Posted: 2/11/2004 1:01:46 PM EDT
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ok so I lied. I am not trying to start a flame, but I must know honestly what it is that keeps you guys raving for Glocks. I have tried to like them, I mean I have realllly tried. I even bought one, and carried it for almost a year. But truth be known, I hated it! Everything about it. While I cannot say that I had any reliability issues with it, these are the problems I just could not get over. 1. Its looks. This has got to be the ugliest handgun ever made. I am a functional guy like the next, but c'mon, the other manufactures are not having any probs making funcional combat handguns that don't look like two 2X4's nailed together. Look at the kimber TLE II for example. 2. Its feel. Once again the whole 2X4 analogy comes into play. I have felt better balanced Weatherby shotguns (well maybe not, WBY shotguns are the worst) but you get the point. Nothing like pulling out that good ol topheavy brick and giving it a double tap eh? 3. This whole safeaction BS! C'mon now, If the slide has to be operated each time to achieve hammer drop, its a single action. Maybe a hammerless single action, maybe even a really gimmicky single action, but it is still a single action. 4. Trigger pull. Need I say more. Yuck. While I will agree that a handgun needs a consistant trigger pull... why the hell make it such a crappy one. If one is going to put a dao trigger on a auto, why not model it after a fine smith, not a crappy ruger. (Just an analogy boys, calm down, I am not trying to emply that glock is designed after a ruger in any way) 5. Plastic. Plastic? Please. My Ar has plastic on it, but not any functional parts. I know that the SO in my county ditched their Glocks and went to sigs because they had three kaboom on the range. 6. Ballistic Fingerprinting. So tell me. Why glock? Again not looking for a heated debate, I want to know what keeps you ranting the glories of glock. I know I traded mine for a TV long ago. |
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My take on it: 1. Its looks. SUBJECTIVE - I don't mind their looks. 2. Its feel. SUBJECTIVE - I like how they feel. 3. This whole safeaction BS! SYMANTICS The name bothers you THAT much? 4. Trigger pull. SUBJECTIVE - Doesn't cause me any problems (I have had mine lightened). 5. Plastic. "POLYMER" - C'mon, join the rest of us in the 21st century... 6. Ballistic Fingerprinting. NON-ISSUE, IMO Personally, I don't care what their corporate policy is or whether or not they want me to have their play-pretties. No, I didn't throw out my S&Ws when they were going along with the Clinton administration's crap and yes, I still use Paypal. Yes, I know there are plenty on this board who consider it the ultimate act of betrayal - I don't see it that way. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, friend. Most of what you listed has to do with personal preference & most is the same anti-Glock stuff I read here all the time. I personally haven't found the perfect pistol yet, and there aren't many I haven't tried. I own & shoot all kinds of handguns - I carry my Glocks. I shoot them them better, so I carry & shoot them more, so I shoot them better, so... well, you get the idea. |
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First off, I'm not Glock junkie. I have exactly one Glock pistol, and actually prefer SIGs and 1911s myself. 1. Looks: Looks don't really matter to me. 2. Feel: Feels good to some, not to others. 3. Safeaction: Doesn't matter what they call it, we all know what it is. 4. Trigger Pull: Not the best, but can be improved still. 5. Plastic: Yes, the polymer, ever seen that stuff rust? 6. Ballistic Fingerprinting: If you care that much, switch out the barrel. ------ Alright, now my points. 1. Reliability: These things are about the best "off the shelf" handguns when it comes to reliability. Which, IMHO, is very important. 2. Simple: Field strip in 4-5 seconds, easy clean, throw back together. Probably 'the' easiest pistols to take apart and clean. 3. Combat Accuracy: Plenty accurate enough, and if you are one of those "all shots have to be in one hole" types and likes your raceguns, then you can upgrade barrels etc. 4. Price for the above. $500-$600 For a good 1911 or USP you'll be spending $700+ easy. |
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I assure you I am not trying to start a flame. The 1991 is in my username yes, but so is 9640 as in Beretta model 96 .40 S&W. I am by no means a 1911 fanatic. I own one, a series 70 government model that some cute old man sold me many years ago. However it is not all gizmo'd out. As a matter of fact It is currently for sale in the EE. I like the 1911 yes this is true. But I do not feel like it is the ultimate fighting handgun either. Now I am not a Beretta freak either. I wanted a model 92 since they first came out. However I HATE the 9mm, and refused to buy one on this basis. Lucky enough for me they came out with a .40 right around the same time I turned 21, so that problem was solved. However, It's accuracy is no where near up to par with that of the 92, or a glock for that matter. It is rather large, and the SA/DA change over crap is for the birds. The saftey is placed in the one of the hardest places to get to in a hurry, and functional magazines will cost you an arm and a leg. However, it is accurate enough for a self defense role, It has the abiltiy to be carried saftey off, half cocked safley, (thus easing the transition from double to single action) and it is easy on the eyes. (Not that important to many, but very to others...I fall somewhere in between) This is why I used to carry this handgun as my duty weapon. I have nothing against Glocks, I really don't. I find them very reliable, simple, and accurate enough for a defensive role. I just cannot make myself like them. There are many weapons out there that fit that bill. Heck a cheap ruger p97 is very reliable, simple, and accurate enough for defense, but I don't see people flocking to preach there glories. I just don't understand the facination. There has to be more to it. I mean S&W came out with an exact copy of the Glock (not that crap they are selling now, but the one before the lawsuit) and yet I don't ever hear about how great they are. Maybe it's just they name. There are plenty of Beretta fanatics on here, yet taurus's PT92 is in my eyes the same gun with a much more functional saftey mech, and yet I never see people going on and on about how great they are at 60% the price of the original. I don't know. Maybe I should just stick to Rifles, I understand them. Now if you will excuse me I have a date with a pair of Single action .45's that I was left by my father when he passed. Now there is a handgun. Simple, accurate, reliable, and graceful. And pardon the cliche "If you practice enough you can become effective...blah blah blah" I guess it is all personal opinion. Long live the black rifle eh? At least that we can agree on. |
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I don't like them either. I remember a year before I turned 21 I started looking at handguns. I was sold on the fact that I needed to get a Glock 17. Then I picked one up. I knew next to nothing about pistols, but I still knew right then that I didn't want a Glock. I got a Browning Hi-Power instead. And glad I did. Great first handgun. I like 1911's now, but still want a Sig or and HK sometime soon. I will never own a Glock though. And for many of the same reasons listed above. Just my .02 cents. |
I see we have another single action Glock owner. Since ALL Glocks that have been imported into this country for sale to the general public are DAO you guys must have some extremly rare variation that could be worth a ton of money. I would bet Glock would love to buy it back for study to see how one pistol in a million could leave their factory with a completly different trigger group from the rest. I would like to see it myself. |
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So pick something ya do like, how difficult a decision is this? Why "try" to like something, what? to please those of us that haven't got a problem with Glocks. I dislike Beretta pistols, but rather than complain and whine about the fact I dislike them, I just pick and purchase ones that I do like. As to what I like about them, who cares, you don't, so what do you care "what I like about them", it's a stupid question, nobody said you have to like them, so don't worry about it, buy what you like. It's not a popularity contest! Mike PS - btw, what the heck does "grace" have to do with your post? Bet Grace Kelly was a heck of alot more popular in her day than your post will be....., admitted liars don't engender alot of support ya know. |
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I have many Glocks for a few simple reasons. The Good. 1) Every Glock I have ever handled goes bang every time I pull the trigger on a live round. No malfunctions of any kind with factory ammo. 2) They are safe to carry and have no manual safety. 3) They are light weight and tough as nails. 4) I shoot as good or better with a Glock than any other pistol. 5) High cap mags. 6) None reflective finish that is tough and corrosion resistant. The Bad 1) I don’t like the way they feel in my hand without a Hogue grip. However I do like the way they feel with a Hogue grip. 2) I don’t like the factory sights but then again I don’t like any factory sights. However the company that makes my favorite sights makes sights for my Glocks and I have had them installed on most of them. 3) I don’t like the size of the mag release or the slide stop. However I can and have had that remedied by Glockmeister to my satisfaction. 4) The factory trigger is fine but takes a little getting used to but I have had Glockmiester install the New York trigger with a heaver spring on three of my Glocks. Personaly I don’t care how my combat/carry side arm looks. All I want in a combat/carry side arm is for it to accept high cap mags in a combat caliber that is easy to shoot fast and strait that is lightweight and very importantly; it must without any question go bang every time I pull the trigger on a live round. Glocks fill the bill for me more than any other side arm and that’s why I like them so much. |
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Ok,I am an Ex"Glock Junkie" who likes to make descisions based on imperical data and then force myself to fit the mold rather than the mold fit me. 1.Glocks are waaaaay more reliable than almost any other pistol. 2.Glocks are more corrosion resistant than almost any other pistol. 3.Glocks have Polygon barrels that will last for as many as 100,000 rds of military ball ammunition. 4.Glocks can and do fire even when fully submerged in water. 5.Glocks have more accessories available for them than any other pistol. 6.Glocks are low profile and an excellent choice for military and law enforcement use under 25M. All of ths being said here is why I finally got rid of my Glocks after nearly 9 years of training with and carrying them. I have "outgrown" the Glock and moved on to a steel framed custom Belgian Hi-Power. 1. With my Hi-Power I can hit a 6" circular gong at 100 yards(I could never do that with my Glocks) 2.With my Hi-Power I can easily conceal it underneath an untucked T-Shirt(I could not do that with my Glocks) 3.I can take accurate repetitive shots at combat ranges with my Hi-Power due to a predicatable/light/crisp/short trigger(none of which my Glocks possesed) 4.I can shoot my Hi-Power single handed(right or left)better than I could shoot my Glocks with both hands(pointable and elegant) 5.My Hi-Power has an external safety that gives me an extra second during weapon retetion drills(maybe this will prove to be true in real life some day) -The pistol does not make the pistolero and the best pistol in the world is not always the best pistol for you.- I am twice the pistol shot with a Hi-Power or HK P7 that I am with the Glock and as rugged and futuristic as the Glock is it's not terribly accurate and it's not terribly comfortable when compared to more refined pistols. While I shot a Glock I never wandered outside of the X ring but with my Hi-Power I never wander off of the X itself and that says volumes to me. For what a standard sidearm in the hands of a standard pistol shooter is supposd to do the Glock is a marvel but for the shooter who really plies his craft there are better pistols available. 1911A1 FN P35 Sig P-210 HK P7M8/P7M13 These are more accurate pistols with better triggers and in the hands of a skilled shooter will astonish Glock users who have never experienced "same hole,one handed,pointy finger of death accuracy" before :D |
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I've fired some, and don't like them, either. I have fired a lot of different pistols. I'll take a Glock over a S&W auto, but not a S&W revolver. I like fast reloads, so I like a 1911 over a revolver. Trigger pull is not a subjective criterion, either. It directly affects the ability to shoot the pistol accurately. I would take a an inherently less accurate rifle or pistol over an inherently more accurate one, if it had a good trigger pull, just because it's easier to hit with. It is one of my top requirements when purchasing a weapon. |
I would agree with you if he had been talking about the WEIGHT of the trigger pull - that is easily quantifiable. He was talking (unless I am mistaken) about the FEEL of the trigger pull, which most definately IS subjective. Different trigger designs have very different feels to them & what works best for you may not work best for me. The feel of the Glock trigger has never adversely affected my ability to fire if quickly & accurately. The original weight did, so I had that lightened. YMMV. |