Posted: 12/23/2008 8:21:19 AM EDT
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im not the indecisive type, but it happens. my buddies are not into firearms like i am, so i am reaching out to you expierenced gents. im due for a new handgun, and im set on the glock 19 or the smith m&p9. i will take my cc class with this, as well as, hopefully, take it to larry vickers class in march. yes, i have shot a glock, i own a 17L, 34, and 22. this is geared toward those that own or have shot both. i have scoured the web and read alot of articles, but need some hands on exp. from folks whose opinion i value. so fire away.. thanks for your time; merry Christmas!
ps - dont bother with sig,hk, or 1911 plugs.. i own all and im set on one if the abvoe. 
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| Have you held both in your hand? I have and the M&P feels a lot better than a glock. Shoots just as great too. The deal breaker is the lack of pre-ban mags for the m&P. Yeah, I live in a fucktard state. Since you don't have that issue, I'd lean towards the m&p. |
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Personally I prefer the M&P.
The M&P 9 is a tad larger than a G19, a tad smaller than the G17. That may be important if you want to use this pistol for concealed carry. The M&P's magazines are a bit harder to find and tend to be on the expensive side. The cheapest place I know of sells them for $29 a piece right now. Installing aftermarket sights on the M&P is a bit more difficult than on a Glock, and the S&W approved sight tool can be hard to find. (No other sight tool should be used, as other tools have a tendancy to break the slide rails if you torque them too tightly) The CT laser module for the M&P is MUCH better than the CT module for the Glock. With a trip back to the performance center for the installation of the PC sear, the M&P ends up with a trigger that is almost as good as a good 1911 trigger. Many don't think the M&P needs that modification as the trigger on them smooths out after several hundred rounds. If you wish to do dryfire practice with the M&P you MUST use snap-caps to avoid breaking the striker. I have 4 M&P's currently and I have 2 of the PistolTraining.com special edition M&P's on order, so it's safe to say I'm a fan of the M&P. They fit me better than Glocks and I don't suffer slide bite with them. I also find them easier to shoot under stress than Glocks, although when shooting bullseye I can use either equally well. I think the M&P is certainly worth a look if you are looking to T&E something. If you are looking for a weapon to use for serious social purposes, the G19 may be a better fit for you because you are already familiar with Glocks and probably have a whole bunch of Glock carry gear. The Vickers course is a good idea...just don't show up with a G19 that has factory plastic sights on it unless you want Mr. Vickers to use you as a "teaching point"..... 
By the way, when you see Mr. Vickers, ask him to tell you the "Smackem-Ruga!!" story. |
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You made the right decision,much better than the Smith and Wesson gun of the week! The M&P is hardly the "gun of the week"....it's the horse S&W is betting its future on. So far the bet is going swimmingly. I know, the M@P is much more venerable than the G19! Yes its popular,and a decent pistol. Still won't stop S@W from pulling the plug on it in five years,when marketing decides they can hang a few more bells and whistles off from it ! |
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Since you already have Glocks you made the right choice.
Seems like once you get a Glock 1 is never enough. I own 3 9mm glocks and I am now tempted to grab a g21sf soon. I keep throwing out the idea of getting a different gun but I can't. My dad just bought a m&p compact 9mm. They are more comfortable than a glock, and the sights are better. But I still love glocks...no idea why but I am hooked. So far I have converted to of my friends over to Glocks. One from m&p's and one from sig. |
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With a trip back to the performance center for the installation of the PC sear, the M&P ends up with a trigger that is almost as good as a good 1911 trigger. Many don't think the M&P needs that modification as the trigger on them smooths out after several hundred rounds. . Good post. But with the hinge and huge take up, calling it like a good 1911 trigger is a stretch. imo. |
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Put a G17 smooth-face trigger on the 19. So much better, I hated my G19 before that mod. Could you tell me more about that style of trigger? The trigger is the only mod I would like to make to my G19, everything else fits me perfect! It's just a straight drop-in factory part. You need to buy the G17 factory trigger: http://www.topglock.com/item/41284_Glock_Parts_Glock_Factory_Part__Trigg.aspx or http://glockmeister.com/product_info.php?products_id=287 |
| I had both and sold them both. I don't like Glocks for the simple fact it has not evolved, or evolved very little, and the M&P is needlessly complex. I sold them and bought a pair of XD's and have not looked back. In fact, I sold all three of my Glocks because of the superior egronomics and passive safety features of the XD. The M&P was a nice pistol, but the way it broke down was idiotic. I also have seen Glock AD's and feel that while it is a fine pistol that is proven, there are better options out there. Only because Glock came out when it did is the only reason that it is so popular with PD's around the country. Don't get me wrong, I like Glocks just fine, and they are proven, I just feel that superior platforms exist and people need to realize that there are other options that are equal to, or better. The people who say Glocks are the only thing, probably are saying the same thing about their trucks, and it gets tiring. So, buy what you like, they are all fine, but take a look at the XD, I resisted for a long time, but now am very content with my decisions. |
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I have owned a Glock, an XD, and an M&P. I now own plural M&Ps. G19 would be best for the OP because he already has Glocks. JW777, do you know more than has been posted on M4C about the PT.com M&P? Availability? A bit...but not much more. Feel free to IM me with any ?'s. |
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Good post. But with the hinge and huge take up, calling it like a good 1911 trigger is a stretch. imo. ...which is why I used the term "almost"....
It does have a long takeup and a faint reset (at least without the MA trigger bar/spring combo installed), but when properly configured the break itself is crisp and very clean....certainly among the best triggers you'll find on any polymer handgun. |
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Good post. But with the hinge and huge take up, calling it like a good 1911 trigger is a stretch. imo. ...which is why I used the term "almost"....
It does have a long takeup and a faint reset (at least without the MA trigger bar/spring combo installed), but when properly configured the break itself is crisp and very clean....certainly among the best triggers you'll find on any polymer handgun. Well, alright. I'd feel more at liberty to experiment with my trigger if parts were more available. I got it now about 4.5lbs with a short reset, but the sear engagement is still pretty long. I got a set of Warren night sights for it the other day. And I ordered that hokey sight tool. 
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Well, alright. I'd feel more at liberty to experiment with my trigger if parts were more available. I got it now about 4.5lbs with a short reset, but the sear engagement is still pretty long. I got a set of Warren night sights for it the other day. And I ordered that hokey sight tool. The term is "awesome" sight tool....not "hokey"...as the MGW M&P tool offers support on either side of the slide that prevents cracking the rails. The tool also works marvelously for 9mm/.40/.357 sig Glocks. |
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Good post. But with the hinge and huge take up, calling it like a good 1911 trigger is a stretch. imo. ...which is why I used the term "almost"....
It does have a long takeup and a faint reset (at least without the MA trigger bar/spring combo installed), but when properly configured the break itself is crisp and very clean....certainly among the best triggers you'll find on any polymer handgun. Well, alright. I'd feel more at liberty to experiment with my trigger if parts were more available. I got it now about 4.5lbs with a short reset, but the sear engagement is still pretty long. I got a set of Warren night sights for it the other day. And I ordered that hokey sight tool. Parts ARE readily available. You can buy the whole sear block assembly from MidwayUSA for around $20, and the whole trigger assembly as well. This is what the Glock guys cry about every other maker "can't get parts!" Now that I've smithed down the trigger on my M&P9, I have hardly any use for my G19 (my last Glock). The M&P completely blows away the Glock (IMO) in terms of ergonomics, is significantly superior in accuracy and now has a comparable to slightly better trigger after I smithed down the sear. I must admit I bought the gun cheap from Bud's on sale, thought it looked like a POS, felt cheap, etc. It's quickly become quite possibly my favorite 9mm! YMMV. |
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Really? Are they in stock? They're not? OMGWTFBBQ I rest my case.
Wow, you must need parts now! If you're that impatient, better sell it and get a G19 like everyone else on ARFCOM. 
OR, click the email notification, and they'll let you know when the part is in. They just had them last week, as I considered buying a spare sear housing block in case I screwed mine up. |
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Skill, here are your parts:
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/schematics/schemmfg.aspx?schemid=859&m=15&mn=Smith+%26+ |
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Just for reader reference, the M&P 9 is not smaller than the Glock 17. Here is one next to a Glock 21 for comparison. http://i40.tinypic.com/1687wpu.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/ad2dtu.jpg Uhhh....it is. Here's an M&P 9 next to a Glock 17: 
It has a slightly shorter grip and a slightly shorter slide and barrel. The M&P is slightly wider than the Glock 17. |
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Just for reader reference, the M&P 9 is not smaller than the Glock 17. Here is one next to a Glock 21 for comparison. http://i40.tinypic.com/1687wpu.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/ad2dtu.jpg Uhhh....it is. Here's an M&P 9 next to a Glock 17: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0670.jpg It has a slightly shorter grip and a slightly shorter slide and barrel. The M&P is slightly wider than the Glock 17. You have to include the beavertail in the equation since it will affect concealability. When comparing overall length and overall height it is exactly the same size as a Glock 21. It is slimmer, though. The M&P 9 and M&P 45 are no wider than a 1911. ETA: The Glock 17 is 5.43" high/7.32" long and the M&P 9 is 5.5" high/7.5" long. By comparison, the Glock 21 is 5.47" high/7.59" long. The M&P is 1.2" wide whereas the Glock 17 is 1.18" wide and the Glock 21 is 1.27" wide. |
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You have to include the beavertail in the equation since it will affect concealability. If you'll notice the butt of a G17 extends past the rear-most point of the top of the frame...which happens to be about the same length as the M&P's beavertail....but Glock doesn't figure that into their measurements. When comparing overall length and overall height it is exactly the same size as a Glock 21. It is slimmer, though. The M&P 9 and M&P 45 are no wider than a 1911. ETA: The Glock 17 is 5.43" high/7.32" long and the M&P 9 is 5.5" high/7.5" long. By comparison, the Glock 21 is 5.47" high/7.59" long. The M&P is 1.2" wide whereas the Glock 17 is 1.18" wide and the Glock 21 is 1.27" wide. You're using Glock's specs...which is fine IF you know how they were obtained and IF the M&P specs are measured the exact same way...which they aren't. The Glock's specs on height are measured without a magazine inserted, whereas the M&P's are WITH a magazine inserted. The Glock's height specs are measured from the bottom of the frame to the top of the factory rear sight. Add in a magazine and an aftermarket rear sight (which every Glock owner should install...the factory sights are awful) and suddenly the specs look a whole lot different. Similarly, the Glock specs don't measure from the longest dimensions on the weapon...the M&P DOES. The spectrum goes like this: G21 > M&P45 > G17 > M&P 9 > G19 > M&P 9C > G26 |
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You have to include the beavertail in the equation since it will affect concealability. If you'll notice the butt of a G17 extends past the rear-most point of the top of the frame...which happens to be about the same length as the M&P's beavertail....but Glock doesn't figure that into their measurements. When comparing overall length and overall height it is exactly the same size as a Glock 21. It is slimmer, though. The M&P 9 and M&P 45 are no wider than a 1911. ETA: The Glock 17 is 5.43" high/7.32" long and the M&P 9 is 5.5" high/7.5" long. By comparison, the Glock 21 is 5.47" high/7.59" long. The M&P is 1.2" wide whereas the Glock 17 is 1.18" wide and the Glock 21 is 1.27" wide. You're using Glock's specs...which is fine IF you know how they were obtained and IF the M&P specs are measured the exact same way...which they aren't. The Glock's specs on height are measured without a magazine inserted, whereas the M&P's are WITH a magazine inserted. The Glock's height specs are measured from the bottom of the frame to the top of the factory rear sight. Add in a magazine and an aftermarket rear sight (which every Glock owner should install...the factory sights are awful) and suddenly the specs look a whole lot different. Similarly, the Glock specs don't measure from the longest dimensions on the weapon...the M&P DOES. The spectrum goes like this: G21 > M&P45 > G17 > M&P 9 > G19 > M&P 9C > G26 Sounds good in theory, but the Glock 21 and M&P 9 pictured above are exactly the same length and height. It's not an optical illusion. |
| Ok, I belong to the church of the 1911 but over the last 10 years I've owned 4 glocks. 2-19's and 2-23's I really tried to like them but there gone now. My wife just bought an M&P 9c so me being a nice guy I helped her run a few hundred rounds through it yesterday. I like it, she loves it after a couple hundred rounds the trigger got really smoooth!! |