[ARCHIVED THREAD] - .40 cal. future (Page 1 of 5)
Posted: 8/20/2017 5:58:18 PM EDT
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It seems 9mm has obviously resurged, bigger than ever. .45 will always be around. .40 is cheaper than I've ever seen right now. I wonder if it will stick around with any popularity long term.
What once made the .40 popular has now been narrowed with ammo advancements. IMO What do you guys think? |
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You have people who will stick with 40 for several reasons... to expensive to buy a new firearm, believe it fits them better, believe it is better, and LE departments that already are committed. Who cares what caliber people choose all service caliber pistol rounds are pea shooters and suck for stopping power. I hope 40 sticks around and drops in price because options are great to have. Next panic 40 and 357 will be everywhere and 9 will be impossible to find. |
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You're not gonna get the limited guys to shoot production, so there's always that... 40 may be the unpopular cartridge these days, but it isn't going to die off completely. Too many guns out there. |
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The .40 will always be available, or available as long as we are still using brass cased handgun ammunition.
It takes a lot for a cartridge to actually go away. For example, the .41 Magnum is still here, though its original reason for being has been mostly forgotten. I still shoot my 9x23mm Winchester pistol, now there is an unsuccessful cartridge, at least in terms of sales. Cartridges some times even come back from the grave. Look at the .44-40, and .44 Russian, for example. You might not be able to shoot a .40 cheap in the future, but you will be able to shoot it. |
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I have both, .40 and 9MM CZ's. I regularly carry the .40 P07. I can't leave something that shoots groups like that with those kick ass 135 grain hollow points at home.
Thirteen rounds in a Compact is pretty darned good, in my opinion. And, I'm old enough to have been working, carrying, shooting the first time "they" said a 9MM was equal to a .45 acp. Back in the early 80's when the "new" bullets made the 9mm the best carry gun in the world. All the "science" proved it. Computer modeling, shooting bullets into clay/ballistic media, interviews with emergency room/trauma doctors. And I'm old enough to remember how that turned out and resulted in the 10mm and then the .40 S&W. Who knows. Maybe "they" got it right this time. At least they keep trying. |
| I live in the country with a lot of gun people. Most don't use the internet to search FBI testing of handgun rounds. They still think .45>.40>9mm. I feel this is probably common across the country. And I still carry my G23.4 most often because I feel it best suits my situation. |
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.40 is dying, it will end like the .41 and 10mm Quoted:
.40 is dying, it will end like the .41 and 10mm  The .41Mag, it's true, exists mostly as a nichey handgun hunting cartridge, but it ain't dead.
The 10mm AUTO is, and has been, clearly in resurgence, and is nowhere close to being dead. More guns are being chambered in 10mm today than ever before, and more ammo-makers are producing real (full-throttle) 10mm loads than ever before. ps... 6.8 spc is dying too... 
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The .40 will always be available, or available as long as we are still using brass cased handgun ammunition. It takes a lot for a cartridge to actually go away. For example, the .41 Magnum is still here, though its original reason for being has been mostly forgotten. I still shoot my 9x23mm Winchester pistol, now there is an unsuccessful cartridge, at least in terms of sales. Cartridges some times even come back from the grave. Look at the .44-40, and .44 Russian, for example. You might not be able to shoot a .40 cheap in the future, but you will be able to shoot it. |
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It's still the most popular LE pistol round in the U.S. I have no idea why people put so much credence in the recent FBI switch to 9 mm, nor why it's become so hip and trendy to talk about its demise while it is still in fact the most popular LE round.
The case simply holds more powder and it's a bigger diameter and heavier round. There is no .40 +P because it's essentially all +P. |
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I'm in my 40's, and don't know the story. Maybe I'm too young. What gives on the .41 mag? |
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It's still the most popular LE pistol round in the U.S. * * * The case simply holds more powder and it's a bigger diameter and heavier round. Quoted:
It's still the most popular LE pistol round in the U.S. * * * The case simply holds more powder and it's a bigger diameter and heavier round. The key selling point was that the new .40 cartridge took low-end 10mm-"stopping power" (initially, 180gns @ 980fps) and stuffed it into a 9mm-sized pistol with roughly the same mag capacity (12rds - 15rds) as a 9mm. There is no .40 +P because it's essentially all +P. That's also why most commercial ammo companies don't sell "hot-rodded" .40 ammo, despite what reloaders and some boutique ammo-makers try to achieve. |
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Back in 1964, the 41 Remington Mag was introduced as the "perfect" police/self-defense cartridge; the 357 was deemed by some (i.e. Elmer Keith & Bill Jordan) to be too weak and the 44 Remington Mag too much...the 41 fell in between and, oddly enough, had ballistics/energy similar to the 10mm which would be introduced about 20 years later. Quoted:
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I'm in my 40's, and don't know the story. Maybe I'm too young. What gives on the .41 mag? 10mm Auto had the same problem. Guns are too big. The .40 S&W has succeeded because it does the job in a 9mm size gun. |
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.40 S&W will cease to exist when companies stop making guns for it.Â
Today.... companies like Beretta, HK, and Sig are still designing new products in .40 and releasing them to market. If the .40 was dead then those companies wouldn't be wasting time and resources for a market that doesn't exist. |
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You're not gonna get the limited guys to shoot production, so there's always that... Enough manufacturers have already begun to curtail 40 cal offerings as it is and I don't see it getting better any time soon |
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If I were a betting man I'd wager uspsa will change the rules regarding minimum bullet diameter to qualify for limited major within a decade. I think they will have to begin at least allowing 9 major to qualify in order to stay a relevant division. Enough manufacturers have already begun to curtail 40 cal offerings as it is and I don't see it getting better any time soon Quoted:
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You're not gonna get the limited guys to shoot production, so there's always that... Enough manufacturers have already begun to curtail 40 cal offerings as it is and I don't see it getting better any time soon Sig, HK, and Beretta just released new models in .40 P320, APX, and the VP40 Steyr has their M and L series. CZ makes just about everything they have in a .40 also. |
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It's still the most popular LE pistol round in the U.S. I have no idea why people put so much credence in the recent FBI switch to 9 mm, nor why it's become so hip and trendy to talk about its demise while it is still in fact the most popular LE round. The case simply holds more powder and it's a bigger diameter and heavier round. There is no .40 +P because it's essentially all +P. |
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If I were a betting man I'd wager uspsa will change the rules regarding minimum bullet diameter to qualify for limited major within a decade. I think they will have to begin at least allowing 9 major to qualify in order to stay a relevant division. |
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LOL Sig, HK, and Beretta just released new models in .40 P320, APX, and the VP40 Steyr has their M and L series. CZ makes just about everything they have in a .40 also. And you can bet your ass nearly every single major manufacturer is producing less individual units chambered in 40 across the board. |
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It's still the most popular LE pistol round in the U.S. I have no idea why people put so much credence in the recent FBI switch to 9 mm, nor why it's become so hip and trendy to talk about its demise while it is still in fact the most popular LE round. The case simply holds more powder and it's a bigger diameter and heavier round. There is no .40 +P because it's essentially all +P. |
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What once made the .40 popular has now been narrowed with ammo advancements. IMO What do you guys think? I think looking at Federal website, they gave 40 and 45 HST the same ammo advancements as 9mm. Heavy for caliber HST in 9mm, 40 and 45 Heavy Clothing 9mm HST 147 gr. 12.5''/.69 40 HST 180 gr. 12.5''/.80 45 HST 230 gr. 13.5''/.87 |
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If 10mm hasn't died, 40 is not likely to die anytime soon. 
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NTSA You have people who will stick with 40 for several reasons... to expensive to buy a new firearm, believe it fits them better, believe it is better, and LE departments that already are committed. Who cares what caliber people choose all service caliber pistol rounds are pea shooters and suck for stopping power. I hope 40 sticks around and drops in price because options are great to have. Next panic 40 and 357 will be everywhere and 9 will be impossible to find. |