Posted: 4/2/2007 8:00:38 PM EDT
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I sold my S&W revolver on this site (THANX!) and I think FedEx is the only available shipping option for handguns from individuals to FFL's. Is this correct? Thanks, H. |
Whoever told you that is wrong. Go look at the UPS Tariff, Terms, and Conditions on their website. It clearly states that UPS will accept shipment of firearms from and to anyone not prohibited by law from shipping and receiving firearms. That includes non dealers. The default answer of people who do not know what they are talking about but think they do is NO. Do a search. That subject was discussed right here less than a month ago. |
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This was discussed at some length in the past couple of days, and of course, I was dead wrong. What I now believe to be the "law" is that either FedEx or UPS will ship handguns, but you have to use Next Day Air with either service, AND you must ship from one of their major depots--No Kinkos, drop boxes, UPS Stores, etc. I believe you must also be shipping to a manufacturer or manufacturers authorized repair facility who holds an FFL. You can also ship USPS provided you complete a form available at the Post Office or on their web site. I believe, as with the common carriers, you must be shipping to a mfg or his rep. Thats probably cheaper, but sounds like a huge project that would take a couple of hours around here. The provider of the above info quoted chapter and verse from the appropriate federal regulations and there was no ambiquity in the language. |
AGNTSA........
www.ups.com/media/en/terms_service_12012007.pdf |
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This is from UPS regarding my inquiry: Dear Hunter, Thank you for your inquiry. UPS will only accept handguns for shipment (from and to authorized legal parties) via UPS Next Day Air services (Early A.M., Next Day Air, or Next Day Air Saver). Handgun shipments are only accepted from Licensed Collectors, Gun Manufacturers, Licensed Gun Dealers, or individuals shipping to a Gun Manufacturer for sole purpose of repair or customizing through one of the following methods: Daily Pickup Account UPS Customer Centers Please contact us if you need any additional assistance. Scott Hook UPS Customer Service |
Of course there's no law that says you have to tell them what's in the box either. 
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Since the Tariff and Terms of Service is the legally binding document, it overrides what some phone bank operator says to you. |
Uh, actually there IS a law about disclosing that a package contains a firearm. |
Not for me, I'm not a dealer. 
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Please cite it. EDIT: Found it - 922(e) (e) It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce, to persons other than licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped; except that any passenger who owns or legally possesses a firearm or ammunition being transported aboard any common or contract carrier for movement with the passenger in interstate or foreign commerce may deliver said firearm or ammunition into the custody of the pilot, captain, conductor or operator of such common or contract carrier for the duration of the trip without violating any of the provisions of this chapter. No common or contract carrier shall require or cause any label, tag, or other written notice to be placed on the outside of any package, luggage, or other container that such package, luggage, or other container contains a firearm. |
Exactly. If you're shipping to anyone on the above list you are not required, by this law, to disclose the contents. |
So to ship a handgun, all I have to do is box it up and send it "next day" to a FFL ? insured of course. No telling UPS or FedEx its a gun or anything like that ? wg |
That isn't how I read it. |
There is no law requiring "next day". This is UPS covering their ass because of employee theft. They also charge almost twice as much to ship this way too ($30.+). Start a UPS account, print your own label, insure it for whatever amount you want, drop it off at your local UPS shipping point or hand it over to the driver without a lot of conversation (there's really nobody to even ask what's in the box doing it this way). Use a big box (18"X18" is the smallest I would use for a handgun) and don't use a known firearms manufacturer name to ship to (most use clean names today anyways). |
I'm no lawyer so maybe I'm missing something. To me it says that if you are shipping a package, using a common carrier, you must notify them it contains a gun if the package is being shipped to anyone other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector. If I'm in error can you point out where? It's not my intention to break the law. |
I got stung for 52.00 to ship an M92 overnight from PA to MI. I asked about the increase and the clerk said it was recent and due to fuel costs. At these prices I will be doing more FTF. |
I agree that law is not requiring the average schmuck like you and me to declare that handgun when shipped through a common carrier. Some of the reasons: I am not engaging in foreign or interstate commerce if I sell one or two handguns, the definition of commerce is trading or selling in mass quantities. I am shipping the gun to a licensed dealer in another state, that reference states "to persons other than licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors". That means if I was shipping to someone other than "one of these people" I would have to declare it. Common carriers don't require written notice, because they know that law doesn't apply to me. Otherwise, their website would say "require written notice" instead of declaring it at the counter |
If you have sold a handgun to someone from out of your state, you should only be shipping it to his or her FFL anyway. Therefore, the paragraph doesn't apply to you, because you ARE shipping it to "licensed dealer", as opposed to "pesons other than". And like I stated before, the paragraph doesn't apply anyway, because you are not engaging in interstate or foreign commerce. Fact of the matter is, there is no law stating you have to declare a firearm to UPS, Fedex, or DHL. It is their policy, and the most they could do is refuse to ship because you are not following their terms, provided they found out it was a handgun. |