.jpg Holy shit. How the hell did that happen? At least they're replace it for free
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So what? You can play that game with anything. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/louiedud/tacdeath002.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_B-UsXYlocGQ/SdktmTDhxaI/AAAAAAAAAKA/ZSr89CYR5sM/s1600/kaboom.jpg http://s171.photobucket.com/albums/u307/Stainz_2007/KABOOM.jpg http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4395/damagefromp22kaboom13.jpg Two KBs and another pistol that came apart due to a pot metal slide. I can understand a pistol coming apart due to a KB. I cannot understand a pistol coming apart under normal use, like the HiPoint above. |
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So what? You can play that game with anything. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/louiedud/tacdeath002.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_B-UsXYlocGQ/SdktmTDhxaI/AAAAAAAAAKA/ZSr89CYR5sM/s1600/kaboom.jpg http://s171.photobucket.com/albums/u307/Stainz_2007/KABOOM.jpg http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4395/damagefromp22kaboom13.jpg Guns blowing up from over-charged reloads and guns breaking in half because they are a piece of shit made out of cast pot metal are two different things. |
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So what? You can play that game with anything. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/louiedud/tacdeath002.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_B-UsXYlocGQ/SdktmTDhxaI/AAAAAAAAAKA/ZSr89CYR5sM/s1600/kaboom.jpg http://s171.photobucket.com/albums/u307/Stainz_2007/KABOOM.jpg http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4395/damagefromp22kaboom13.jpg Two KBs and another pistol that came apart due to a pot metal slide. I can understand a pistol coming apart due to a KB. I cannot understand a pistol coming apart under normal use, like the HiPoint above. I dont see anything stating "normal use" in the above post. |
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So what? You can play that game with anything. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/louiedud/tacdeath002.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_B-UsXYlocGQ/SdktmTDhxaI/AAAAAAAAAKA/ZSr89CYR5sM/s1600/kaboom.jpg http://s171.photobucket.com/albums/u307/Stainz_2007/KABOOM.jpg http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4395/damagefromp22kaboom13.jpg Guns blowing up from over-charged reloads and guns breaking in half because they are a piece of shit made out of cast pot metal are two different things. true; only saying, I read plenty of positive reviews on them. Know a guy that owns one, doesnt really shoot it though; not that someone who would buy such a gun would be much of a shooter. If they have a tendency to fail like the above its news to me. |
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So what? You can play that game with anything. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/louiedud/tacdeath002.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_B-UsXYlocGQ/SdktmTDhxaI/AAAAAAAAAKA/ZSr89CYR5sM/s1600/kaboom.jpg http://s171.photobucket.com/albums/u307/Stainz_2007/KABOOM.jpg http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4395/damagefromp22kaboom13.jpg Two KBs and another pistol that came apart due to a pot metal slide. I can understand a pistol coming apart due to a KB. I cannot understand a pistol coming apart under normal use, like the HiPoint above. I dont see anything stating "normal use" in the above post. It happened a few months ago, was posted on ARFCOM, happened under normal use, no KB, slide simply separated. The slides are made from Zamak 3 which is not ideal for a critical firearm component. |
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It happened a few months ago, was posted on ARFCOM, happened under normal use, no KB, slide simply separated. The slides are made from Zamak 3 which is not ideal for a critical firearm component. I stand corrected; how the hell do gunwriters get away with writing good reviews of a gun made from pot metal?
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