Posted: 4/21/2009 8:11:06 AM EDT
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I need to pick up a 22LR pistol (my first). Actually I need a 22LR firearm in general.
What's recommended around here? I've looked at the Sig Mosquito and Walther P22 but hear problems with both. Are there more reliable 22LR pistols? Or should I ditch the pistols and get a 10/22 first? |
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I would disagree that the 10/22 is overrated. The extractor should be changed for more reliable extraction and the factory triggers are just terrible. That said both are very easily and cheaply fixed. Me, I would go with a 10/22 and a Ruger MKI, II or III you really cant go wrong. Caution though they can become a money pit, there are lots of real quality after market parts for them that improve the function of the weapon considerably.
Just to be clear, they work fine out of the box. The extractor will need to be replaced after a 5000 or so rounds ($10 and 5 minutes) everything else is just to get the pistol where you want it. If you pick up a 10/22 or Charger dont even think of testing a Kid trigger, you will be spoiled for life. 
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I need to pick up a 22LR pistol (my first). Actually I need a 22LR firearm in general. What's recommended around here? I've looked at the Sig Mosquito and Walther P22 but hear problems with both. Are there more reliable 22LR pistols? Or should I ditch the pistols and get a 10/22 first? when you say you "need" to p/u a 22 pistol, what is the "need" for? if you have a particular use for the pistol/rifle, it would help, if not i can list many 22 autoloaders, new and used. is there something in particular you "need" that pistol for? you appear to not know if you want a rifle or pistol and maybe is there an opening for a revolver too? you should be aware that, in general, 22LR autoloders can be picky with ammo. |
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I need to pick up a 22LR pistol (my first). Actually I need a 22LR firearm in general. What's recommended around here? I've looked at the Sig Mosquito and Walther P22 but hear problems with both. Are there more reliable 22LR pistols? Or should I ditch the pistols and get a 10/22 first? With the exception of the CZ Kadet, the "cool guy" .22 pistols that look like "real guns" are junk. Not that they don't work, but they aren't even remotely in the same class as a Ruger, Buckmark, or S&W. Those will all be far more reliable and last far longer than the P22 or Mosquito. Now the choice between a 10/22 and pistol is up to you. The obvious answer, however, is to "get both", of course. |
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I would buy a Ruger MKII. They are incredibly sturdy thanks to the tubular receiver/cylindrical bolt, have a huge supply of factory and aftermarket parts, and are steadily creeping up in value. Contrary to what many inept monkeys around here will say, they are very easy to field strip/reassemble without any tools. I've routinely fired 500 rounds at a time without a single malfunction.
Second choice would be a Buckmark. Nice trigger, but less sturdy, requires tools to strip, and less parts availability. |
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I have a 22/45 with the bull barrel. Kind of a PITA to strip down and clean, but it'll eat bulk ammo without any probs. It came with a mount for a scope/optics. It was nearly new $235.
Right now I'm looking for a lever action 22 rifle. Lots of guys like the Marlin 39, but I'm also looking at the Browning (BL 22 iirc) I have a 10/22 without any upgrades and it works fine. NN |
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Thanks for the reply guys. I just realized that there is a rimfire handgun forum here.
My "need" for a 22LR pistol is mainly due to ammo price and availability; I only shoot 9mm right now and those are hard to find. To a slightly lesser extent, to help train new shooters. I had previously started new shooters on my G19 but ever since I've shot .22LR I feel that it would be much better to start them off of those. I can't believe that I've been shooting for a three years and have only just shot my first .22LR in the past two months (friend got a GSG5). After reading around the rimfire forum I have somewhat ditched the Mosquito and P22 idea and have started looking at the MkII and Buckmark. However beside the training new shooters aspect of a 22LR pistol this will mainly be a toy for me. I don't believe I'll start training with a 22LR pistol in the sense of getting a holster and practicing drawstrokes and mag changes with one which is one reason a P22/Mosquito might be ideal in terms of cost. |
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I have a 22/45 with the bull barrel. Kind of a PITA to strip down and clean, but it'll eat bulk ammo without any probs. It came with a mount for a scope/optics. It was nearly new $235. Right now I'm looking for a lever action 22 rifle. Lots of guys like the Marlin 39, but I'm also looking at the Browning (BL 22 iirc) I have a 10/22 without any upgrades and it works fine. NN IIRC, I paid about that for the 22/45 pictured above new, so you probably didn't do too bad on price. I have a marlin 39A, made in the 60's IIRC. I have put over 50K through it(and it wasn't new when I got it) and mechanically it's still going strong. My cousin has one of the Browning lever actions that has issues with the sear slipping from the half cock notch(impossible with the marlin, barring broken parts). The browning is a slimmer, lighter gun. The marlin is more durable and easily breaks down so you can clean the action, plus clean the barrel from the chamber end. |
| I would stick with either a ruger or browning, with a strong third being the smith 22A. I got one of those, so far just over 500 rounds through it with no problems, nice trigger, very accurate. I have just heard of too many problems with the sig and walther .22lr clones of their fullsize guns, especially the walther. Like was posted, if you are looking for something to train cheaper on your fullsize gun, get a conversion kit. |
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I have a Beretta 21a that is very good, and pretty darned accurate out to 25 yards.
The problem with .22LR guns, in regards to reliability, is primarily the round itself being a rimfire. I average 2 FTF per 100 rnd box of CCI mini-mags, and both usually go off when recocking the hammer, and pulling the trigger a second time. In other words, run cheap, dirty ammo and you will get FTF commonly, and FTE , run good ammo, and it will happen much less often. |
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Thanks for the reply guys. I just realized that there is a rimfire handgun forum here. My "need" for a 22LR pistol is mainly due to ammo price and availability; I only shoot 9mm right now and those are hard to find. To a slightly lesser extent, to help train new shooters. I had previously started new shooters on my G19 but ever since I've shot .22LR I feel that it would be much better to start them off of those. I can't believe that I've been shooting for a three years and have only just shot my first .22LR in the past two months (friend got a GSG5). After reading around the rimfire forum I have somewhat ditched the Mosquito and P22 idea and have started looking at the MkII and Buckmark. However beside the training new shooters aspect of a 22LR pistol this will mainly be a toy for me. I don't believe I'll start training with a 22LR pistol in the sense of getting a holster and practicing drawstrokes and mag changes with one which is one reason a P22/Mosquito might be ideal in terms of cost. Rugers are great although there have been people with problem rugers. IAC, any gun can have problems and 22LR autoloaders are no exception. There are the new SIgs in 22LR. IIRC, the SIg P220, 226 & 228. they offer a certificate for a CF upper for 400 if you get the 22LR pistol. they also have the conversion uppers too. CZ Kadets are good. although they can be finicky too. I know mine prefers a particular type of ammo over others. S&W M41s are nice. so are the 422s. the 422s are less expensive tho. Colt Woodsmans and simlar are out there but in the USED/LNIB condition. these will be more spendy unless you can find a good deal. you dont say how much you are willing to spend so im assuming not alot and if youre will to go w/Used. |
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I HAD a Mosquito and sold it to fund a G19 with an AA .22 kit. Do this. I've thought about this too; where can I find Advantage Arms .22 kits? I dont know where you are located. I would start with the EE. I live in Ga. and we have a fiew local guntrader websites and I'll see them every other week or so. Good luck finding them in stock anywhere. Get the LE model not the target model, the LE looks exactly like the one thats on there now and will fit the holster too. |
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You are getting a lot of different responses because you didn't really explain what purpose you will be using it for?
As for which to get, a .22 pistol or a Ruger 10/22 rifle - The answer is both. As for which .22 pistol? How much money do you want to spend and will this just be for plinking or for serious practice? If for serious practice then try to get a .22 Conversion for your primary SD gun. (i.e. get a AA conversion if your primary is a Glock. Sig and CZ make factory conversions for some of their pistols, etc..) the point is, the best practice is going to come from using a gun with the same grip, controls and trigger as your primary. if this is just for plinking, I would get (in this order) either a Browning Buckmark, Ruger 22/45 MKIII, Ruger Mark 2 (MKII). I would stay away from the Walther P22 or Sig Mosquito or any other gun with a zinc slide. If you want a .22 revolver, I would get a S&W. Any Smith .22 revolver would be good but I would learn toward either the 18 or 63 for their great weight\balance or the 617 because they can be had with a 10-shot cylinder. if you want something really nice and high end, a S&W 41 is pretty hard to beat. |
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You are getting a lot of different responses because you didn't really explain what purpose you will be using it for? As for which to get, a .22 pistol or a Ruger 10/22 rifle - The answer is both. As for which .22 pistol? How much money do you want to spend and will this just be for plinking or for serious practice? If for serious practice then try to get a .22 Conversion for your primary SD gun. (i.e. get a AA conversion if your primary is a Glock. Sig and CZ make factory conversions for some of their pistols, etc..) the point is, the best practice is going to come from using a gun with the same grip, controls and trigger as your primary. if this is just for plinking, I would get (in this order) either a Browning Buckmark, Ruger 22/45 MKIII, Ruger Mark 2 (MKII). I would stay away from the Walther P22 or Sig Mosquito or any other gun with a zinc slide. If you want a .22 revolver, I would get a S&W. Any Smith .22 revolver would be good but I would learn toward either the 18 or 63 for their great weight\balance or the 617 because they can be had with a 10-shot cylinder. if you want something really nice and high end, a S&W 41 is pretty hard to beat. the OP does state later on what purpose he he/she wants the 22LR for and its a common theme - AMMO PRICES. also, he/she want to "train" students. i also asked New/Used and how much $$$ too. |