Posted: 3/7/2003 12:23:45 PM EDT
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I am looking for a CCW pistol for my wife in 9mm. Anyone have experience with these? How is their reputation as far as build quality? The trigger seems faily heavy, but the grip is comfortable. |
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Some earlier Milleniums in .45 were cracking frames after a while, but I haven't heard anything negative about the 9MMs. I wouldn't call them a POS, and they do have a lifetime warranty in the event something does go wrong. A friend's .45 Millenium I fired was quite accurate and reliable, we just had to make sure not to install the recoil spring backwards as it locked it up. I'm not sure if the 9MM would do the same thing. Yes, the trigger is heavy as it is double action only, which I think would be a bit harder for her to master. |
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I have a Millenium in 9mm. I posted previously in the Taurus section. Mine jammed a couple of times and I thought it was because I had mistakenly loaded 40 S&Ws instead of the 9mm's since I use the Glock loader with the 9mm mags. But after tring to put the 40 S&W in the chamber, and seeing it didn't fit...I am assuming I loaded 9mms and thought the jam was because of the ammo. It probably still was an ammo problem, because I have since shot 500 rounds and nothing of consequence..all went smoothly. The gun is super small, easily concealed alittle heavy, but with practice and not yanking on it, you get used to the feel of it. I did have a problem as I noted in the Taurus section with reassembling it, but with the suggestions others made that has been eliminated. All in all it is not a bad little gun, for the money...certainly better than a 22 or25 or even the 32's. The advice, that your wife should shoot one first is sound. Hope this helps. Ruger480Cal (Mike) |
| My sister has one as a CCW piece,She bought it because of the price.She wasn't willing to spend the money for Glock perfection.I researched and shot them when I was looking for a small concealable 9mm.The gun felt good ,was reliable and accurate but I didn't like the VERY heavy long trigger pull.For the money it's one of the best deals out there.BTW I went ahead and spent the money and got Glock perfection and never looked back. |
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I've got a Taurus PT-111 9mm, which is just like a Millenium, except for the titianium slide. It's a awesome little pistol. I think Taurus should make a full-sized auto like the PT-111. I've had no problems with the gun at all. I've just used good, clean ammo. Winchester FMJ practice ammo, Glazer Blue carry ammo. No failures to feed or fire. At least 500 rounds through her. |
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I only once handled a Millenium 9mm. Compared to the Kel-Tec P11 that I had at the time, it was a little fatter, a little less comfy, and the trigger felt nasty. The Kel-Tec's trigger was probably the same weight, but the Taurus's trigger was very rough. The P11 can also take S&W 59 and 69 hi-caps, and should be at least $50 cheaper. |
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Thanks guys. I did an internet search, and there were some sites that reported problems with the Millenium. Hopefully they were just teething problems that have since been resolved. It sounds like Valkyre, Nightfall, anothergene, Dadburn and RugerCal480 have had pretty good luck with them. W-W - That 38 was the last handgun I bought for her. Nice little piece, but she can't shoot it accurately and it hurts her hand. It is going to get traded in on the new pistol. I really want to have something that she enjoys shooting, so maybe she can get more practice. Dadburn - She does not really like Glocks, I think mostly because of the grip. Hell, I carry one and I don't really like them either. She also dislikes the Beretta 9000 because of its size. I'd like her to look at the SIG 239, but no one in town stocks them. It is probably too big anyway. KODoc and mr_camera_man - We are thinking about the Kahr and Kel-Tec too. She likes the Kahr, but not as much (I think) as the Millenium. A local shop is going to be getting a Kel-Tec P11 in a couple days, so we will be able to look at that one soon. I agree that the Millenium trigger is long and rough; that is a big part of the reason I was hoping to find a SIG 239 for her to look at. Thanks again for the input. |
| Total POS IMHO. Easy to disassemble, hard as hell to reassemble, not very accurate, mor kick than a G26, and that damn slide key lock just ain't for me. Pistols are made for when your locks fail, not the other way around. Hey that sounds pretty cool, has anyone ever said that before. Buy her a Glock or something else, just stay away from that Taurus. Also, if you ever but a Taurus then you had better really want it cause it ain't got no resale value. |
| The last 7 words of your post probably sum it up uncleSAM. It tell one of the general opinion of the piece, as with anything else. I agonized back and forth between the Millenium P145 and a S&W CS45. Some on here, in response to a similar question of mine, told me of problems and breakage. After looking at them many times, and that lousy trigger on the Millennium, I bought the Smith. The Taurus might have been a bit handier in terms of size, but the Smith goes just fine in my pocket. Glad I did. |
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Taurus Revolvers - OK. Taurus Steel frame pistols: Ok Taurus polymer pistols: No. Search thefiringline.com for archives of millenium series problems. Combine it with a trigger pull that can be compared to pulling a 100 lb anchor over a gravel road. They're a nice compact package, but the have a bad reputation. |
| The triggers aren't going to get much better on the Taurus PTxxx or the Kel Tec Pxx, because the long, hard pull is designed in as a safety factor. You have to really want to fire these. The Kel tec in particular doesn't trip the striker until the trigger is just about all the way back. These are not target pistols. If you want a light, crisp let-off, get something else. Kel Tec will adjust the pull for you to some degree, and I believe they sell different springs for that purpose, but the improvement does not change the character of the pistol, and it shouldn't. |
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mr_camera_man, I have a CS45 which I picked up for $325 new. You would think it would kick like a mule but it isn't bad. I have never had a malfi with it and I stake my life on it on ocassion. With all this said, I use a S&W Model 457 for a cold weather carry gun. Why? I like the slightly larger grip and the one extra shot. Both the CS45 and the Model 457 are very good weapons. Regards, Richard |
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The CS45 is a great pistol. I usually have it in my pocket. Nice shooter and accurate enough within reasonable expectations. You got a good deal at $325., fantastic in fact. They list for something in the mid $500's; I got one for $425., new at a show a couple months ago, and thought it a great deal, but you topped it. |
| I had a PT-111 for a couple years. I really liked it. Never had a problem with it. It was kind of a pain to put back together after cleaning, but not terrible. Shot impressive groups for it's size and heavy trigger. The .40 has had some problems so keep away from that one. In the end I traded it towards a Smith&Wesson .38 my wife wanted. |
| I own a Taurus PT140 as does my brother. Mag on mine and my brother's developed a crack on either side at the top where the sides and back meet. My brother's broke at one side of the trigger hinge/pivot. Both of these items are at Taurus now for repair under the 'lifetime warranty'. Dropped the pistol outside once (don't say it), and it landed on the butt. While I am thankful for modern safety like a firing pin block, one edge of the plastic mag bottom plate broke releasing the floor plate, spring, and rounds. Heavy trigger pull, not made for lots of range shooting, and doesn't like all ammo. Triton Starfire failed to return to battery about every third shot. A slight tap on the slide took care of it, but who needs that. Load now with Federal 135gr JHP and it has never failed. I think it is a decent, close quarter, self defense weapon for the money and trust the reliability with the Federal ammo. Carry it, like it well enough, but my brother bought a Glock and I am getting a Sig. My recommendation is to spend more money and get more weapon. |
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I would highly suggest looking at the Kahr polymer line. They do cost more but they are well worth it. I own a K40. My wife and I both love the grip... I'd say it is the best feeling grip out of the 30-odd handguns I own. The trigger is somewhat mushy but I can live with that. |
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Thanks for all the input guys. I relayed to her what you guys had to say, and she told me today that she was ready to get the Millenium. We went to the shop and ended up buying a Glock 26. Don't ask me to explain, because I do not understand it myself. But she seems pleased, and that is what matters. Thanks again. |
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Consider a Steyr S9 or S40 for $369 from CDNN. I must say, my Taurus PT 145 chokes on some caast lead SWC handloads but never on factory ammo, and I have over 1000 rounds through it with no frame cracks. The return-to-battery problem I encountered was form not tumbling the cases and letting them get dirty. I carry the Millenium for now, but the Steyr will probably win me over. By the way, the full size Steyrs are going for $299 (289 for 5 or more) at CDNN this spring. -Bill |