[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Open Carry (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/22/2017 3:55:01 PM EDT
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Now that we won...
Opinions on open carry (in states where it is legal). |
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It's sillier to use a card game as an analogy for self protection.
OP: Some people like it and some don't, however most are indifferent. Of the ones who are vehemently against it, you'll soon discover that all of them are so for entirely emotional reasons none of which is based in actual fact or data. They will post some silly reason they don't think it wise, but if challenged they will not and cannot back up their statements; sort of a drive-by posting. There's a whole essay over here on the topic of open carry. In the conclusion of the essay is: "The purpose of this essay is not to convince you to carry a firearm openly, but to merely point out the reasoning I used to determine that it is often the best option for me. If you think otherwise, please feel free to write an essay of your own outlining the reasoning you used." It's been eight years and nobody has. |
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Showing your hand in a card game is an excellent analogy for open carry. Some people just don't grasp the comparison and choose to be condescending instead.
A perp thinking about robbing a convenience store may decide not to follow through if they see a citizen inside the establishment carrying, essentially folding their pocket fives to the citizens pocket aces that he decided to show the table. On that same note, if the perp follows through anyway, your pocket aces will be the first to be targeted, especially if it's a group gig with 2 or more perps. Long story short, there are pros and cons. |
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It's comfortable It's certainly more comfortable. And you can wear an untucked shirt or light jacket over it for concealment. I tend to carry concealed so as not to draw attention to myself even though it's not to uncommon here in western Colorado. If I'm wearing open while at the range or hunting or such and go into town I don't worry about it. One of my good shooting buddies used to open carry all the time. He's an old Gunsite grad from back when Jeff Cooper ran things. He carried an old, blued 1911 in a black holster, with a black belt in black jeans. Add in a dark shirt and it was amazing how many people never even noticed he was packing. If anyone ever said anything it was always several minutes into the conversation. One time, at the café, he got up to leave and another patron noticed and asked another of our party "isn't that dangerous?" referring to a 1911 with the hammer cocked. He was asking a guy open carrying a Glock. 
Both were ready to rock of course but seeing a cocked hammer always makes people nervous. One more thing to keep in mind if you want to carry a 1911. It's perfectly safe, as we know, but most people don't understand the mechanics of guns and a cocked hammer worries them. |
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In Florida it is still not an option for most. It is only legal while Hunting, Fishing, Camping, target shooting, plus a couple more obscure exeption, and going to or from those activities. We hope to get open carry passed this year for CW&FL holders. It is pretty silly that I can be legal on the City fishing pier downtown Miami (No license needed) but I can't open carry while hiking in the Everglades.
If it passes I will still carry concealed most of the time but I would like to be able to open carry when I'm on horseback or hiking. Also technically now, if I stop for gas and Ice on the way to go fishing I'm in violation untill I leave the gas station, silly. |
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It is pretty FIFY Go on YouTube and there are many videos of bad guys waking in a store or similar and holding people at gunpoint, and a person carrying draws from concealment (with the element of surprise) and drops the hammer on them.. Why would you want to give up your best advantage? I don't get it... The "this is murica by gawd" argument for open carry is irrational. |
| I have done both, but I prefer to carry concealed. However I will say a few times I have been essentially thanked for OCing. A gas station attendant asked me once if I was .mil or LE. I responded that I was former .mil and he said it made him feel safer that there were good guys out there still carrying the tools needed to keep guys like him safe. I also got exceptional service at the grocery store when I was OCing once, lol. As for the comments about casting a negative light, it has more to do with how you carry yourself than how you carry a pistol. I am always respectful and typically dress well for a blue collar guy, and wear my hair short and beard trimmed. In short if you look like a respectable person, OCing wont seem as a alarming. |
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FIFY Go on YouTube and there are many videos of bad guys waking in a store or similar and holding people at gunpoint, and a person carrying draws from concealment (with the element of surprise) and drops the hammer on them.. Why would you want to give up your best advantage? I don't get it... The "this is murica by gawd" argument for open carry is irrational. And I have seen videos of perps running in to rob a gas station and not seeing the uniform cop standing at the coffee pot. You assume these dumb shits have even a shred of situational awareness. |
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FIFY Go on YouTube and there are many videos of bad guys waking in a store or similar and holding people at gunpoint, and a person carrying draws from concealment (with the element of surprise) and drops the hammer on them.. Why would you want to give up your best advantage? I don't get it... The "this is murica by gawd" argument for open carry is irrational. Quoted:
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It is pretty FIFY Go on YouTube and there are many videos of bad guys waking in a store or similar and holding people at gunpoint, and a person carrying draws from concealment (with the element of surprise) and drops the hammer on them.. Why would you want to give up your best advantage? I don't get it... The "this is murica by gawd" argument for open carry is irrational. Any videos of bad guys going into a store, seeing a good guy with a gun, then walking right on out again? |
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It is comfortable, easy to carry, but me personally I do not like the added attention form those who notice. I have OC-ed a few times since Texas started it but I hate people asking me questions or paying attention to me because I have a gun(I call it the OH NOS factor). I prefer CC and carry CC daily.
I like OC because if my shirt snags on the pistol grip or I bend over and flash I have nothing to worry about other than that it is not for me. |
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I would rather people conceal them. You wouldn't believe the number of calls we receive because someone is carrying open. I also feel the element of surprise is a plus if you are in a situation where action may be necessary.
Wife and I were at one of our local groceries during the holidays. Standing in front of us was a guy open carrying what looked to be an older S&W semi auto in an open top Kydex holster with no type of retention other than the tightness of the holster. I thought to myself I could take that away very easy especially being behind him. I didn't of course. If you are going to open carry at least use a good quality holster with good retention system. Just my two cents worth.................... |
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This is what I think of when you mention open carry: http://www.nevadacarry.org/uploads/5/4/2/6/54262223/7319371_orig.jpg What we need to see is more of this: http://217.218.67.233/photo/20160101/982d6795-d815-439d-9ae6-a13d6b4315fb.jpg She needs some retention. |
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We've had it here in Texas for just over a year. No blood in the streets or shoot-outs at high noon. I see some people OC from time to time however I've never seen OC at predominantly family oriented places.
For me, usually wear my G43 or G19 in a OWB holster, but since I'm retired I seldom tuck my shirt so it's always covered. I just don't worry about it. If it does get exposed and spotted (never has) I'm perfectly legal as long as where I'm at hasn't posted a 30.07 (no open carry) sign. I'm not sure I'd be comfortable carrying it in plain view while shopping at the local Krogers. Element of surprise not withstanding, I don't need nor want the attention that might bring. |
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This is what I think of when you mention open carry: http://www.nevadacarry.org/uploads/5/4/2/6/54262223/7319371_orig.jpg What we need to see is more of this: http://217.218.67.233/photo/20160101/982d6795-d815-439d-9ae6-a13d6b4315fb.jpg She needs some retention. And those fucktards need to stay home and play CoD. Yeah, not only do I not want to draw attention to myself when I'm carrying a weapon, but using a proper level III holster ain't the most comfortable setup in the world. |
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Ace in the hole means a better outcome for me. Showing it brings problems. Can't hit on and pick up a girl when open carry. Dont tell Arizona women! Â I open carried on my first "date" with my wife. Â That said, I don't think I had a gun on when we met the first time. Its fairly normal here though. |
| In GA we've had open carry for quite a while and most people still choose to carry concealed as do I. I do notice that almost every person I see open carrying has a sock for a holster that's flopping around on a walmart belt like a fish out of water. Let's you know their competency or level of training right away. |
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Now that we won... Opinions on open carry (in states where it is legal). I like having it, but don't personally do it other than at home or at the range. Â Â For me Open Carry means that I DGAF if my gun prints a little or if my cover garment gets out of position since it's legal either way. Â Â |
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Open carry is silly; it's not Wild West when gun fighter will face you in fair shootout, criminal will try take you first knowing you are armed.
You have more chance carrying conceal. When there was open carry in Nebraska I never did(only in the car), cops would harass you if a shirt even slightly cover or could cover the gun, same in car if the gun slipped under stuff on the sit |
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Open carry is silly; it's not Wild West when gun fighter will face you in fair shootout, criminal will try take you first knowing you are armed. You have more chance carrying conceal. When there was open carry in Nebraska I never did(only in the car), cops would harass you if a shirt even slightly cover or could cover the gun, same in car if the gun slipped under stuff on the sit What about hiking and and it's more comfortable? |
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Open carry is silly; it's not Wild West when gun fighter will face you in fair shootout, criminal will try take you first knowing you are armed. You have more chance carrying conceal. When there was open carry in Nebraska I never did(only in the car), cops would harass you if a shirt even slightly cover or could cover the gun, same in car if the gun slipped under stuff on the sit What about hiking and and it's more comfortable? NO one hikes in Nebraska. |
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Open carry is silly; it's not Wild West when gun fighter will face you in fair shootout, criminal will try take you first knowing you are armed. You have more chance carrying conceal. When there was open carry in Nebraska I never did(only in the car), cops would harass you if a shirt even slightly cover or could cover the gun, same in car if the gun slipped under stuff on the sit What about hiking and and it's more comfortable? NO one hikes in Nebraska. Ha! I've hiked in Nebraska at various places off the Oregon Trail. I was the only person around though lol. |
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There is a common denominator to the guys who open carry here. Gun store clerks, 5'10" or taller, wear close beards, carry double stack polymer 9's but NOT Glocks in nylon holsters. They also work on their own cars. They do not wear glasses.
I am not any of the above, and I've noticed that there are those who tend to jokingly intimidate or jock around with others who don't meet their expectations of being a gun carrier. They make fun of them and have no respect. I fit that category, nobody knows I was MP, served in GTMO, shoot expert, or carry, either. It solves all the problems of the loud brash shooters who think they need to dominate every square inch around them while they inhabit the earth. Suits me fine, they are a good distraction and even cover should I need to pull mine.  OC is a good thing now.
No that wasn't a misspelling. JOCK, not joke. People are still just as bad as they were in High School with or without a gun on their hip. No sense giving them incentive to prove it. |
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Open carry is silly; it's not Wild West when gun fighter will face you in fair shootout, criminal will try take you first knowing you are armed. You have more chance carrying conceal. When there was open carry in Nebraska I never did(only in the car), cops would harass you if a shirt even slightly cover or could cover the gun, same in car if the gun slipped under stuff on the sit What do you mean "when there was open carry"? Is it no longer legal in Nebraska? |
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I'll be the first person to argue for your right to open carry, I'll also be the first person to argue how STUPID it is!
It screams "look at me" I always have a gun on, a full sized pistol (FN FiveseveN) and it's always well concealed. Same as anything else, you need to practice, practice, practice drawing your weapon from concealment. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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