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2/18/2007 9:33:54 PM EDT
After unpackaging some WWB .45ACP I noticed that 2 rounds had the bullet set back in the case.  It's enough to clearly see it when compared to the other rounds.  There was no damage to the box or visible damage to the rounds.

Is this bad?  Could it hurt the handgun (or the shooter)?  I could get rid of these 2 rounds, my main concern is the other ones that I might not notice.

Thanks.
2/19/2007 4:59:16 AM EDT
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After unpackaging some WWB .45ACP I noticed that 2 rounds had the bullet set back in the case.  It's enough to clearly see it when compared to the other rounds.  There was no damage to the box or visible damage to the rounds.

Is this bad?  Could it hurt the handgun (or the shooter)?  I could get rid of these 2 rounds, my main concern is the other ones that I might not notice.

Thanks.


It increases velocity. I push all my bullits in that way. I'ts cheaper than buying cor-bon.
Can members of this forum be sued.
2/19/2007 5:35:18 AM EDT
[#2]

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After unpackaging some WWB .45ACP I noticed that 2 rounds had the bullet set back in the case.  It's enough to clearly see it when compared to the other rounds.  There was no damage to the box or visible damage to the rounds.

Is this bad?  Could it hurt the handgun (or the shooter)?  I could get rid of these 2 rounds, my main concern is the other ones that I might not notice.

Thanks.


It increases velocity. I push all my bullits in that way. I'ts cheaper than buying cor-bon.
Can members of this forum be sued.


Hope not for your sake...
2/19/2007 5:38:32 AM EDT
[#3]
???
2/19/2007 5:39:54 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
After unpackaging some WWB .45ACP I noticed that 2 rounds had the bullet set back in the case.  It's enough to clearly see it when compared to the other rounds.  There was no damage to the box or visible damage to the rounds.

Is this bad?  Could it hurt the handgun (or the shooter)?  I could get rid of these 2 rounds, my main concern is the other ones that I might not notice.

Thanks.


If they're not pushed back much, probably nothing would happen, but just toss them to be on the safe side. When the bullets are pushed back into the cases like that, it creates higher pressure.
Chances are you and the pistol would be fine, but why take the chance for the price of two .45ACP rounds?
2/19/2007 5:47:43 AM EDT
[#5]

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Quoted:
After unpackaging some WWB .45ACP I noticed that 2 rounds had the bullet set back in the case.  It's enough to clearly see it when compared to the other rounds.  There was no damage to the box or visible damage to the rounds.

Is this bad?  Could it hurt the handgun (or the shooter)?  I could get rid of these 2 rounds, my main concern is the other ones that I might not notice.

Thanks.


If they're not pushed back much, probably nothing would happen, but just toss them to be on the safe side. When the bullets are pushed back into the cases like that, it creates higher pressure.
Chances are you and the pistol would be fine, but why take the chance for the price of two .45ACP rounds?
As I mentioned, it's not the 2 rounds I care about, it's all the rest that I might not notice.  I have 3,200 rouns of WWB .45ACP, I don't want to have to check every one of them if it's not going to hurt.
2/19/2007 5:50:46 AM EDT
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After unpackaging some WWB .45ACP I noticed that 2 rounds had the bullet set back in the case.  It's enough to clearly see it when compared to the other rounds.  There was no damage to the box or visible damage to the rounds.

Is this bad?  Could it hurt the handgun (or the shooter)?  I could get rid of these 2 rounds, my main concern is the other ones that I might not notice.

Thanks.


If they're not pushed back much, probably nothing would happen, but just toss them to be on the safe side. When the bullets are pushed back into the cases like that, it creates higher pressure.
Chances are you and the pistol would be fine, but why take the chance for the price of two .45ACP rounds?
As I mentioned, it's not the 2 rounds I care about, it's all the rest that I might not notice.  I have 3,200 rouns of WWB .45ACP, I don't want to have to check every one of them if it's not going to hurt.


you'll be fine.  shoot em.
2/19/2007 5:51:23 AM EDT
[#7]
Why would you check every single one?  If it's exaggerated, you'll notice when you're loading the mag.
2/19/2007 5:51:37 AM EDT
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Why would you check every single one?  
I don't know, that's why I was asking here.

If it's exaggerated, you'll notice when you're loading the mag.
 I would have never noticed these 2 if I didn't stand them all up next to each other. *


*I loaded them into one of those plastic boxes that reloaders always use.


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After unpackaging some WWB .45ACP I noticed that 2 rounds had the bullet set back in the case.  It's enough to clearly see it when compared to the other rounds.  There was no damage to the box or visible damage to the rounds.

Is this bad?  Could it hurt the handgun (or the shooter)?  I could get rid of these 2 rounds, my main concern is the other ones that I might not notice.

Thanks.


If they're not pushed back much, probably nothing would happen, but just toss them to be on the safe side. When the bullets are pushed back into the cases like that, it creates higher pressure.
Chances are you and the pistol would be fine, but why take the chance for the price of two .45ACP rounds?
As I mentioned, it's not the 2 rounds I care about, it's all the rest that I might not notice.  I have 3,200 rouns of WWB .45ACP, I don't want to have to check every one of them if it's not going to hurt.


you'll be fine.  shoot em.



Sounds good, thanks guys!
2/19/2007 7:02:49 AM EDT
[#9]
Without knowing exactly how much their set back it's hard to say. 4 to 5 thousandths is no big deal and is common with any ammo. 12 to 20 thousandths and pressures increase dramatically with factory loaded ammo.
If your unsure... Toss them.
2/19/2007 7:35:19 AM EDT
[#10]
My micrometer only goes to an inch so I can't measure them.  I figured I would take a picture, while I was doing that I noticed 2 more that were recessed.

As you could probably tell, the 2 outside rounds are normal while the 4 inner rounds are recessed:
2/19/2007 11:38:14 AM EDT
[#11]
Interesting.  I would send that pic to Winchester and see what they say.  Doesn't look normal to me.
2/19/2007 11:42:02 AM EDT
[#12]
It's hard to tell from the pic but they look like their set back a good bit. More than I would care to chance.

Any chance of taking them back to where you bought them? If not, I would probably contact Winchester with the Lot #'s.
2/19/2007 12:42:51 PM EDT
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It's hard to tell from the pic but they look like their set back a good bit. More than I would care to chance.

Any chance of taking them back to where you bought them? If not, I would probably contact Winchester with the Lot #'s.
Those were purchased many months ago from an out of state Walmart.

I thru all the boxes away so I am not sure of the lot numbers.
2/19/2007 4:09:52 PM EDT
[#14]
Those would be apparent to me upon loading a mag.  I suggest paying attention while you're at the range.  Good luck.  And as the others have said, no sense in chancing it over a few rounds of .45
2/19/2007 4:21:07 PM EDT
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Those would be apparent to me upon loading a mag.
You're my hero.

 I suggest paying attention while you're at the range.
I'll be sure to measure each one since my senses aren't on par with yours.
2/19/2007 4:25:39 PM EDT
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Removed - Check your IM ~ 82nd
2/19/2007 4:32:58 PM EDT
[#17]
Don't let AR-USP (my troll account) bother you, he doesn't know any better.
2/19/2007 4:38:28 PM EDT
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Removed - Check your IM ~ 82nd
2/19/2007 4:58:59 PM EDT
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Those would be apparent to me upon loading a mag.
You're my hero.
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 I suggest paying attention while you're at the range.
I'll be sure to measure each one since my senses aren't on par with yours.


You're sensitive like my girlfriend.  I wasn't trying to be a smartass, I was offering a genuine opinion.
2/19/2007 4:59:42 PM EDT
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Those would be apparent to me upon loading a mag.
You're my hero.

 I suggest paying attention while you're at the range.
I'll be sure to measure each one since my senses aren't on par with yours.


You're sensitive like my girlfriend.  I wasn't trying to be a smartass, I was offering a genuine opinion.
I'm only sensitive a few days out of the month, deal with it.
2/20/2007 1:55:51 PM EDT
[#21]
if those are like that fresh out of the box, they may get worse upon chambering.  are the bullets able to be pushed into the case easily or were they just seated deep.  id be pissed, and thats why i only shoot ammo i load.
2/20/2007 2:12:19 PM EDT
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if those are like that fresh out of the box, they may get worse upon chambering.  are the bullets able to be pushed into the case easily or were they just seated deep.  id be pissed, and thats why i only shoot ammo i load.
Trust me, ammo I load would look twice as bad.
2/20/2007 2:21:03 PM EDT
[#23]
Volume in the case is reduced when the bullet is set back further in the case. The smaller the volume with X amount of ABC gun powder, the higher the pressure.
As was mentioned, the rounds could be set back further in the case after feeding into the chamber.
I'd say the ammo is suspect and not to be used. Many KBs in handguns come from a slide hanging up, the shooter rapping it closed, forcing the bullet back into the chamber, then being shot.
Check each and every round of that ammo. You are likely to have at least a 4% chance (2 out of 50) of problems with the ammo.
What I am saying is - DON'T SHOOT THE ROUND IF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IT!
I'm not talking out of my ass on this - I've seen KBs on handguns with the bullet being pushed back into the case.
2/20/2007 9:13:35 PM EDT
[#24]
I have seen these topics before and have always been told NOT to shoot them
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