Posted: 11/4/2008 8:08:33 AM EDT
| Why does no one ever talk about this round anymore? I have a Springfield XD-45 G.A.P in a 5" tact. model, and I love it. I also have a Glock 21 SF ( in .45 ACP of course ) and I can tell no differance between these two rounds. |
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Why does no one ever talk about this round anymore? I have a Springfield XD-45 G.A.P in a 5" tact. model, and I love it. I also have a Glock 21 SF ( in .45 ACP of course ) and I can tell no differance between these two rounds. exactly imo, glock went w/ re-enginering the cartridge when all they had to do was re-tweek the grip frame size of the G21 
the GAP in glocks imo, well all it did was lower the capactiy of a full sized glock; and, ammo is tougher to find vs ACP |
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It somewhat amazes me that the same people who support the .40 S&W, a cartridge that exists for the sole reason of putting a low power 10mm into a 9mm sized gun, will trash the .45 GAP, whose sole reason to exist is to put a low powered .45 ACP into a 9mm sized pistol. I fail to see the logic in liking one and hating the other. |
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But its still a .45, and it i'm not to bad mistaken the numbers between the two rounds are not too much different. I just think the GAP pistols are just as good as the ACP. Just my 2 cents The equality part is only in the 185gr loads. The vast, vast majority of .45acp loads sold are in the 230gr weight. As for why this rd is dying out, just go to a local sporting goods store & try to buy .45GAP ammo & see how successful you are? Now that Glock has come out with their SF models, they're all but admitting the GAP caliber is dead & buried, IMO. |
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"Why does no one talk about this round anymore"
Because it's stupid. The only two reasons people can come up with to use it is a) less recoil and b) smaller grip. Addressing a), if the recoil of the .45 ACP bothers you, you are a poon. b) it is only marginally smaller and just as wide, while allowing no better capacity than a standard .45. Please god let the .45 GAP die |
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It somewhat amazes me that the same people who support the .40 S&W, a cartridge that exists for the sole reason of putting a low power 10mm into a 9mm sized gun, will trash the .45 GAP, whose sole reason to exist is to put a low powered .45 ACP into a 9mm sized pistol. I fail to see the logic in liking one and hating the other. .45 GAP has almost the same ballistics as the .45acp. There is nothing low power .45 acp at all about it. There certainly isn't the kind of difference as exists between the 10mm and 40 S&W. I don't like either. Just get a 9mm if you need a small frame. There is no real difference between any of them, so why try to stuff an oversize round into a small frame? I can handle the G21, so I don't bother with the smaller frames. If I were to get a small Glock, it will be a G19. |
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The .45 GAP can approximate .45 ACP ballistics, much like .357 Sig and .357 Magnum. However, both the .45 ACP and .357 Magnum have loads that can trump the "pretenders".
Still, the .45 GAP was designed to give .45 ACP type ballistics in a more user-friendly package, which it most certainly does. However, you have to look carefully at the ballistics numbers. According to Speer, there is a negligible difference between thier 200grn GAP load and 180grn .40 S&W load. *IIRC, its something like 20fps/40ftlbs or less* The difference is so slight that when using the Gold Dot, there is probably no difference between the .40 S&W and .45 GAP. So while the GAP gives you ".45 ACP type ballistics" in a smaller package, so do other platforms. Small frame .45 ACP's and some .40 S&W's fit into this parameter, depending on who you ask...As they say, there is more than one way to skin a cat. IMO, the .45 GAP was nothing more than Gaston Glock trying to keep up with Colt, Sig and S&W by developing his own proprietary cartridge. Compared with the aforementioned calibers, the .45 GAP is an abysmal failure. While some LE agencies have adopted it, its very much a dying caliber. Remember, the Kentucky SP and other agencies adopted 10mm right out of the gate, and now this caliber*which is awesome* is essentially dead in LE/defensive circles. The GAP is heading for a similar fate, but knowledgible shooters won't be so quick to adopt/ressurect it... The GAP is an adequate defensive caliber, but it doesn't do anything that a .40/.45 ACP can't do better/cheaper. |
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.45 GAP may die out. It's only claim to fame is that it is a cartage that approximates .45 ACP in a slightly smaller package. It was not widely adopted, and its niche was filled by the Glock 21SF for which ammunition availability is much better. Although some law enforcement agencies have adopted it, some of them may change to another catrage during their next big weapons buys. On another note, I do not believe that the 10mm will suffer the same fate as the .45 GAP. The 10mm is a great defensive round and I support its use for this purpose. However, its main calim to fame is as the most powerful while still controllable, relatively cheap, and avalible auto pistol cartrage that you can buy. It is great for reloading, and for handgun hunters who do not want to be limited to a revolver. Long live the 10mm! |
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IMO, the .45 GAP was nothing more than Gaston Glock trying to keep up with Colt, Sig and S&W by developing his own proprietary cartridge. What caliber did Colt develop in the 1911????? .45 Automatic Colt Pistol Since when is the .45acp proprietary???? [>:/] |
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Quoted: It can approximate non +P loads. It falls well short of +P loadings and fails to come anywhere in the same hemisphere as .45 Super loads, something most standard 45 ACP handguns can do with a spring change. And now you are looking at the same kind of difference as between .40 S&W and 10mm.Quoted: It somewhat amazes me that the same people who support the .40 S&W, a cartridge that exists for the sole reason of putting a low power 10mm into a 9mm sized gun, will trash the .45 GAP, whose sole reason to exist is to put a low powered .45 ACP into a 9mm sized pistol. I fail to see the logic in liking one and hating the other. .45 GAP has almost the same ballistics as the .45acp. Really, it's ok to like the GAP on it's own merits, but don't bury your head in the sand, it IS a low powered .45 ACP round, just as are all standard, non +P and non Super .45 ACP loads are as well. |
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But its still a .45, and it i'm not to bad mistaken the numbers between the two rounds are not too much different. I just think the GAP pistols are just as good as the ACP. Just my 2 cents The equality part is only in the 185gr loads. The vast, vast majority of .45acp loads sold are in the 230gr weight. As for why this rd is dying out, just go to a local sporting goods store & try to buy .45GAP ammo & see how successful you are? Now that Glock has come out with their SF models, they're all but admitting the GAP caliber is dead & buried, IMO. And if you do find it, let me know how much it costs. 
With that being said, there is nothing wrong with the GAP, but I agree with ALPHAGHOST. All Glock had to do was make the G21SF and the problem was solved. |
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IMO, the .45 GAP was nothing more than Gaston Glock trying to keep up with Colt, Sig and S&W by developing his own proprietary cartridge. What caliber did Colt develop in the 1911????? .45 Automatic Colt Pistol Since when is the .45acp proprietary???? [>:/] Who said anything about Colt developing a proprietary cartridge? They developed it, they named it. I think there is something to the idea that Gaston simply wanted his name on a cartridge, even if it was a dumb idea. |
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Who said anything about Colt developing a proprietary cartridge? Seriously????? [>:/] Quoted:
IMO, the .45 GAP was nothing more than Gaston Glock trying to keep up with Colt, Sig and S&W by developing his own proprietary cartridge. It was until something other than the 1911 was chambered in it. Winchester and Colt developed the pistol and cartridge together starting in 1904. Just because it starts as a proprietary cartridge built for a specific pistol doesn't mean others aren't going to be chambered in it. |
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It can approximate non +P loads. It falls well short of +P loadings and fails to come anywhere in the same hemisphere as .45 Super loads, something most standard 45 ACP handguns can do with a spring change. And now you are looking at the same kind of difference as between .40 S&W and 10mm.
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It somewhat amazes me that the same people who support the .40 S&W, a cartridge that exists for the sole reason of putting a low power 10mm into a 9mm sized gun, will trash the .45 GAP, whose sole reason to exist is to put a low powered .45 ACP into a 9mm sized pistol. I fail to see the logic in liking one and hating the other. .45 GAP has almost the same ballistics as the .45acp. Really, it's ok to like the GAP on it's own merits, but don't bury your head in the sand, it IS a low powered .45 ACP round, just as are all standard, non +P and non Super .45 ACP loads are as well. I don't like the round at all. I think it is a stupid idea, but come on, you know I'm right. .45 super is a beast all it's own. |