[ARCHIVED THREAD] - High Point 45 acp (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/3/2009 6:15:11 PM EDT
| My buddy is looking into getting one of these. Being fairly new to Handguns I have never heard of them. Does anybody have any feedback? They seem pretty cheap but have a lifetime warranty and he is a family man not a rich man so money is tight. |
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Everyone likes to rag on Hi-Point because they're cheap and ugly. I never really seem to hear any comments about how they're POS guns, that they never work, etc. etc.
I say better a cheap, ugly gun that works that no gun at all. Hi-Points have there place, and even lower-income folks need to be able to afford a reliable handgun. But, I'd still recommend your buddy try to scrape under another couple c-notes and pick up a used Glock. |
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MY SON HAS A HIGH POINT 45 IT WILL SHOOT ANY KIND OF AMMO.DONT HANG UP. JUST AS ACCURATE AS MY SPRINGFIELD .THEY ARE CHEAP BUY THEY GET THE JOB DONE. Please turn off your caps lock.....its not necessary to yell. 
As for the Hi-point, if he wants it let him buy it. He will need to learn the hard way as most of us did at one point in our life. I for one wouldnt mind having another one. When I live in Ohio it was common to see these all over as that is where they are made. I bought one brand new for about $129 and regret selling it to this day. Even though it was uglier then sin I never had a problem with it. The handgun would be a good "truck gun" should it ever get stolen you didnt lose a weeks worth of salary in the process.....not even a days worth for most of us. |
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I typically advise people to avoid it for a carry piece. The people closest to me that have bought one quickly found them asking themselves "how many failures do I need to have to send it back in?"
If you want a cheap plinker, crappy finish, HUGE gun with small mag capacity, that you will have a hard time selling if you get upset with it, the High Point is for you. When people come to me for advice, the only gun I ask them to AVOID is the High Point. |
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MY SON HAS A HIGH POINT 45 IT WILL SHOOT ANY KIND OF AMMO.DONT HANG UP. JUST AS ACCURATE AS MY SPRINGFIELD .THEY ARE CHEAP BUY THEY GET THE JOB DONE. 
Either he is a helluva shot or you are a piss poor shot. No offense, sir. I've seen too many Hi-Points at the local ranges that struggle to get angle of hour groups to think they're going to be accurate, IMO. As for buying cheap guns, I ask you: how much is your LIFE worth? $100? $200? Personally, *I* value MY life more than that......................... My .o2 |
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From what I've seen, they are crap.
Some are reliable..................though reliability is damn important, it's not the ONLY consideration in a defensive sidearm. I would absolutely go a 100 or so more and get a MUCH BETTER firearm, such as a used Ruger or S&W auto. They can be had cheap, here and there, and are great values in used guns. |
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I bought a HI Point 9mm as my first pistol....... I wish I would have saved the money and got a good pistol. Now it resides in an ammo can and is never taken out mainly cause I'm not sure what to do with it, all I ever had were problems with it. Send it back, they have a lifetime warranty and surprisingly good customer service. |
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...As for buying cheap guns, I ask you: how much is your LIFE worth? $100? $200? Personally, *I* value MY life more than that......................... My .o2 Sometimes there are people in society that are honest, hardworking individuals and can only afford a $100 pistol. Food, heat, and clothes for the children come first. Hi-point provides them a somewhat decent $100 option to defend thier family and it is better than nothing. Beats the hell out of a jennings. That being said, if anyone can afford a bit more, I would strongly suggest they look at a used com-bloc pistol like a Mak. |
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Everyone likes to rag on Hi-Point because they're cheap and ugly. I never really seem to hear any comments about how they're POS guns, that they never work, etc. etc. This pretty much sums them up. They go for $120 around here and come with a lifetime warranty. Most I have seen and used worked well and would hit a man sized target at 20 feet, which is fine for self defense in your home. There are many more better options out there for a few more dollars but if budget is a prime concern, then Hi-points will work. I like the one poster that mentioned they work well for a truck gun, they really do and you won't cry if they are stolen. They are a local company here in Ohio and they stand behind thier products, they will fix anything they have made with no questions asked. And if you send them the gun without a mag they will give you a free one for your troubles. 
I use to own one of their carbines, that thing worked surprisingly well. Never failed and would keep all ten rounds on a pie plate at 50 yards. Had a blast with it and it introduced me to the world of (kinda-)black rifles. Would I give up my M4 clones for a hi-point? Heck no, but the Hi-point got me interested in the M4 clones I now own. |
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Sometimes there are people in society that are honest, hardworking individuals and can only afford a $100 pistol. Food, heat, and clothes for the children come first. Hi-point provides them a somewhat decent $100 option to defend thier family and it is better than nothing. Beats the hell out of a jennings. Dare I suggest they should've had a pistol BEFORE they acquired the wife, house & kids? There's also the option of lay-a-way, something I've used myself many, many times.
Given the option of using a Hi-Point or a sharp knife, I would take the sharp knife every day of the week. YMMV. |
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Dare I suggest they should've had a pistol BEFORE they acquired the wife, house & kids? Not always an option, plus some people do not come to the realization they are responsible for their protection until after they are married. There's also the option of lay-a-way, something I've used myself many, many times.
Agreed, it is a good option. But if you need a gun now, or your budget is still $120 or less, layaway doesn't help. Given the option of using a Hi-Point or a sharp knife, I would take the sharp knife every day of the week. YMMV. Seriously? Outside of four feet anyone with a gun (even a hi-point) will have the advantage. I think most here will agree, myself included, that there are much better options than Hi-points. Like I said before, if price is a huge concern than Hi-point is probably the best $100 gun available. If anyone could afford more than I would quickly suggest something better. |
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Linky on cheap guns
This is a neat article by Masaad Ayoob on cheap guns and how they still work for self defense in a pinch. |
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I bought a HI Point 9mm as my first pistol....... I wish I would have saved the money and got a good pistol. Now it resides in an ammo can and is never taken out mainly cause I'm not sure what to do with it, all I ever had were problems with it. Send it to the company they will fix it free of charge and send it back with at least one new mag for your troubles. I personally can only speak for the carbines but other on this boardhttp://www.hipointfirearmsforums.com/Forum/ can tell you thier experiance with their handguns. I love their carbine it was the best $112 I ever spent. |
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I typically advise people to avoid it for a carry piece. The people closest to me that have bought one quickly found them asking themselves "how many failures do I need to have to send it back in?" If you want a cheap plinker, crappy finish, HUGE gun with small mag capacity, that you will have a hard time selling if you get upset with it, the High Point is for you. When people come to me for advice, the only gun I ask them to AVOID is the High Point. one is more than enough. Hell you could send it in just to have them look it over if yu bought it used, they will update any old parts and sed it back with a new mag all free of charge. It does not matter if you are the 1st or 50th owner as long as there is a serial number to be read it does not matter what condition the firearm is in. |
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I will try not to give an opinion on quality but I will try to describe some of the "features" of the high point that set it apart and account for it's "affoardability" (Cheap price).
They are largely made of soft cast metal that is smoothed much at all. This makes the gun less carry friendly and shooter friendly as metal can snag clothing or cause discomfort when shooting or racking the slide. They are a blowback design. This means the slide is not locked to the barrel at any point suring the firing cycle to keep pressure contained inside the barrel. This is compensted for by makeing the slide heavier and using heavier recoil springs to contain full power loads like the 9mm or .45 acp. This translates into a heavier gun that is once again harder to carry, and a slide that is harder to cycle for loading. Not exactly features that will make it user friendly to the wife or a person with a disability, or lack of gun skill. Sights are o.k.. Trigger pull is a bit spongy. I guess we would need to know why he wants a pistol in the first place. Home defense? Carry? Range toy? If money is tight a .45 may not be the best pistol to practice with, as the ammo is about 33% more expensive than 9mm. If he wants it for defense he needs to practice. I'd get a .38 revolver if money was tight. Ammo is cheaper. More affoardable guns of good quality out there in the revolver world as well. High reliability, and easier to use. |
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Quoted:one is more than enough. Hell you could send it in just to have them look it over if yu bought it used, they will update any old parts and sed it back with a new mag all free of charge. It does not matter if you are the 1st or 50th owner as long as there is a serial number to be read it does not matter what condition the firearm is in.
One failure is more than enough to send it back in? What if it's your only gun? Congratulations, now you just spent $120 on a gun that you don't have. Like i said, my college buddy tried this approach. He COULD afford better, but decided to think that it does the same job as my pistols for a sixth of the price. So he sends it back once when it fails once out of every 5 times. He gets it back two weeks later after having NO gun for self defense. Then it has about 6 failures per 100 rounds. So he sends it back, they say they can't duplicate the problem, so they put an entirely new slide assembly and barrel on it and send it back. This time it only took one and a half weeks. But it still fails 5 out of 100 rounds. So he sends it back again, takes two weeks to get it back, and we parted ways by the time he got it back. Point is, he paid $130+ for the gun. Then he waited at least a month and a half while the gun was in transit. Then he paid quite a bit to ship it to them every time. And ultimately it still wasn't reliable enough for him to feel confident to use it for self defense. If it WAS, then he would've gotten a steal. At $130, it would have put close to the same 9mm round into a target that a $1000 9mm pistol could do. But that wasn't the case. That's why I urge people that when purchasing a gun for DEFENSE, do not even look to see what the warranty is. Because any warranty you get will result in you not having the gun for a couple weeks if you have to use it. As a general rule, companies that HAVE to have good customer service to stay afloat means that the product they put out there is crap. The Ayoob article seems to echo that. If reliability is equal, all that is important is putting holes in a target. And a cheap gun does that just as well as an expensive one. |
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Do him a favor, lead him to any of the inexpensive surplus pistols, either military or police surplus originating from other countries like the CZ-82, PA-63 or P-64, or military or police turn in pistols from this country like a Glock, S&W or Beretta. It's not that much more money and you get a proven design made from quality materials and assembled and finished properly. You can pick up a S&W model 10 for $170, a PA-63 for $140, a P-64 for $160 or a CZ-82 for $200. All of these guns are well made and reliable. The PA-63 and P-64 are both based on the PP and PPK design and will fit nicely in a pocket. I've seen more than enough HiPoint problems not to recommend them for any purpose other than plinking. Sorry to all you HiPoint fans, but I'd take any of the above guns for a self defense gun before I'd take a HiPoint. |
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I went through my CCW class using a Hi Point C-9, in a class with 21 people using Glocks, Taurus's, Springfield's, Colt's and even a fancy Kimber, and out of 21 shooters there were only 2 people who didn't have a jam or stovepipe, me and the guy using a revolver. So take your knife to protect yourself and I'll bring my C-9 to the fight, and guess who will regret not bringing a gun to a gunfight.
My C-9 is not my current carry weapon, I have a Springfield XD, but I can shoot as accurately with that C-9 as any shooter with similar experience using a high dollar semi-auto, it shoots as accurately as my Springfield that cost me $300.00 more than the Hi Point. I have yet to understand gun snobs, I fail to see the reason a fellow shooter feels a need to dis people who enjoy an activity they have in common. We have plenty enough anti-gun idiots in America to slam us, we sure as hell don't need to slam each other. Spend what you want for a gun, I'll spend what I feel is proper, meet me and we'll see who shoots straighter. I might be better, you might be better. But cut the hate, OK! |
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Quoted:I have yet to understand gun snobs, I fail to see the reason a fellow shooter feels a need to dis people who enjoy an activity they have in common. We have plenty enough anti-gun idiots in America to slam us, we sure as hell don't need to slam each other.!
Amen! Or was that aimed at me? 
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Quoted: I went through my CCW class using a Hi Point C-9, in a class with 21 people using Glocks, Taurus's, Springfield's, Colt's and even a fancy Kimber, and out of 21 shooters there were only 2 people who didn't have a jam or stovepipe, me and the guy using a revolver. Bullshit. If the Hipoint was so good why switch? After all, you said there were Springfields in your class that jammed while your wonderful C9 just kept on going and was just as accurate. So again, why the switch? Sorry, but your whole post is bullshit. |
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I have yet to understand gun snobs, I fail to see the reason a fellow shooter feels a need to dis people who enjoy an activity they have in common. We have plenty enough anti-gun idiots in America to slam us, we sure as hell don't need to slam each other. I didn't see a lot of folks disrespecting any PEOPLE over the Hi-Points. Again It may depend on what the purchaser is buying the pistol for, (which was never stated). If you are going to bet your life on one there may be better choices. Any purchaser should be aware if there is a higher rate of failures in a design. Ergonomics cannot be ignored in handgun shooting either. Maybe it is the best the guy can afford, in which case he can buy it and get as good with it as possible and it may serve him well. My questions to you are: Why did you buy an XD? (What drew you to that brand and model?) Which is easier to carry, shoot, and use in general? Which has better pointing characteristics? Which has better ergonomics as far as reaching controls? Which is easier to shoot from shot to shot for follow-ups? Which is easier to reload blind? Which is easier to find a holster for? Which has more options for someone who grows in the sport of shooting or in their pursuit of constant improvement in their shooting ability? Which will retain its value for resale or trade when it is time to move up (if that time ever comes)? The point, I think most posters are trying to make is to seek the best pistol you can afford not the cheapest you can find. Many of the guns folks buy are purchased and stored a lot and shot very little. A large investment is not needed here. Some folks have a desperate need for protection in a hurry, buy what you can. Some folks are looking for something to learn and improve with over time and looking at for long term use, They should save and shop and get the gun that fits their needs the best, and will last long enough for them to perpetually try to master. Spend what you want for a gun, I'll spend what I feel is proper, meet me and we'll see who shoots straighter. I might be better, you might be better. But cut the hate, OK! Anyone who feels threatened by remarks made on the internet needs to get a thicker skin. I don't like personal attacks on the internet but I will state an opinion on a product if someone asks for it. It is just that, an opinion, take it, leave it, fuggetaboudit. Doesn't matter, folks will buy what they want. I just hope to help people discern between what they want and need. Sometimes in an attempt to instantly gratify a want, people overlook other options that they could have with just another week or months worth of patience and saving of money. I hope I did not come accross as aggressive in this post. I'm not trying to point any fingers or disrespect you or anyone else, I'm just stating an opinion that I hope reads as a rational and thought out response. I am also genuinely interested in your honest answers to the questions I asked because they may help someone who is trying to decide on a handgun purchase. Your honest opinion could be a deciding factor. |
| My buddy purchased one a year ago. Lets start by saying their no uglier that my XDs. I will say my XDs have never let me down for shooting purposes. His High point jams constantly, if you want to do a hit job and toss it out its perfect. Tell your buddy to save a few more bucks and get a more reliable pistol. |
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I have seen about half a dozen hi-points, none worked 100%. Those that worked long enough to shoot a few rounds through them were incredibly difficult to shoot with any accuracy past about 5 yards.
I would take a NAA 22LR revolver over a Hi-Point 45. For $150 you could get a CZ-52. Or if this is for home defense and the budget is a strict $100, I'd get a break open 12ga for $100. |
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...As for buying cheap guns, I ask you: how much is your LIFE worth? $100? $200? Personally, *I* value MY life more than that......................... My .o2 Sometimes there are people in society that are honest, hardworking individuals and can only afford a $100 pistol. Food, heat, and clothes for the children come first. Hi-point provides them a somewhat decent $100 option to defend thier family and it is better than nothing. Beats the hell out of a jennings. That being said, if anyone can afford a bit more, I would strongly suggest they look at a used com-bloc pistol like a Mak. I'm willing to bet that if the average honest, hardworking individual who could only afford a $100 pistol sat down and listed everything they spend money on every month, and took a hard look at items around the house they might not need, they'd probably be able to come up with the $250 it would take to purchase a suitable handgun. |
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I have yet to understand gun snobs, I fail to see the reason a fellow shooter feels a need to dis people who enjoy an activity they have in common. We have plenty enough anti-gun idiots in America to slam us, we sure as hell don't need to slam each other. I didn't see a lot of folks disrespecting any PEOPLE over the Hi-Points. Again It may depend on what the purchaser is buying the pistol for, (which was never stated). If you are going to bet your life on one there may be better choices. Any purchaser should be aware if there is a higher rate of failures in a design. Ergonomics cannot be ignored in handgun shooting either. Maybe it is the best the guy can afford, in which case he can buy it and get as good with it as possible and it may serve him well. My questions to you are: Why did you buy an XD? (What drew you to that brand and model?) Which is easier to carry, shoot, and use in general? Which has better pointing characteristics? Which has better ergonomics as far as reaching controls? Which is easier to shoot from shot to shot for follow-ups? Which is easier to reload blind? Which is easier to find a holster for? Which has more options for someone who grows in the sport of shooting or in their pursuit of constant improvement in their shooting ability? Which will retain its value for resale or trade when it is time to move up (if that time ever comes)? The point, I think most posters are trying to make is to seek the best pistol you can afford not the cheapest you can find. Many of the guns folks buy are purchased and stored a lot and shot very little. A large investment is not needed here. Some folks have a desperate need for protection in a hurry, buy what you can. Some folks are looking for something to learn and improve with over time and looking at for long term use, They should save and shop and get the gun that fits their needs the best, and will last long enough for them to perpetually try to master. Spend what you want for a gun, I'll spend what I feel is proper, meet me and we'll see who shoots straighter. I might be better, you might be better. But cut the hate, OK! Anyone who feels threatened by remarks made on the internet needs to get a thicker skin. I don't like personal attacks on the internet but I will state an opinion on a product if someone asks for it. It is just that, an opinion, take it, leave it, fuggetaboudit. Doesn't matter, folks will buy what they want. I just hope to help people discern between what they want and need. Sometimes in an attempt to instantly gratify a want, people overlook other options that they could have with just another week or months worth of patience and saving of money. I hope I did not come accross as aggressive in this post. I'm not trying to point any fingers or disrespect you or anyone else, I'm just stating an opinion that I hope reads as a rational and thought out response. I am also genuinely interested in your honest answers to the questions I asked because they may help someone who is trying to decide on a handgun purchase. Your honest opinion could be a deciding factor. Well, maybe the response about opting to take a knife rather than a Hi Point set me off a little, that seemed a bit extreme to me anyway. But to answer your questions: What drew me to a Springfield? I liked the feel and weight of the pistol, and I don't care to carry an extra magazine if I don't have to. I see similar shot patterns with either pistol, but I do carry either the Springfield, or my 1911 if I really want to carry a load on my hip. That option requires I carry an extra magazine, the downfall for me using the Hi Point for a carry gun. Ergonomics is a problem with the Hi Point, I didn't expect a perfect gun for the price. I use the ghost ring on the Hi Point, and can come up on target as easily with it as the Springfield, or the 1911, that has a lot more expensive steel sights than either weapon. Add a Houge grip on a Hi Point, and it feels very nice, for less than 10 bucks. Pretty much anyone who's getting into shooting is going to buy more than one gun in a fairly short time, I'd shot a lot back year ago, and quit after I got out of the Army for a lot of years. In the past 6 months, 6 guns have followed me home from the gun shop, some for home defense, some for self defense, some just for fun, with no thought of them being practical. I'd tend to agree that being practical, saving to buy as much gun as possible would be the best course, but some folks income isn't ever going to support a gun that costs several hundred dollars, that set aside money tends to go to deal with the latest emergency, and they still remain unprotected. On a limited budget, buying a lower cost firearm, that allows more cash to buy ammo will get you to be a better shooter, nobody I know has ever been a crack shot right out of the blocks. And if you can shoot a weapon and put the round on target effectively, one shot does the job. That is the ideal we all strive towards isn't it? My step-son's budget was enough to buy a Hi Point recently, and though he hadn't shot in better than 25 years, he tore the hell out of the bullseye at 50 feet his first outing at the range, and his first experience with a semi-auto pistol. So, that clunky ugly piece of polymer and pot metal can't be all that bad. I'm sure he'd love to have the extra cash around to buy a top of the line firearm, but I know his financial situation, and I'm footing the cost of his training for and application cost for his CCW (and covering his range time for practice) so he will have enough extra for practice ammo. I know my aim is that IF I am ever faced with a self defense situation, I want that first shot to do what is necessary to stop the threat, and a Hi Point with one in the chamber is sure as hell gonna put that first round down the barrel. It's real easy to make comments about being thin skinned when you're the one making rash statements in the first place isn't it? Then cry foul when you're challenged about them. I'm not mad, I'm not threatened by you either. I find it childish to trash a certain firearm as junk, when people can point out failures by a lot more expensive guns in the same situation a cheap old Hi Point performed without flaws. I don't criticize anyone's guns, I assume they bought them at a price within their budget, that they had a good reason to buy them, and likely thought they made a sound decision in doing so. I'd hope that they didn't go with impulse buying to justify their purchase. In my experience, if you can get most any gun to chamber a round, can use your skills to deliver the round effectively on target, and the round goes "boom" when you pull the trigger, you can probably save your life when necessary. I see too many folks who bought way too much gun, IN MY OPINION, but it was their choice to do so, ad if they're happy with their purchase, fine. Bottom line is this to me anyway, we have a portion of the population of this country quite willing to trash any gun owner as a freak, and seeing my own blood brothers trash fellow blood brothers pisses me off. Can't we all present a united front to the anti-gun crowd, without bias towards our fellow shooters, regardless of what they can afford to buy? |
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Bottom line is this to me anyway, we have a portion of the population of this country quite willing to trash any gun owner as a freak, and seeing my own blood brothers trash fellow blood brothers pisses me off. Can't we all present a united front to the anti-gun crowd, without bias towards our fellow shooters, regardless of what they can afford to buy? You're confusing concerned gun owners not wanting new gun owners to get the shaft with people "trashing fellow blood brothers"? 
Make any decision you want, advise your relatives however you want, just know that people who see more than 1 or 2 Hi-Points do not think well of them. Make an educated decision. |
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And I can direct you to a couple of forums that offer a much different opinion of Hi Points firearms. I can also find forums where some people who claim to know what they are talking about trash nearly any firearm in production, or in existence for that matter. Opinions are opinions, experience is experience, in my experience, with better than 600 rounds through a Hi Point 9mm, if it's fed the right ammo, it goes boom like any other gun, and if the shooter can hit what they intend to hit, can put effective fire on it. I've seen comments in this thread going to the extreme that the claim was you can't hit a target at 5 feet with a Hi Point, if that be the case, someone needs range time and intense instruction, or maybe their skills are so poor that throwing the gun will benefit them.
I didn't say a Hi Point was the best gun around, you'll notice I didn't trash any make of firearm at all. Basing an opinion on one or two firearms is hardly an informed decision. I auditioned a lot more women than that before I chose one for a wife. A Hi Point is a low cost firearm, plain and simple. My finances are good enough that if spending $145.00 for a gun that didn't work as well as I'd like, I can easily put it aside for just play time shooting, or if it really made me mad, I could throw the thing away. Mine has worked if I fed it the right ammo, I'm real sorry not every one has performed like a Glock in other folks experience. I've seen more stories related about them that the person "knows somebody" who had problems, or "didn't think it looked cool enough" as their reason to trash the brand. I've heard supposed gun experts doing shows tell of how poorly made they are, how poor a firearm they are, yet when challenged about their report, they admit they have never even fired one. Funny, with most any forum you can find complaints about most any brand firearm, and praise for the same weapon from others. Who's right, who's wrong? My source of information on an unknown firearm is a local deputy that trains his department's officers, as well as officers from most every small town police force in SW Ohio, his opinion when I asked before buying a C-9 was: "It ain't pretty, but the damned thing works." He's got 30 years in law enforcement, has fired I'd guess most any firearm made, and is a damned good gunsmith, so excuse me if I value his opinion of the worth of a firearm more than someone on an internet forum I don't even know. |
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My brother has 1, bought is super cheap. It has never malfunctioned, shoots anything, and has a lifetime warranty.
Are they the best guns? No, but they seem to get the job done. I've shot it, its accurate yet heavy. On a side note, they are goofy as hell to take apart and get back together. Personally, I wouldn't buy 1 but they do seem to work well. |
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He's got 30 years in law enforcement, has fired I'd guess most any firearm made, and is a damned good gunsmith, so excuse me if I value his opinion of the worth of a firearm more than someone on an internet forum I don't even know. And forgive me if I value my own personal experience over someone who joined the forum very recently and whose only three posts are valiantly defending the Hi-Point, and along the way making some outrageous statements and claims. |
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Bottom line is this to me anyway, we have a portion of the population of this country quite willing to trash any gun owner as a freak, and seeing my own blood brothers trash fellow blood brothers pisses me off. Can't we all present a united front to the anti-gun crowd, without bias towards our fellow shooters, regardless of what they can afford to buy? You're confusing concerned gun owners not wanting new gun owners to get the shaft with people "trashing fellow blood brothers"?
Make any decision you want, advise your relatives however you want, just know that people who see more than 1 or 2 Hi-Points do not think well of them. Make an educated decision. Yes, he's confused, the OP asked for feedback, he's geting it. Anybody who thinks Hi Points rank w/ the top brands is ...... Yes, there are some that work great but some do not. The OP's friend sounds like this is his first gun w/ not a lot of money to spare, doesn't sound like his finances are good enough if it doesn't work to use it for playtime shooting or to throw it away. Money is tight, all the more reason to save and get a higher quality w/ better odds of working right the first time, not having to return it for service and back to no weapon to protect his family. The people that have good ones, great , you got a good deal, but the ones that are not reliable are expensive paper weights. Just because you have one that works doesn't mean they all do, that's what the OP is looking for, %'s. I wonder what that Deputy carries on duty, off duty, what's on his night stand? Hell, w/ all the budget shortages, the counties and states could save alot of money by equiping the PD's w/ Hi Points. . It's better than a stick or knife, Jennings, Raven, etc, maybe but it is what it is. Read the OP and help the guy out, what if he spends his hard earned money on one because someone glorified it into a Glock(yes, everything can malfunction but)and gets a lemon. He doesn't have the money to throw it away and buy something else. Consider the situation, unless he can buy a used one from his best friend that is known to be reliable, he doesn't need a Hi Point.
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He's got 30 years in law enforcement, has fired I'd guess most any firearm made, and is a damned good gunsmith, so excuse me if I value his opinion of the worth of a firearm more than someone on an internet forum I don't even know. And forgive me if I value my own personal experience over someone who joined the forum very recently and whose only three posts are valiantly defending the Hi-Point, and along the way making some outrageous statements and claims. such as? |
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He's got 30 years in law enforcement, has fired I'd guess most any firearm made, and is a damned good gunsmith, so excuse me if I value his opinion of the worth of a firearm more than someone on an internet forum I don't even know. And forgive me if I value my own personal experience over someone who joined the forum very recently and whose only three posts are valiantly defending the Hi-Point, and along the way making some outrageous statements and claims. such as? This is the biggest load of bullshit I've read on ARF in months. Quoted:
I went through my CCW class using a Hi Point C-9, in a class with 21 people using Glocks, Taurus's, Springfield's, Colt's and even a fancy Kimber, and out of 21 shooters there were only 2 people who didn't have a jam or stovepipe, me and the guy using a revolver. So take your knife to protect yourself and I'll bring my C-9 to the fight, and guess who will regret not bringing a gun to a gunfight. |
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He's got 30 years in law enforcement, has fired I'd guess most any firearm made, and is a damned good gunsmith, so excuse me if I value his opinion of the worth of a firearm more than someone on an internet forum I don't even know. And forgive me if I value my own personal experience over someone who joined the forum very recently and whose only three posts are valiantly defending the Hi-Point, and along the way making some outrageous statements and claims. such as? This is the biggest load of bullshit I've read on ARF in months. Quoted:
I went through my CCW class using a Hi Point C-9, in a class with 21 people using Glocks, Taurus's, Springfield's, Colt's and even a fancy Kimber, and out of 21 shooters there were only 2 people who didn't have a jam or stovepipe, me and the guy using a revolver. So take your knife to protect yourself and I'll bring my C-9 to the fight, and guess who will regret not bringing a gun to a gunfight. Were you there? Can you confirm this did or did not happen? Stranger things have happened. Or is it just your feelings that you base this on? Me personally I have only shot one Hi- point handgun it was a .45 it fired all of the rounds out of the mag with out problem I only shot one mag though. My 995 carbine has had thousands of round through it with maybe a hand full of malfunctions. And so has my AK nothing is perfect and anything mechanical will malfuction. I have witnesed a USP a Glock and a 1911 malfunction does this mean that they are all P.O.S.? No it means shit happens. I wonder how many people here have acutally fired one. My guess most if not all of those saying a knife or sharp stick would be better have not and only go by the price and what others have heard about them and not based on experiance with them. Are there better options? sure Can the OP's freind afford them? I dont know. would the OPs freind be better off unarmed? certainly not. |
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I was sent to a call a few years ago. A home invasion, three guys broke into this guy's house.
The guy was a doper, they were there to steal his dope. The three dumbasses were armed with baseball bats. Homeboy, (the victim, I guess) had a hi-point .45. He fired one shot, blowing a hole in the water heater in the utulity closet and spraying hot water all over the place. Dumbasses fled for their lives. Homey would have shot them some more but his hi-point jammed. Homeboy had a right to defend himself in his home, even if he was a dope dealer, and we didn't charge him. this was the only Hi-point I've seen used in self defense. Final score:Hi-point .45=one...Dumbasses with ball bats=zero. Water heater=zero. Any gun is better than no gun. Almost any gun is better than a hi-point. A good time was had by all. |
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Were you there? Can you confirm this did or did not happen? Stranger things have happened. Or is it just your feelings that you base this on? Me personally I have only shot one Hi- point handgun it was a .45 it fired all of the rounds out of the mag with out problem I only shot one mag though. My 995 carbine has had thousands of round through it with maybe a hand full of malfunctions. And so has my AK nothing is perfect and anything mechanical will malfuction. I have witnesed a USP a Glock and a 1911 malfunction does this mean that they are all P.O.S.? No it means shit happens. I wonder how many people here have acutally fired one. My guess most if not all of those saying a knife or sharp stick would be better have not and only go by the price and what others have heard about them and not based on experiance with them. Are there better options? sure Can the OP's freind afford them? I dont know. would the OPs freind be better off unarmed? certainly not. Like I said I have seen roughly half a dozen of these firearms and none worked 100%. I'm saying that the day 20 semiautomatic pistols gathered in one place, including Glock, Kimber, Colt, and Springfield, at least one each, and the only pistol to not have a malfunction is a Hi-Point, would be the day hell froze over. I say this having extensive experience with semiautomatic handguns and having seen more Hi-Points than the pro-Hi-Point crowd here, who seem to think that a sample size of one makes them an expert on Hi-Points. |
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Well then, I guess you're seeing that frost on your butt huh? I do love the comments trashing the hell out of me though, real class act. The deputy has a Sig, department issued, and I never said he endorsed Hi Points as the best possible firearm, I said he felt they worked, which they obviously do, if not, I'd guess the company would be out of business. I never claimed they were the ultimate firearm, but if you're on a budget that only allows the purchase price without a great burden to their family, it does what a pistol is supposed to do, go bang when you pull the trigger. The water heater story really made me laugh, I'd advise the drug dealer who defended his home to seek instruction and get in some range time, if he aimed at the bad guys and hit something completely different, he needs practice.
But then again, since I've only posted a few posts, according to some here, I have no friggin idea what I'm talking about, and making incredible claims that are hard for the associated EXPERTS here to believe. I stand corrected, all those here who dislike Hi Points are experts who know all, have seen it all, and are above reproach in their EXPERT OPINIONS! Just like the Pope when he speaks on issues of theology. Damn, you folks must make a lot of money since your opinions are so far above the experiences of mere mortals. 
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Sometimes there are people in society that are honest, hardworking individuals and can only afford a $100 pistol. Food, heat, and clothes for the children come first. Hi-point provides them a somewhat decent $100 option to defend thier family and it is better than nothing. Beats the hell out of a jennings. Given the option of using a Hi-Point or a sharp knife, I would take the sharp knife every day of the week. YMMV. 
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| I'll not lower myself to your level and call you names, thanks for showing how childish you are. Let me know, I live in Dayton, Ohio, come on up and say that to my face. I can rest assured I'll never hear from you to "meet and greet" on a personal nature. How would I know that? People who make such statements without any knowledge of the person they choose to insult rarely, or never have the integrity to personally say it. Real easy to slam folks hiding behind a keyboard isn't it big man? |
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I'll not lower myself to your level and call you names, thanks for showing how childish you are. Let me know, I live in Dayton, Ohio, come on up and say that to my face. I can rest assured I'll never hear from you to "meet and greet" on a personal nature. How would I know that? People who make such statements without any knowledge of the person they choose to insult rarely, or never have the integrity to personally say it. Real easy to slam folks hiding behind a keyboard isn't it big man? I would gladly say that to your face. It is not a name if it is the truth. You are a liar. You have every earmark of a troll. And have done nothing to prove that you are anything but. Recent join date, 5 posts, all in a thread defending Hi-Points, while making outrageous claims. As well as being indignant about nonexistant "bashing of blood brothers". In other words, you're upset because not everyone who's seen a Hi-Point shares your opinion. |