Posted: 1/12/2008 1:29:46 PM EDT
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Hey everyone! I dont like keeping any of my high dollar pistols in my truck for a long period of time. So what does everyone use and keep in their vehicles? |
I never leave home with out it................................  NEVER-EVER, it cost too much to leave sitting in a safe.  
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- If you keep a gun in the car you want it to be cheap so that Obviously, you are better off keeping your money and carrying your CCW on you where it will actually make a difference if/when in need. Nobody "forgets" their CCW. Those who leave home without it are too damn lazy or complacent, and don't get any sympathy from me if they make the papers for their negligence. The odds are a vehicle gun will be as handy to you as the gun you left at home in the nighstand/safe. Your CCW is a different matter. - If you cannot CCW and want SOMETHING in the unlikely event you can get to your vehicle and make a difference in time with a firearm (or you are too thick upstairs to apply the CCW logic) it had better be a longarm. It's one thing to think twice about CCW a 7.5" AR pistol/SBR/AOW due to concealability and carry reasons. But when you throw those two out of the mix the answer is ALWAYS longarm. So in conclusion... the smartest thing to do is leave the car empty (other than optional spare ammo) and keep the weapon(s) on you... always. The next best thing is to have a good, reliable longarm securely locked and frequently maintained in the vehicle. |
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In addition to whatever I am carrying CCW that day, I also have a Glock 22 in a kydex holster bolted inside my console, with a spare mag / carrier and paddle holster in the console too. If I am going to be away from the truck for any length of time, there is a steel lock box cabled to the seat frame that it gets locked in while I am away. Not completely theft proof, but then chances of anyone breaking into my beat to shit old Ford Bronco is pretty slim. It looks rough on the outside, not a ton better on the inside, has the factory AM/FM radio and I don't advertise anything on the outside as far as stickers or anything like that. As soon as I can get some sort of locking box made for the back, there will be a Shorty AR stashed there too. |
+1 add in 2 tow straps, a bungie pull strap, space blankets, a spetznaz shovel, glock knife, 2 flashlights (one LED headlamp, one handheld LED), assorted tools (cresent wrench, leatherman, etc), and other random crap for me  NO guns unless i'm going out of town remain in my vehicles |
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IMO, leaving guns in vehicles is highly irresponsible. Where do you think criminals get their guns from?? Less criminals with guns = less gun grabbers screaming "someone think of the children!" and calling for additional gun legislation. Of course there are exceptions, but generally speaking I believe this to be the case. 
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+1 Seen it with my own eyes. Gun theives getting their guns from autos or trucks. I never leave one in the car least it probably be used on me. |
Criminals are irresponsible for stealing guns. The gun owners are the victims. The "she was asking for it" defense doesn't work well in rape cases either. |
I had some doped up illegal try to get in my truck while I was stopped at a light the other day. I was really pissed that I had a G30 in my console that my hand lays on while driving. I probably would have been happier if it was a Jennings .25 with 20 year old ammo.
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I'm not talking about responsibility in the court of law so your analogy isn't very relevant. Now if i may twist your analogy a little bit... If your wife was raped while she was walking down a dark alley in the shittiest part of town at 2AM, wearing only a bikini, would you still place the blame solely on the shitbag who raped her? Of course not, you'd most likely partially blame her (in your mind at least) for doing something so stupid, even though she was the victim. Just because someone is the "victim" in the eyes of the law does not mean they aren't culpable on some level for what occured. I'm just saying, leaving guns where they are easily stolen isn't doing anyone any favors. It ain't gonna be Grandma that pops your window and steals the gun from under your seat on her way to church, it's gonna be a criminal who just might graduate from burglary to armed robbery or maybe even murder thanks to your generosity. According to the FBI there were approximately 1,200,000 cars stolen in 2006 in the U.S. That's stolen cars, imagine how many more were broken into! If you haven't had a car broken into or stolen yet, just give it time because chances are you will at some point. www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/offenses/property_crime/motor_vehicle_theft.html Now if you couldn't already tell how passionate I am about this topic I'll leave you with my top 5 reasons I don't leave guns in my car. 1) I could lose a gun! It would be easier to swallow losing a gun in a boating accident or something ( ). It would down right piss me the fuck off if I knew there was some punk ass mf'er out there somewhere with my gun tucked into the wasteband of his baggy pants.2) If I come back to my car during the break in I just might get shot with my own gun. 3) The gun could be used in a crime that I would feel partially responsible for. Maybe not criminally or civily liable, but I wouldn't take much pride in the fact that I armed a criminal. 4) There is a possibility that I could find myself in a shit storm if the gun is used in a high profile crime. I don't need some punk stealing my gun and going out and committing the next Columbine with it. I'd have news trucks up and down my street with reporters trying to stick their microphones right up my ass! With enough public outcry I could find myself facing criminal and/or civil cases. 5) It's bad for the gun enthusiast community as a whole. Less armed criminals committing crimes = less heat on us law abiding gun owners. There are many people out there who hate guns and want to take them away from us. I don't want to feed their cause by arming criminals. Sorry for the long winded post. [/rant]
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Um, no, this is a moral issue, not a legal one. You are one sick individual if you assign blame to a raped woman, no matter what she is wearing or where she's walking. Apparently you DO subscribe to the "she was asking for it" line of thought. If I have a lawfully-possessed firearm and some dirtbag steals it and harms another, the fault lies squarely and COMPLETELY with the thief. Sorry, I am not morally responsible for the criminal acts of another. Your reasoning is 100% full of fail. |
Clearly you guys are Southern boys. Great list and I keep all of that but, neither one of you keeps a set of warm, dry clothes and a pair of workboots in the car?!?! What the hell? Haven't you ever heard of Snow? No full time car gun for me. Long guns are illegal to keep in a car in MI. I take my CCW with at all times. If I need to go someplace where it's not permitted it goes in a lock box in the vehicle but I don't leave anythog there full time. |
I didn't bring up the rape analogy (which was a shitty analogy IMO) and I never said there was any justification for a criminal's actions. So if you bought your kid a $1,000 laptop for school you wouldn't blame him at all if he left it in the library for 2 hours unattended while he went to gym class and it got stolen? It was solely the criminals fault, right?? Yeah, right... you'd kick your kid's ass (figuratively of course) for doing something so stupid. How about you ask me to hold your wallet while you ride the tea cups at 6 flags and I leave your wallet unattended on a picnic table while I go on a different ride. Not my fault if it gets stolen... right?? I'm sure you wouldn't be pissed at me at all... right? After all it wasn't my fault. No offense SGB because I really respect your opinion on a lot of things, but to me you sound kind of like a spaced out liberal living in fantasy land on this issue. In an ideal world what you said makes sense, in reality... not so much.  "If it wasn't for dickheads like you, there wouldn't be any thievery in this world, would there Pvt. Pyle?" Don't leave your footlocker unlocked otherwise Sgt. Hartman is gonna find your jelly donut!
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+1 In my state we can't have CCW. So if I throw a rifle in my trunk, it does me no good if I'm being carjacked or something weird like that. I have pistols in every one of my cars where I can get them into action pretty quickly while driving. I have no clue why anyone would think that is dumb. I've been on the highway with some pretty loopy people before and was comforted to know I was armed. Another person I know was actually shot at by another car driving on the freeway and at that time was not armed. Another member here was almost carjacked but had his pistol in his car and drew down on the BG with a laser and they sceedaddled. I think it was Rhyno the Whyno. If you all could come change my laws, I would be forever grateful. |
Isn't that considered carrying a concealed weapon to have a loaded pistol inside your vehicle where it is accessable to the occupants? I know it is in Michigan and is a felony without a CPL. I carry at least one pistol in my vehicle everytime I go anywhere. I just don't leave them in there unattended waiting to get stolen.
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Now you're speaking my language. Must be nice in the sandal zone. |
+1 IME (your state laws may vary), states that don't allow CCW sure as hell don't allow transport of a loaded firearm in the passenger compartment of the vehicle. Generally you must lock it in a box unloaded, often seperate from the ammunition. If you live in a state that prohibits CCW but allows you to carry a loaded firearm in your car I would love to hear about it. If not, I don't understand the impetus of half-breaking the law... ETA: Not to single you out JJREA, but hypothetically, if you were engaging in that practice, you would be breaking the law, unless you locked it unloaded in a box. This could happen legally, but if one is actually adhering to this law, there is no way to rely on this for a surprise threat. You are still better off with a longarm IMO Click "WI" for Wisconsin Crim Code 167.31. It's the first line on the page. |
In IL, it is considered unloaded if the magazine is full but not in the weapon. Therefore, a Glock 21, in it's factory case, with three loaded mags, in the passenger compartment would be legal.There is no requirment for it to be locked. It's not the best, but it sure beats leaving it in the safe at home. I would rather be 30 seconds from a loaded gun than 30 minutes. |
Where in this scenario is the property in question in the open unattended?!? We're talking about a gun in a LOCKED vehicle. Are you going to beat your kid when he leaves his laptop in his LOCKED locker at school and some kid tears the lock up and steals it? You can set up a straw man all you want, but we were originally talking about somebody forcibly breaking into your property and stealing from you. The closest analogy I can think of is somebody breaking into your house and stealing a gun from your nightstand. Your fault then? I'm for holding the criminal responsible for the criminal act, not the victim, and you think I am the one acting like a liberal? You're nuts. |
You both make too much sense for me to choose a side
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First of all I said "figuratively" not literally for the ass kicking part about the kid. I certainly don't endorse beating your kids so please don't twist what I say. Second, I don't leave guns in my night stand or anywhere in my house where they aren't relatively secure. I don't want to come home during a B&E and get ambushed with my own guns. I have a large gun safe for unloaded weapons and a "finger" safe in my dresser. I used to keep loaded weapons stashed all around the house, but I've come to realize (IMO at least) that it isn't a good idea for a variety of reasons. For your info LOCKED cars are hardly secure. We're talking about 1/4" of glass. My car was broken into a couple of years ago. It was a couple of kids who picked up a rock and threw it through the window. It was captured by a security camera and it appeared to be completely spontanious and I actually caught them in the act. It took about 2 seconds for them to gain entry to the car. It might as well have been unlocked, it would have saved me the hassle of cleaning up the mess and getting it repaired. Had there been a gun in the car it could have been much worse; I could have either gotten shot with my own gun or had to shoot a "kid" with my gun in his hand if he foolishly pointed it in my direction. LOL, where did I say criminals shouldn't be held responsible and victims should be?? I think you are the one who is nuts if that's what you got from my previous posts!
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Yes, that's what I do. Unloaded in the carrying case with loaded mags in the case. I even keep an unloaded mag in the gun. Pull it out rack the slide and it stays back, drop empty mag, insert loaded mag. Takes all of 15 seconds or less. Much better than leaving it at home if I need it and faster than trying to get a rifle in the trunk. In my original post I can "get them into action pretty quick". This is what I meant and from what I can tell is in complete compliance with the law. Unloaded in a carrying case is what my hunting manual says. Now I've heard all kinds of speculation as to where in the car it should be but this is my interpretation and others too. And furthermore we have case law where people have been arrested for actually having a concealed weapon but won their case because the judge found them not guilty of a crime even when defending themselves against attackers. One such person defended himself and fired his weapon and shot attackers on at least 2 different occaisions and was found not guilty. Our state is so F-d up about this issue. One thing is for sure, I gotta get an out of state CCW for when I travel, but for now, this is the way I do it. |
This is what I do, but be forwarned, alot of cops in IL aren't aware that "unloaded and encased" is the letter of the law. A lot of them still subscribe to the "locked, in a trunk, ammo seperate from mags" even though the law says otherwise. Ask me how I know  Either way, I still do this depending on where I am going and what I am doing. |
I think you are wrong in making this assumption: he's not saying that its her fault for being raped, he is just saying that it is not as surprising that it happened since necessary caution wasn't taken. A better less emotionally charged example (since rape is such a serious topic an it immediately gets people angry) is as follows: Lets say I walked through a busy subway station with a $100 bill taped to the outside of my backpack. I get to where i'm going and lo and behold...my $100 bill is gone. Who's fault is it? Essentially its the dirt bag's who stole its fault. However, I am very foolish for not carrying it in an secure manner. Ideally I should be able to do so but I cannot ignore reality and expect to come out unharmed. Thats the point the poster is trying to make, not that women deserve to be raped. |
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When I get around to setting the holsters up I've got a Beretta M9 that's going to live in one truck and a Baby Eagle to live in the other. It's part of a new approach I'm taking to CCW. At the moment I have a full sized pistol I CCW everywhere, which isn't entirely practical when I'm visiting relatives four blocks away or running down the street to buy a loaf of bread. So the new approach for the "around town" stuff is to carry a pocket pistol and have a service pistol in the vehicle. It makes for quicker access when in the vehicle opposed to my holstered CCW piece anyways, and when I travel to the city with my full sized CCW I've got a pair of fighting pistols. |
This looks like a fake Hartmann to me. 
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Snow? I was born and raised in Miami. I live in Miami right now and I'm moving to Brevard County pretty soon. Snow is about as real to me as the tooth fairy and the The Lost Continent of Atlantis. It's a myth our parents tell us about to keep us happy during a 98F Christmas. Santa is real.... snow is fake. As for a firearm in my truck. Nope.... as for a firearm in my patrol car. Yup... Remington 870 and a Colt AR-15A3. But that's only when I'm working. When i get home they come out and go into the safe. I always carry a firearm on me 24/7/365 PERIOD! |