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5/8/2006 9:51:59 AM EDT
Well I never thought I would be looking for a .22LR automatic pistol but it seems that most of my money these days is spent on AR15 stuff.  Ammo is getting more and more expensive and I hardly shoot my other handguns because ammo isn't cheap for them either.

So, grinding my teeth, I am starting to look at .22lr handguns.

I know there is a Sig Mosquito but what else is out there?  I want something that is considered to be a really good - excellent handgun but has to be in the $300-$400 range.  Spending $400+ on a .22 just makes me cringe.

Also I like the look of the contemporary autos that look like full size autos.  I don't like the looks of the Ruger MKIII type pistols.
5/8/2006 10:07:56 AM EDT
[#1]
I have a Browning Buckmark that I love. Awesome little pistol.

The Ruger's are excellent from what I understand and are a little cheaper than the Brownings.
5/8/2006 10:20:13 AM EDT
[#2]
Never heard of those but finding them on the net, I don't like the looks of those.  If I want a gun that looks like that I will buy a Luger.

I think Kimber makes some .22LR too, but they are probably way too expensive.
5/8/2006 10:23:33 AM EDT
[#3]
I don't have anything to measure against, but I just got a ruger MkIII 22/45 target and couldn't be happier.  tough first dissasemble/dissassemble, but other than that she's great.
5/8/2006 10:26:07 AM EDT
[#4]
Got a 1911?

Marvel, among others, makes a 1911 .22LR conversion.

The Marvel is threadded for silencers and is very accurate.

Just a thought.
5/8/2006 11:31:50 AM EDT
[#5]
I have a colt lightweight commando Ed. from Colt's custom shop in .45

Wow at $300 for a conversion might as well just get a $350 complete gun.
5/8/2006 5:04:57 PM EDT
[#6]
I have a older Smith & Wesson Model 41 with the shorter barrel, which I love.
Fun to shoot and very accurate. it doesn't much like changing ammo, so I tend to run the same ammo through it all the time.

(mine was made in the early 70's)

This not mine, but it looks a lot like it.
5/8/2006 5:19:20 PM EDT
[#7]
Please search AR-15.com for discussion on the SIG Mosquito before you buy one.
5/8/2006 5:24:16 PM EDT
[#8]
I am trying to do as much searching for both the Sig and Walther.  Every time you find a Guns and Ammo type article, there are nothing but rave reviews.

When you find sites that have people calling a gun shit and others praise it, that is no help either.
5/8/2006 5:24:38 PM EDT
[#9]
Ruger Mark's are good.  I got one and like it a lot.  The only down side is that the newer models (Mark III's) have a magazine disconnect wich hamper try practice.  But not a big deal for me as I removed it when I koated it.

5/8/2006 5:25:49 PM EDT
[#10]
The P22 and Mosquito are both cheaply made toys.


Get a real .22 pistol like a Ruger or Buckmark or a .22 conversion for a regular centerfire pistol.
5/8/2006 5:32:25 PM EDT
[#11]
also my mark 111 came with a weaver mount.  haven't used it, but I think it's a great feature.
5/8/2006 5:43:01 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
The P22 and Mosquito are both cheaply made toys.


Get a real .22 pistol like a Ruger or Buckmark or a .22 conversion for a regular centerfire pistol.



Well I am looking for a toy, but a good one.  I am trying to search through the sig forum and some people have issues with some ammo and if you stick to cci mini mags then most people have no issues what so ever.  That wouldn't be a problem for me to stick to an ammo that works since it is not that expensive to shoot .22lr.

I'll keep reading.
5/8/2006 5:44:29 PM EDT
[#13]
You might want to check on the Ruger 22/45
5/8/2006 5:56:59 PM EDT
[#14]
guys guys guys, I don't want something that is like a LUGER.
I am trying to find something that resembles a regular auto as much as possible.

It seems like they make a .22 conversion for almost everything these days.
5/8/2006 5:58:16 PM EDT
[#15]
If you want a .22 that closely duplicates a "real" gun, buy a Beretta 87 (not the 87 Target).  Beautifully made, accurate, and reliable. Any Mosquito or P22 owner would feel like a real sucker if they held a polish blue 87.  This one is on Gunsamerica for $375.

5/8/2006 6:00:30 PM EDT
[#16]
Maybe you can get a .22LR conversion for your current handgun.  Various maufacturers make one for almost everything these days.
5/8/2006 6:08:13 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
I don't have anything to measure against, but I just got a ruger MkIII 22/45 target and couldn't be happier.  tough first dissasemble/dissassemble, but other than that she's great.


I too have one and it has been nothing but exceptional. Also have a .22 conversion for a glock that is very good too.
5/8/2006 6:08:51 PM EDT
[#18]
I see beretta makes one as well and might work nicely in my 96 Centurian.  $300 off gunbroker
5/8/2006 6:15:03 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
If you want a .22 that closely duplicates a "real" gun, buy a Beretta 87 (not the 87 Target).  Beautifully made, accurate, and reliable. Any Mosquito or P22 owner would feel like a real sucker if they held a polish blue 87.  This one is on Gunsamerica for $375.

img267.imageshack.us/img267/7941/b871aw.jpg




Huge +1 on this. After having a Ruger and a Smith, both of which were jam-o-matics, I found the Beretta. It does not jam, it is easy to reassemble, and it is as accurate as I could hope for. Plus you can practice cocked and locked with it.
5/8/2006 6:20:06 PM EDT
[#20]
Lets keep it under $400.  I was trying to think which model beretta my brother has that I hate the trigger on it and it is the tomcat in .32.

I might look into the .22 conversion for my beretta 96.  I don't know how well they work or not.
5/8/2006 6:30:06 PM EDT
[#21]
I'm very happy with my Ruger 22/45, especially since I put a Red Dot sight on it (cannot remember the model).
5/8/2006 6:57:09 PM EDT
[#22]
I love my Buck Mark:
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/images/051399m.jpg
It's just a Great .22LR pistol.
5/8/2006 6:59:19 PM EDT
[#23]
you'll get all of them eventually
5/8/2006 7:43:36 PM EDT
[#24]
Get a Ruger single six.  Fun as hell fanning it.
5/8/2006 8:15:26 PM EDT
[#25]
Love my MarkII.




5/8/2006 8:58:58 PM EDT
[#26]
I would get an EAA Witness in 45ACP with the 22lr kit. For some reason you need looks over function as there is no gun better than the Ruger MK2 or Buckmark.
5/9/2006 8:38:18 AM EDT
[#27]
I have a Witness in .45 with the .22 conversion, and also have a Buckmark.  The Witness is fun to shoot, but is not as accurate as the Buckmark.  You can probably find a S&W 22-A for $200 or less if you shop around; that's pretty cheap for a new pistol, but I don't know anything about their accuracy or dependability.  But it's a S&W, so the warranty should be good.
5/9/2006 8:46:19 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
For some reason you need looks over function as there is no gun better than the Ruger MK2 or Buckmark.



+1 - My Buckmark is everything I hoped for and then some.  Get over the looks issue and buy the best.
5/9/2006 9:07:41 AM EDT
[#29]
Its not only the looks that I want but the feel and function related to full size frame autos.  I want something that is similar.

I am really looking into the beretta 22 conversion for my beretta 96.  At $279 off gunbroker it seems to be a good price but I have no idea how good they are.  I am trying to dig up some stuff on the web but having a hard time finding info on them.
5/9/2006 4:06:41 PM EDT
[#30]
Anyone tried the S&W 22A line of .22 pistols?  One of the local shops has a NIB 5.5" model with two magazines for $219 + tax.  I'm thinking of picking it up, but I haven't been able to find any info on the guns.
5/9/2006 4:51:52 PM EDT
[#31]
Well I took the plunge and ordered a 22 conversion kit for my beretta 96.  The only reviews I could find are actually those found on midwayusa product comments.

This should give me a better "quick point and shoot" feeling with my beretta without spending a fortune on .40 ammo.

5/9/2006 5:10:44 PM EDT
[#32]
Ive had alot of fun with any of the Ruger Mk series (II or III).  But my personal favorite is the colt huntsman. Sure it has an akward mag release and its been a pain to find reliable mags for. But its an antique and still shoots like a million dollars


Not mine, just ripped it from a google image search.


PJ
5/9/2006 5:23:55 PM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:
If you want a .22 that closely duplicates a "real" gun, buy a Beretta 87 (not the 87 Target).  Beautifully made, accurate, and reliable. Any Mosquito or P22 owner would feel like a real sucker if they held a polish blue 87.  This one is on Gunsamerica for $375.

img267.imageshack.us/img267/7941/b871aw.jpg



My experience with that gun was the complete opposite.  It didn't group, it patterned.  I tried just about every brand of .22 out there, and none would work reliably in the thing.  

It all comes down to what you want to do with it.  If you're looking to compete, punching teeny holes in paper, the the S&W 41, Pardini, etc are for you.  If it's for "normal" use (plinking, casual target practice, etc) you can't go wrong with the Ruger MkII or Buckmark.  I have two MkII's (a 5.5" bull barrel, and a 6 7/8" slabside) and a Buckmark 5.5 target.  As far as ergonomics I prefer the Buckmark (and it's more accurate too).  For the "built-tough" factor, you aren't going to beat a Ruger.   Period.

I have NO experience with the MkIII, only the MkII.  I don't like some of the "Improvements" of the MkIII, so I try to find LNIB MkII's and buy them

If you like Glocks, the Ruger will feel more "right".  If you like 1911's the Browning will feel "right".  If you like both, then get the Ruger and the Browning.



R
5/9/2006 7:03:45 PM EDT
[#34]
It does depend on what you want to do with it... But I'll put in a word for the p22.  A lot of people bash it, but with cci mini-mags mine is just as reliable as my 1911.  I can shoot cheap cci 500 bricks too and will jam a little more often, but nothing to get upset about.  My only complaint is that its a little small for my hands.  You could always take a trip to a range that lets you rent and try them out.  I shot a ruger and a buckmark too and liked them both; but its a totally different style.  They are more of target pistols, where as the p22 is like a smaller combat type.  I like the feel of the p22 better personally, although I'm not going to post the groups I can with a buckmark, at least not with the 3.5" barrel, never tried the 5".
5/9/2006 8:22:19 PM EDT
[#35]
Browning Buckmark. Sweet trigger and it doesn't have all the stupid safeties that the Mk III's got.
5/9/2006 8:23:05 PM EDT
[#36]
Damn. Double tap.
5/9/2006 10:32:09 PM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:
Browning Buckmark. Sweet trigger and it doesn't have all the stupid safeties that the Mk III's got.




It has a magazine safety.

The other "safeties" on the Ruger are so easy to ignore they might as well not exist.
5/9/2006 10:49:22 PM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:
Ive had alot of fun with any of the Ruger Mk series (II or III).  But my personal favorite is the colt huntsman. Sure it has an akward mag release and its been a pain to find reliable mags for. But its an antique and still shoots like a million dollars
www.euroarms.net/Mailing/MailingIMG/031027IMG/COLT-HUNT_A01.jpg

Not mine, just ripped it from a google image search.


PJ



Wouldn't you prefer the Colt Woodsman?



Personally, I'd say that, right now, the order would be (as far as the "preferred consumer-grade pistol to own" is concerned) I'd say:

- Colt Woodsman (1st Series Target)
- Hi-Standard Sports King (provided you can find good mags for it)
- Colt Huntsman
- Sig Trailside Target (can be had for about $400)

And, if you're going up in price a bit, throw a Kimber 1911 22LR conversion in there. Probably at #3.
- Ruger MkIII Hunter
5/18/2006 4:26:36 PM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:
I don't have anything to measure against, but I just got a ruger MkIII 22/45 target and couldn't be happier.  tough first dissasemble/dissassemble, but other than that she's great.



+1 on the Rugers. I have a Mk II 22/45 and put a Red Dot scope on and it hits whatever I point it at. (Mean lookin' gun, too... I oughta rent it to CSI for special effects!)
5/19/2006 4:35:28 AM EDT
[#40]
I got my .22 beretta conversion kit and I love it.  I put 400 rounds of remmington thunderbolt through it and not one FTF or FTE.  I did have 5 duds though of the ammo but the gun worked perfect and I didn't need "special" ammo.  Cheap "non-copper" plated ammo worked great.

$10 for 500 rounds ain't bad at the local Dick's store.
5/19/2006 7:11:51 AM EDT
[#41]
I'm gonna chime in for the Walther P22. As someone mentioned already, people love to bash it. However, I've read a lot of the problems have been solved in the newer generations. I've gotten an AF date coded pistol, with the A-coded mags, both of which are supposed to be "better". I've put a brick of Federal wally-world bulk through it. One FTE on the second mag, and nary a problem since, so I think Im gonna keep her.

I'd still love a Ruger MKII, though ^_^
5/19/2006 7:47:17 AM EDT
[#42]
the ruger mkIII hunter is getting rave reviews.  you get teh 22/45 lower, the hi viz front and a WICKED barrel.  I'm very hapy with mine, but that hunter just looks purty.