Posted: 3/13/2008 2:11:40 PM EDT
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Winter Haven Florida Police Ditch Glocks After Two Explode Two of 90 Glock Model 37 pistols blew up in separate training incidents a year From the Lakeland Florida Ledger http://www.theledger.com/article/20080313/NEWS/803130481/1039 |
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i do believe i read this is another thread = dupe? ETA: Here is the thread from GD. |
| It's always fun to watch the chaos when a PD switches guns. Interesting that they wouldn't send the broken guns back to Glock for an inspection. Do they really believe that the KB's were caused by the Glocks plastic frame? Really. This isn't even worth discussing since they haven't returned the guns to Glock for inspection and they haven't released any ammo info. Let them switch to S&W's if that's what makes them happy. |
| I view Glock 9mm handguns to be among the best combat handguns in the world. But I absolutely refuse to carry Glocks chambered in anything else, especially .40SW, 10mm, .45GAP and .357 Sig. Not only are the Glock 9mm's the most reliable and trouble free of the Glock line, but they are also the model least likely to suffer a KB. However, those other calibers mentioned above are very much a roll of the dice. There have been enough KB incidents associated with them to convince me that the Glock just isn't a good platform for those rounds. If you wanna shoot those calibers, your best bet would be to find a model with a supported chamber. Doing so greatly lessens the chance you'll have your pistol blow up in your hand. Then you only have ammo to contend with. Most other weapons won't KB with factory ammo, whereas there have been many documented cases of Glock .40's going boom, even with factory ammo. The margin of error for that weapon is just too small for me to take the chance of using it. |
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Dupe. Yes, Glocks have an inherent design that makes them more susceptable to KB's. But KB's can for the most part be avoided by following some simple guidelines. I'm not going into the details here as there are sites specific to this. I use Glocks believe in Glocks and have had no problems. But I do follow some simple rules in regards to ammo and how many times I will let the slide fall on a round before shooting it. |
Did they change ammo or not????
JSO here in Jacksonville has also been carrying the 22s for YEARS now with no issues.
OH yay... a police chief who makes his decisions based on internet videos...
Great... so is it the fault of the ammo, or the pistol???? make up your mind and THEN file your suit... |
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The ammo manufacturer admitted it was their faulty and they supplied faulty ammunition. www.theledger.com/article/20080314/NEWS/803140389/1134 |
Why am I not surprised people are to daft to read before they post. Speers defective ammunition (that they recalled. The PD did not send it all back but kept using some of it for training even though they new Speer recalled it) caused the KB. |
And it wasn't even a .40... 
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I've been shooting .40 and 10mm Glocks for years, both with factory ammo and reloads. I've put something on the order of 15,000 rounds through my .40 and 10mm Glock pistols without a single problem. My best shooting buddy has owned, shot and reloaded for both 40 and .45 Glocks even longer than I have without a single incident . There's a guy in my local club with a Glock 22 with over 100,000 rounds down the pipe with no problems. I keep hearing opinions like yours, but have yet to see any real evidence that these Glocks are dangerous with ammo that's within factory specifications. Surely if they're as dangerous as you and others here say the evidence must be overwhelming! Please point me to it evidence that stock .40 Glocks blow up with factory ammo that's proven to be within acceptable pressure limits and the shooter didn't do anything like fire with a barrel obstruction. If they're as dangerous as you say, if I'm truly in danger of losing my fingers each time I shoot, show me the hard evidence that is a fault of the pistol and not ammo so I can contact Glock and demand my money back or a trade in for a "safer" Glock. Or maybe contact my state Attorney Generals office and join with one of the many class action lawsuits that MUST be going on if these guns are as dangerous as you say. No offense, but the time has come to put up or shut up. How about starting with some links to "the many documented cases of Glock .40's going boom, even with factory ammo". And by "documented" I want to see hard evidence that it was factory ammo, and the ammo was proven to be within SAAMI specs and there was no bore obstruction. |
Go read the thread in GD, there are a few photos of HK that have KB'd along with XD's, 1911's, revolvers etc. Shit ammo can cause a KB in any weapon. Like Dace said, God himself could post that it was ammo and some a-hole would read right over it and rag the Glock. Love my Glocks. |
If you would stop drinking the Kool-Aid for a moment and actually look around, the evidence you are seeking will fall into your lap. But since you asked, go over to tacticalforums.com and do a search for Glock .40 calibers pistols and see what you come up with. There are some of the best in the business that hang out there who depend daily on their weapon for their lives. And there is an example I read about over there myself where a police officer described a KB in his department while using factory Federal ammunition in a training session. It isn't just reloads that cause .40 caliber Glocks to blow up. It is the design of the weapon itself. Poor quality reloads no doubt make the problem worse. But there have been documented cases of KBs with these pistols uisng factory ammo as well. You don't hear many KB stories about Glock 17 and 19 models. There is a reason for that. The Glock design is capable of handling the 9mm pressure rounds without an issue. But when you combine the .40 cal cartridge, which is on the edge to begin with an unsupported chamber and the Glock's ability to fire out of battery and then you have a problem. I am not knocking the Glock line in general. So don't make the mistake of assuming I am just some Glock basher. I happen to love the Glock 17/19. There have been very few problems with those guns over the years. But there have been many, many issues with the .40 caliber pistols they produce. I'm sure there are some good examples out there that have never caused any issues. But there is an alarmingly high percentage of them that do and it is nearly always the .40 cal. Hell, do an archive check in this very forum. A few years ago I was in the same boat as you. I had trouble believing some of these stories myself. So I did a poll here in this very forum and asked people to respond as to whether or not they have every personally witnessed or personally know of a specific instance in which a Glock .40 KB'ed. I can't remember the exact details, but it was somewhere between 15-20% of respondents who said yes. And I was very careful to make sure that 2nd or 3rd hand stories weren't included. IMHO, 15-20% of people out of a sizable group saying they had experienced or know someone who experienced a KB with a Glock .40 is a far too high occurrence rate if you ask me. A failure rate that high is simply unacceptable. There is a reason why people post the image of the Glock .40 connected to a claymore clacker with the inscription: "Front Toward Enemy'. It isn't just comedy only. They are very prone to this issue. It is a real problem. It has been known for years and Glock knows it too. Yet they fail to do anything about it. That is why I will only buy Glock pistols chambered in 9mm or possibly .45 ACP. I simply don't want to take the chance with some of their models. If you do, be my guest. There is enough evidence out there to undeniably suggest there is an issue with these guns. Again, you don't have to look hard to find it. But I will provide you with one quick link a search over on that forum revealed. It was actually contained different incidents than the one I mentioned earlier. It involves several very highly respected professionals, including Dr. Gary Roberts and two certified Glock armorers, one of which had 25 years experience at the time of the post, as well as several cops who were present when Glocks blowed up using factory fresh ammunition. www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bin/tacticalubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001138#000000 That is merely one thread of many you will find there if you take the time to search. And that one thread alone lists several instances in which Glocks went "BOOM" with factory ammo. The armorers take the time to explain why this happens with Glock .40's so often but rarely with Glock 9mm's. It is an informative an eye opening read. Again, I don't merely post stuff with the intention of seeing my text appear on the screen. I always try to speak the truth and I don't post anything unless I am reasonably sure the content is accurate. I have seen and heard enough incidents associated with Glock .40 pistols and read too many other opinions by professionals with the credentials to know such matters to convince me that there is an inherit design flaw in the Glock .40 pistols, as well as some of the other calibers. In short, the Glock 17 is a near perfect combat pistol. But to accomodate the .40 caliber round, the pistol needs to be beefed up beyond Glock 17 standards. So far, Glock has failed to do that. And the problems continue. |
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I don't think it is the "plastic" frame that causes KBs. One of my local LE agencies had one two months ago while shooting qualifications. When The G22 KBed, it blew the trigger out of the trigger guard, blew the mag out, cracked the frame from the slide stop to the mag release button. My guess is a hot round failed around that "unsupported" part of the chamber and the rest is history. Should the round be supported more? I think yes. Is this a weakness in the weapon system? Yes. One hot round shouldn't be able to destroy a weapon system this easily! I got a hot load in XD45 the other day and I knew it right away. Loud bang, stiff recoil, but nothing exploded, cracked, bulged, or was in any other way damaged. God I love my XD. 9mm Glock is the only Glock I would own if I owned one (which I don't). |
| I had a kb in a Glock 23. But I still have complete confidence in Glock. I was shooting a reload that separated the case head, blew the magazine out of the magwell, blew the extractor out of the side of the frame, and scared the living shit out of me. After I got up the nerve to look at my hand and confirm all the pieces were still there (which they were), I found the extractor and put it back in the gun. Then I put the magazine back together. I could not find any real damage to the gun. I've fired over a thousand rounds since then and had no problems. My guess was either a weak case, or a double charge, which given that I was using Clays, is a dangerous possiblity. I still believe that the .40 Glock is fine with the right ammo. |
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