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2/12/2008 1:21:53 PM EDT
I know this was a big flop for Colt, but I am thinking of adding one to the collection as something differant. Not a carry gun or home defense firearm. Just something to use at the range from time to time and for an example in my collection.

Any thoughts and/or experience with one of these ? Opinions of it for the role I describe ? Reasonable price for used / new ?
TIA
2/12/2008 1:26:00 PM EDT
[#1]
I remember handling a couple of new specimens a little while back.  The triggers on both the metal and the polymer versions.  Other than that I don't know much about them.
2/12/2008 3:16:34 PM EDT
[#2]
Never actually shot one, but my understanding is that they aren’t very accurate.  Thus I wouldn’t think it would be a fun pistol to shoot.

I did handle one once.  It felt rather strange, probably due to its largish size and small grip.  I have a vague recollection of the bore axis seeming a bit high.

The trigger pull was also strange feeling – sort of a long, even, neutral DA pull.  I think I might have grown to like it after a little practice.

They are starting to get some collector status.

I recall recently seeing one at a local gun show for maybe $600 or so, but I didn’t notice its condition or whether or not it had a box.

You might want to start checking gunbroker and auctionarms occasionally for listings to get some idea of going prices.
2/12/2008 3:24:06 PM EDT
[#3]
I owned one of these back in the early 1990s. The trigger does take some getting used to. It moves back and forth, rater than pivoting like most DAs. It was impossible to find a holster to fit it due to the odd trigger guard shape. I also remember it being a pain in the ass to reassemble.

I would love to get my hands on one again. Colt also made a compact conversion kit that consisted of a 4.25" barrel and shorter bushing.
2/12/2008 3:34:40 PM EDT
[#4]
My father in law has one, and I shot it about 2 weeks ago. For starters, it is perhaps the best looking polymer framed pistol I've ever held. It was a beauty. But it sucked at everything else. The trigger pull weight was adequate, but you had to pull back a country mile. I think the trigger was the reason I couldn't hit shit with it. And when we took it apart, it looked to me like Rube Goldberg designed the thing.

But it was damn good looking...

ETA:Airborne!
2/12/2008 4:40:47 PM EDT
[#5]

it looked to me like Rube Goldberg designed the thing.


Interesting. If Wikipedia can be trusted then Eugene Stoner actually helped design it...
2/12/2008 4:44:06 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

it looked to me like Rube Goldberg designed the thing.


Interesting. If Wikipedia can be trusted then Eugene Stoner actually helped design it...


Really, I thought Mister Knight was the guy behind it.

I hope my use of hyperbole wasn't over the top, it's just the way I type. And it looked over-complicated.

ETA: His had been recalled and repaired by Colt.
2/12/2008 4:47:15 PM EDT
[#7]
Nothing like a rotating bold handgun.

If you want to collect one then buy the alloy framed one and find the one that came with 2 different length slides. [uppers]
2/13/2008 2:54:39 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:

it looked to me like Rube Goldberg designed the thing.


Interesting. If Wikipedia can be trusted then Eugene Stoner actually helped design it...


Really, I thought Mister Knight was the guy behind it.

I hope my use of hyperbole wasn't over the top, it's just the way I type. And it looked over-complicated.

ETA: His had been recalled and repaired by Colt.


According to Wiki it was Knight and Stoner. I really don't know anything about it though, I'm just regurgitating what I read....
2/13/2008 5:53:07 AM EDT
[#9]
These are occasionally seen at shows or shops here, and you can almost hear the seller hoping they become collectible.  I've never seen one priced over $500, and I've never seen one change hands.
2/13/2008 9:48:59 AM EDT
[#10]
Both Stoner and Knight hold patents for the pistol's design.  Supposedly, the original KAC-built prototypes were much better.  Knight got to loot Colt's reference collection of rifles and MGs in trade for Colt receiving production rights to the pistol.
2/13/2008 12:25:46 PM EDT
[#11]
Due to low production, the All American 2000 is getting collector interest.
The most collectible would be an aluminum frame version.

The gun was a disaster for Colt, due to inaccuracy and unreliable operation, both of which Colt was unable to correct.
After Colt discontinued it, they dumped the remaining stock to distributors, and at one point you could buy one from a distributor for as low as $200.00 or even less.
I seem to remember seeing one distributor running a close out for $179.00.

Colt returned the production dies and jigs to Knight, where the design died.
2/14/2008 9:28:05 PM EDT
[#12]
Knight's original hand-made prototype was supposedly a nicely done pistol, but Colt changed it a bit in production versions, and one additional problem was that Colt outsourced 90% of the parts on the gun, which led to a lack of QC.
Denis